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Another that seems to be lost on the USA is that Europe has HUGELY embraced the "GREEN" energy generation and is now deep in the throes of financial CRISIS !!! Got to love this brave new world !! :surprise: ?
We, of course might well see (policy point of view) the always there oil/natural gas/ coal richness as the new (BLACK) WORLD GOLD standard (nuclear also if it comes back in favor in the next 50 years) . We have it in figurative, literal and overwhelming spades !! So we are enforcing a "scary" movie phase !!
One spin off question might be would one rather sell it for a HIGHER or lower price/profit?
To think that one can literally set up shop in close proximity to what algae needs to convert its raw materials to a gal of R 100, simply contradicts the scarcity narrative. It "drills holes " in the old model of having to drill a lot of empty holes in the ground and in the sea, in places one would rather not BE.
The above might not be directly related to diesels.
By 94 months, many cars have depreciated horribly. Might make leasing at half the loan price look more attractive.
Make sure it's a "diesel pusher". And I'm not talking about Ruking1 or Gagrice. :shades:
In the final quarter of 2012, the average term of a new car note stretched out to 65 months, the longest ever, according to Experian Information Solutions Inc. Experian said that 17% of all new car loans in the past quarter were between 73 and 84 months and there were even a few as long as 97 months. Four years ago, only 11% of loans fell into this category.
Such long term loans can present consumers and lenders with heightened risk. With a six- or seven-year loan, it takes car-buyers longer to reach the point where they owe less on the car than it is worth. Having “negative equity” or being “upside down” in a car makes it harder to trade or sell the vehicle if the owner can’t make payments.
If a borrower needs an interest-only adjustable-rate mortgage to get into a house, they almost certainly shouldn’t get the house. If a car buyer needs an eight-year payment plan to pay off a new car, they probably shouldn’t get a new car. That lenders are financing these deals is not a good sign.
That consumers need them is a worse one.
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In one of its latest video sessions, MotorTrend has pitted the 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit 4x4 EcoDiesel (rated for 240 hp and 420 lb-ft), to give its full name, against one of its rivals, the Volkswagen Touareg, featuring a three-liter diesel, with very similar power and torque figures.
The vehicles are put through their paces on a variety of road surfaces, and their off-road capability, maneuverability and engines are evaluated, along with all the other usual tests (ride, interior quality, looks and value).
http://www.carscoops.com/2013/04/mt-pits-all-new-2014-jeep-grand.html
Thank you. The other truth is it is a HOOT to drive (for a CUV). The 32 mpg (vs 20 mpg on Acura MDX, same trip) is merely icing on the cake. The truth again is I suspect the VW Touareg gasser and certainly the MDX is also fun to drive as are others in this segment. Not too bad for a 10 year old design EH? It also meets the State's chain control regulations driving in the mountains during inclement weather.
If I were a Chysler TDI buyer, I would ask why is this TDI product only "SLIGHTLY" ahead after a 10-15 year FREE look at the market segment ??? Having asked that, I am sure it is an exciting new product offering !! (albeit, pricey) :shades:
I did indeed chose the "SPORT" version. In light of the diesel's drive train (TDI engine, 8 speed A/T, and suspension, there is precious little I wanted and still want and willing to pay for in the LUX and EXEC versions. Would I take either given the same price as the SPORT? Ah ....Maybe.... In fact, I am led to believe in reading other Touareg threads, I have dodged a few bullets by getting the Sport instead of either the Lux or Exec versions.
Not to stir the pot and I fully understand (dressing in flame suit now) that Porsche and/or Audi purists are LOATHED to admit, that the segment and model variants of the VW Touareg are in many ways responsible for THEIR continued success. It also has been so for over a decade.
that's not an easy drive for a 4 cylinder diesel car.
I had an interesting wake up call on the UPGRADE portion in SAC, as I was passing a fully loaded tractor trailer. JUST as I was alongside but ALMOST past the tractor trailer rig, his left rear tire (last part of his trailer) EXPLODED with chunks of rubber flying like shrapnel and LONG pieces of tread contrails littering the road. I think the conversation would be FAR different if I was going slower than he. :lemon:
I consider that a big bonus with VW Touareg TDI. You can get the basic diesel package without buying a lot of foo foo, if you so desire. The Sport offers the better wheels and tires that I would want. By going to the Lux you are stuck with low profile 20" wheels and tires. Not sure why they all seem to make it difficult to get what you want.
And perhaps the best part is..because a diesel runs so efficiently from the get-go..it is far better able to deal with turbo heat..a gas engine's (longevity) killer..
I won't go there, but I suspect i know why you probably have that caveat..
Oh I think you misunderstood my message.
Ya, I mighta..
Ya know when you first said that you get a dash light on those upgrade climbs, at first I thought maybe super hot exhaust manifold temps was behind it..
Have you had any experience with the turbo'd version of your car? If so...would you say the best combo is turbo'd or blown? All things being equal, turbo is freer than a blower..
I'm guessing that to exploit the supercharged effect best, you short shift, eh?
The reason I like turbo diesels with automatic is that it's often a waste of time to rev a diesel up past it's most efficient RPM. Most people don't really understand that, so I think they waste a lot of fuel trying to make a diesel do what it doesn't like doing.
I would "short shift" a diesel but I bury the needle in the MINI--it seems responsive all the way up.
Actually I do short shift the MINI--I take that back--in that I often skip all those 6 gears...in city driving I do 1st, 3rd and 5th--that's it.
I would "short shift" a diesel but I bury the needle in the MINI--it seems responsive all the way up."...
Those that know diesels or the differences between most diesels and gassers would probably agree that is one key practical difference between the two. Indeed, I think this is where a lot of "gasser switchers" have WAY too much room for disappointment: expecting one to be/ behave (exactly) like the other, etc.. Then of course those same folks (surprise surprise) are somewhat to VERY disappointed when they are NOT the same. :sick: This difference in effect "TRIGGERS" a whole series of "subtle" and not so subtle different ways of driving. My advice would be to figure out in advance of purchase, the level of satisfaction or lack there of.
The differences between A/T (slush box 3/4/5/6/7/8/ speed) and DSG's (6/7/8 speed and 5/6/7 speed M/T's are truly another.
Somewhat off topic, but related : GM has figured out they need to invest in more updated transmissions as covered in the WSJ. Specifically mentioned are 8 speed slush boxes, as built and or licensed by ZF. In 2007, a scant 5 (could be light) years ago? GM sold Allison Transmission to private equity.
But I can see why autos are popular still with a turbo because the torque convertors allows them to stay on progressive boost between cogs.
If I were to speculate on what keeps modern day autos from being even more highly regarded than they already are...it is their never ending attempts to make them read your mind. They think they know what you want but of course that fuzzy logic only can go so far...hell..a lot of drivers themselves don't know what they want, so how can any auto tranny derive enough info and process fast enough to actually improve the experience?
Just recently I was reading about...something...I think it mighta been a 2013 V6 Accord, and the poster said that he couldn't just let off the gas a hair at 40-45 mph and coast it down a bit (picture a slowdown you can see coming up on a freeway congestion..or in town..and you're watching waiting for the light up ahead to go green) without the tranny downshifting a gear! And if I were to speculate why, I'm guessing that the ECU's involved, (after deciding that the driver wanted to slow down more than just 1/2 mph) downshifted the tran because I suspect that in terms of trans wear and tear, it is easier on a trans downshifting into a cog under slight deceleration, than upshifting under pressure/demand of acceleration. So the tran thinks that if it has already chosen that one lower cog, then is ready to give go squarely in that gear if the driver decides to re-accelerate again...typical of the two examples I gave above..traffic starts to flow again..or light turned green.
The reason they can algorithm a tranny this way these days is cuz they have a lot more ratios to choose from. With a 4 speed, there would be a lot more shock involved if it lowered a cog as sensitive to deceleration under similar circumstances. And of course for accelerating..with the 4 speed it only has so many ratios to pick from so is probably already in that gear to re-accelerate....the variances being taken up in a slipping torque converter.
While I am not a DCT fan yet, (just too much reliance on artificial devices to get the cog changes done..but if I lose the use of my left leg though, there is better potential for me to be a fan) I believe that for these reasons I describe above they can make cars like a Fiesta still get better mpg with the auto than the stick. They both have 6 speeds, and unlike many examples of an auto vs stick, they both share similar final drive ratios and cog ratios. The difference in economy potential then boils down to the lack of parasitic losses in the DCT during those times between cogs that the 'torque converter' (cuz it isn't one..it's a clutch) isn't allowing any slip (slip being lost fuel economy potential) between those cogs 2 thru 5 in those 2 driving examples above.
Interesting about the pulley reduction mod..makes sense to me.
So what FE are you getting with the premium dependent little bugger?
And what is the FE of them when BMW decided best to turbo them instead?
The environmental car ranking, published annually, is based on a dozen criteria, including fuel consumption, pollutant emissions, manufacturing, recycling and the environmental systems of the manufacturer.
This is the second straight year the ML 250 BlueTec 4Matic has earned the top spot for an SUV, for its energy efficient direct-injection, turbocharged, four-cylinder, 204-horsepower diesel engine. It can accelerate from 0-60 mph in nine seconds and get 40 miles per gallon while emitting just 158 g/km of CO2 (combined). It has a range of just over 1,000 miles.
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/12/30/mercedes-benz-m-class-b-class-named-most-en- vironmentally-frien/
..."1000 miles on a tank full of Diesel is my idea of good range. "...
This might be WAY TMI, but unless the VW T TDI tank (26.4 gals) is @ 1/4th of a tank or below, I don't even look to take on fuel for that (SOS/DD) 210 miles one way trip at home. Diesel is normally cheaper almost anywhere else than the closest and cheapest diesel station near my house. It is as much as minus- .38 cents cheaper in NV cities, rural NV areas being CHEAPER still (up to minus- .57 cents). If I start with a 1/2 tank (13.2 gal) or more, I can do a R/T without taking on fuel. The flexibility and opportunity cost of only 800 miles is not only cool but up to .38 cents (.57) cheaper per gal can be $10 ($15.) bux cheaper per fill.
Over (a year's time aka) 15,000 miles, ( US drivers AVG mileage) the costs can be as much as MINUS- $288. CHEAPER.
"They" say that combined mpg with the turbo version is 28, but I can't imagine that unless you drive very conservatively---which is definitely not me. :P
So if they rate the turbos at 28 mixed, it sound to me that if it was driven similarly to the way you drive yours, they couldn't match your 26. And that is surprising because the one thing turbos have going for them that blowers don't, is they don't tap engine power reserves to spool.
I admit I am darn curious to drive a MINI. I have still never tried the new ones. Could you get the AWD with the blower? How many years ago...or rather, what were the years that blowers were used? I think the AWD's came along after only when they had switched to turbos if I recall.
This may sound good at first...but there's something here I'm just not understanding...or maybe I should say, not buying..I find it hard to believe that there could be so much variance in tolerances and operation from one injector to another. And all other ICE aspects being equal, isn't the idea of a well designed/tuned and balanced engine design ensure that all cylinders and pistons do equal work? With today's tech, we basically have smoothed and polished and use deliberate measures to ensure all tracks are sized to length with intake and exhaust manifold design right from the factory...all in the effort to create equal flow both in and out.
If I'm interpreting what Volvo is trying to say here, is they are suggesting that one piston is/could be actually doing more work than the one beside it, and their electrification tech would help balance the load. What a load of rubbish..someone enlighten me maybe??
This is not to add to, take away, justify, etc. the article, nor offer a criticism to your response: but it is absolutely true there is SO very much variance from one injector to another, IF optimization is the goal. Indeed some of the coating technology is in problem solving application to the "poor US D2 fuel issue", I believe YOU and other have highlighted. So much so that Bosio ( 1927 Italian injector company) is emerging as almost a "go to" aftermarket company for diesel fuel injectors.
On a more gross or macro level, I can literally "wake up" any to all 3 diesels, just with an injector swap (well 4 actually 6 on the VW T) and calibrations and keep the mpg pretty close to the same, unless I really use (get on) it, the extra torque producing capacity. On two of them, I will be moderately to severely overreaching the transmissions safety zone. This will also probably apply, at that power upgrade to the suspension systems, tires and brakes.
So for example on a 90 hp/155 # ft of torque 03 TDI, JUST with so called slightly bigger nozzles (PP-520's, aka .184 stock to .205 ), they (stage one) will push hp to 100 hp- 140 hp. Maintaining the same ratios, that will put torque @ 172 # ft -240 # ft. Then as the logic goes, IF I am going to increase the structural output capacity, I might as well chip it to further (again) optimize. This will put a so called "upgrade clutch" to being marginal, AGAIN. In addition to the extra power, as a min, I would need to make 5th gear higher or optimally( again) drop in a 6 speed manual. My goal is 400k Plus miles from the (current) clutch, so I am doing none of the above... SOON anyway.
So it sounds like some interesting tech to follow. That said though, it does seem a bit ironic that a car company who has always had a fair degree of challenges when it comes to down-the-road wiring/electronics longevity/issues, would discover electronics on this level before certain other competitors.
But as you can probably glean, TDI's have a modularity or "Leggo" ness that gassers do not.
Volvo does have a lot of experience with diesel trucks, heavy equipment and marine engines.
It would appear that Geely sees its future going forward in diesels.
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I sorta know why you say that, but really...when I want to see a more accurate indicator of what a vehicle gets, I check EPA. Annually I get the Cdn guide, but moreso because it has so much other info like reg vs premium gas, who offers a diesel option, # of tran speeds, type of tran, size and config of cyl etc etc. You would think they would have a column showing whether a turbo or not, especially since there are more and more examples where you can't use the octane of fuel used or the greater consumption figures as a clue.
But hell...they hire anyone now I guess...not only were the guides FOUR months late! (and still doesn't show the newest Mazda6 available or the Jeep GC diesel).. they managed to get it stapled together inside out/ upside down with French covers for English and vise versa..
Anyway, our guides are wildly optimistic, barely more accurate than they were 10 years ago. And inside, they announce they will finally be adopting 5 cycle testing.."5 cycle testing will be implemented by 2015". :roll eyes: why wait Cda? What's the big deal...get off your butts and do it next year?? Idiots..
It also says this:
"CAUTION ON USING U.S. FUEL ECONOMY DATA
Fuel consumption ratings in Canada (expressed in litres per 100 kms or miles per imperial gallon, differ significantly from fuel economy ratings in the USA. The U.S. fuel economy ratings are based on 5-cycle testing procedures, are listed in miles per U.S. gallon (well DUHHH) and reflect U.S. sales and adjustment factors."
Idiots... since it isn't rocket science that a 3.785 litre gallon will show fewer mpg than a 4.546 litre gallon, why don't they actually TELL us something we don't know...like... exactly what these sales and adjustment factors are, and why are they any different? And in saying that, I get that a car driven in summer temps year round will probably post better figures than one driven in 8 months of winter, even with A/C use, but what is ridiculous is border towns. In Niagara Falls ON you get the Cdn Guide (optimistic..and wildly in some cases) and across the river a few hundred feet away, sits Buffalo, NY with their EPA guide. Each other's weather and seasons are identical.
But here is a random example and at least they got it fairly close as per ruking1's results: 2013 VW Touareg 10.8/6.7 (26/42 mpg) They don't do combined anymore because no ones combined is going to be the same anyway. Much better to let the consumer estimate their own percentage and do the math. Someone commuting the 401 in TO, 5 days a week, sure knows that their weekly average doing that is gonna pale in comparison to what they would get doing the 400 NB to the cottage on the w/e...err...well once it opens up and doesn't look like the 401..
But we know that ruking's most common mpg is 32. Real world. And our guide suggests 42 hwy. EPA says 20/29. So 29 x 20% = 34.8. His 32 x 20% = 38.4. That is getting pretty close to the 42 in our guide. Given his description and the aggression with which his trip is done (pretty aggressive freeway speeds on the upgrade, and assumedly similar but easy miles downgrade) I could easily see getting over 42 on a run into town with his rig here. Speeds never much go over 55 to 60.
I have been debating how I could rationalize springing for the base base diesel Touareg, but the MB 250 would have plenty of power and be considerably more efficient still. Problem is though, being a MB, it'll probably not be much fewer $ than the V6 VW T..
I'd've our numbers are closer to the numbers used for the US CAFE calculations, and yes for normal gas engines are widely optimistic ( though on most of my cars I have managed to beat even our numbers without too much effort). My diesel smart easily meets or exceeds the transport Canada numbers and I do not even try, just drive it normally with the flow of traffic, so I think for diesels they are much closer as you pointed out for Rucking's touareg. my matrix on the other hand is very difficult if not impossible to get the transport Canada numbers for ( I'll have to actually drive it slow to see how I do, but unlike the Mazda3 I used to own and managed to beat the transport Canada numbers with, just by driving no faster than 110 km/hr, the Matrix seems like it will be a bit harder.
I was off internet due to structural interior massive cabling signal failure and subsequent re configuration (upgrade). Advertised speeds are now being met. Glad to be back, albeit FAR faster now.