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Sorry I've been gone so long, things have been a bit crazy lately with work, school and all. Hope you all have been havin' fun doing what all serious Jeep owners should do....gettin' that thing dirty ;-)
I'm still Jeepless in St. Lou, but the dream keeps on goin'. Hey there to Saharagal, TexasJeep, Tsjay, BamaTazz and the rest of the Mud Hole Gang. I really miss our chats come back for a visit this weekend.
Just got the 2002 brochure today. I'm trying not to grip it too tight...don't want to mess up those nice pictures. :-)
Have a question for you all...Dana 44, it that more for off roading or to give a nicer ride on road?
Well, getting a little tired, it's been a long week. Have a great and safe weekend and remember......
Hug your Jeeps for me today :-)
Dwrangler
Happy Jeepin'
I've been really inactive for awhile now - it's back to school time, and we're pretty swamped (I sell lunchboxes!). As a result I haven't been able to check the board at all. BUT - I do have some info to share and a question.
Got my second oil change the other day, and went with Pennzoil 10w-30 Synthetic Blend. I didn't even know you could get a blend until I went to the auto parts place. It's more expensive than conventional but not as pricey as fully synthetic, which I found runs about $4.50 per quart (that equates to $22.50 for 5 quarts to fill a Wrangler, not including the filter and the labor!) So I went with the blend at about $1.50 per quart - so far I am experiencing better mileage, maybe 1-1.5 MPG better. I decided I want to learn to change my own oil and filter so I can afford to put fully synthetic in from now on. Anyone know where I can find out how to do this? The only other option is going to tsjay's mechanic in Ken-tucky who does it for something like $6 or $7 when he supplies the oil and filter. My guy charges $15 for the same thing, so basically I'd be spending over $40 per oil change if I went full synthetic, hence my desire to learn to do it myself. Any info would be greatly appreciated, and it might be a good idea to also email it to me at mike@lunchboxshop.com, since I don't know when I'll have time to check the board again! I do think about you all all the time, and I'll be more active after back-to-school season!
yellowman
If I were you, I would think of some other way to save money rather than by doing my own oil changes.
If you don't know how to change your oil, it's pretty obvious that you are not exactly a master mechanic. Now that's not a knock against you, my friend: I am NOT a mechanic either.
Back when the earth's crust had still not cooled, I used to change my own oil and did my own tune-ups. I could change points, plugs, and condenser, adjust timing and carbuerator, etc. That was common back then for people to do a lot of their own maintenance.
If you go with synthetic oil, you ought to be able to go at least 5000 miles between changes, so I would guess that you wouldn't have your oil changed more than three or four times a year, right?
If they charge you $15 labor, you will only spend $45 or $60 per year more than you would by doing it yourself. For that $15 extra per oil change, you are getting a lube job and all your fluids topped off and lots of things checked that you probably wouldn't think of yourself.
You won't have to worry about disposing of the used oil and filter by letting someone else do the work, and you won't have to go buy a grease gun and grease cartridges.
Just my two cents worth, Mike. I have a great deal with that Chevy dealer doing the work for only $5.95 when I bring my own oil and filter, but I would still let someone else do it, even for an extra $15 or so.
I think there are better ways to save money, but that's just my opinion.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
First, how to do it. Go to a good auto parts store and get quality drain pan. One that you can close up tight to take to the recycling center, if your community has one. Most quick change shops will take your old oil as well. Find one before you do anything. Also buy a good set of combination open/boxed wrenches or a good socket set. Can't go wrong with Crafstmen from Sears.
While at the auto parts store find the replacement filter for your Jeep. Then look for a filter wrench that fits. These look like a round, black jar top with a square hole in it. Also buy a funnel and your oil and some oil-dry. Ask for help if you can't find it.
Now to change your oil park the Jeep on a level surface. Put on the parking brake and put 2x4's or bricks or something to block the wheels on both sides of the rear tires. The engine should be warm, not hot, when you change the oil. You should not need to jack it up, I'm 6' 2", 260 and have no problem under my Jeep. The Neon's another story. Put some old newspapers or a large piece of cardboard under the engine area. Put the drain pan on the paper/cardboard. Crawl under the front of the vehicle and look for the oil pan. Mine (4.0L) has an X on it. It's located just about at the back of the front tires, centered. Towards the back you'll find a part that dips down and on the back side of this is the drain plug. Find the wrench or socket that fits tightly. Remember "righty/tighty, lefty/loosey". Don't drop the drain plug into the drain pan. You will get oil on your hands so have a rag handy. MAKE SURE THE DRAIN PAN IS UNDER THE DRAIN PLUG. THE OIL WILL COME OUT FAST AT FIRST AND BE AIMED TO THE REAR, THEN WILL DRAIN MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT. You want the oil in the pan, not on the driveway or on the ground. If you miss put the Oil-dry on it right away
Let the oil drain until it is just coming out in drips. It will drip like this for hours so you decide when to replace the drain plug. Tighten it snugly, but don't overtighten it.
Now you need to remove the filter. ALWAYS CHANGE THE FILTER WHEN YOU CHANGE THE OIL. No matter what anyone tells you. The filter is on the passenger side of the drain pan, a foot or so ahead of the drain plug and up above. Move the drain pan forward so that it is under the the filter. Find the filter wrench you bought and slip it onto the old filter. If you bought the socket set you can use this to remove the old filter. You'll need to turn it counterclockwise to remove it. ITS FULL OF OIL. Lower on to the drain pan and let it drain out. Use the rag to wipe off any oil that got on the vehicle.
Dip you finger into the new oil and and rub this clean oil on the rubber gasket of the new filter. Now install the new filter. Don't use the wrench. This needs to be hand tight only. Twist it as far as you can with one hand.
MAKE SURE THE DRAIN PLUG AND NEW FILTER ARE IN PLACE. CHECK AGAIN. If you loose all of the oil while driving it'll be the most expensive oil change you ever had.
Now you need to add the new oil. Open the hood and find the oil filler cap. It should have the little oil lamp icon on it. Use your owner's manual to see where it is located on the engine. Remove the oil filler cap and place the funnel in the opening. Check the owner's manual to see how much oil to add. Replace the oil filler cap and wipe up any oil that might have spilled. Close the hood. Remove the wheel blocks and back the Jeep up so you can get to the drain pan. While the Jeep is running, and in Park, look under the vehicle, from the side, and be sure there are no oil leaks.
Take the used oil and filter to your recycling location.
When you are under the Jeep take the time to look around for anything that doesn't look right. You can often spot problems before they get serious
When should I do my 1st oil change then?
3000 miles or at 5000?
i am at 2500 now...
Hey guys lets get posting again!!
we are all getting lazy...Spemding too much time in our jeeps..hey I understand!!
well FOOTBALL season is here..About to watch my Crimson Tide take on those UCLA Bruins..
(whats a bruin anyway)...take care
all
and ROLLLL TIDE!!
BamaTazz
I've heard a lot of claims for the synethic motor oils but nothing beats changing oil on a regular basis. The motors today are running cleaner due to unleaded gas and fuel injection so the oil will stay cleaner but regardless of what type of oil you are using the oil will still pick up unburned fuel, acids and byproducts from combustion. The oil is contaminated and an oil filter will only strain out particles not the chemicals. The only way to remove the contanination is to change the oil. So change your oil frequently.
http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/01september/2002Jeep/2002_wrangler.asp
But if thats the point if you have cleaner fuel..the opposite should be true
dont change your oil as often....
any other comments?
yellowman
The cold flow characteristics of full synthetic oils are MUCH better than those for dino oil, so it is logical to assume that a great deal of engine wear can be avoided by using full synthetic oil and getting the oil circulating sooner.
I had some engine noise for the first few seconds on my 1994 Z28 on cold starts. As soon as I switched to Mobil 1 from regular oil, the noise was MUCH less on cold starts, and the noise did not last nearly as long.
Maybe some other full synthetics are just a good as Mobil 1, but it is the one that I have experience with. I am very happy with it.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Both are good arguments. I guess if I only change the oil every 5,000 miles, then the extra cost of having the mechanic do it would be worth it. But I do a lot of stop-and-go driving and regular trips under 10 miles, so I was going to follow the change-oil-every-3000 miles plan. Should I still do this if I'm using full synthetic? If I can go 5,000 with the Synthetic AND the stop-and-go driving, then I think I'll go with the mechanic oil change. If I should stick to the 3,000 mile interval, then I may learn to do it on my own. Any thoughts?
yellowman
used velcro to mount 1 inch poly tweaters on the top edge of the dash in the corners by the a pillar (windshield).
the replacement speaks were new from crutchfield and the tweats were from there about 6 years ago.
now have all the highs I need and then some. can back of the treble and now push the bass. sounds great. I should mention I have the factory center console sub. without it, I think the bottom would be a little weak, and would try the bigger speaks in the bar if not too hard.
Now davidb72, I'm talking to you! The third stop light (CHMSL) is there to keep those tailgaters who want to get a real good look at your cool ride from getting an inside view. Put it back on. You might save somebody's life...maybe even your own.
Now, if you are going to go with 3K intervals, I wonder if the full synthetic is necessary? Maybe that blend is what you should use?
Help us here, someone. I think either the full synthetic or the blend would be better for the engine than regular oil, even with the 3K interval, wouldn't it? I know I got quieter cold starts after changing to synthetic on that Z28 several years ago. I had some lifter noise before changing to synthetic.
I see lots of yellow Jeeps around here, Mike. I can believe that it is the most popular color.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
self or shop - I change my own oil unless the vehicle is going to be in for some other kind of service. Even on our most difficult car, I can do it in under 30 min, including cleanup. I pour the used oil into some gallon jugs until I have a few to take back to the recycle center. Being under the car every couple of months has allowed me to catch things that would have been worse if not spotted early.
interval - I ususally do an "early" change at 1500 or 2000 miles when the vehicle is new to get rid of any metal filings that show up as the engine is breaking in. After the first time, I change my oil and filter every 3000 miles.
synthetic or dino oil - I use Mobil 1 full synthetic after the first 5000 miles. I intend to keep my cars for 200k miles and the additional cost of using synthetic is partly a "peace of mind" thing for me. A side benefit I have found is that synthetic oil gives a slight MPG boost as well. In my Explorer, it is significant enough to offset the higher cost of the oil. The "real" reasons for synthetic (better flow, lower deposits, higher resistance to breakdown) are "generally" accepted by those that have taken the time to conduct the tests. An interesting read on oils( http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-overview.html ). Bottom line for me is that it costs an extra $20 every oil change ($15 extra cost for oil, $5 more for a premiuim filter (K&N oor Mobil 1). This works out an extra $100-160 per year depending on how much driving I do. For a $20k vehicle, this seems reasonable to me. I have never had a mechanical issue with an engine based on wear. Although that's my experience, if you're good about changing your oil and filter every 3k miles, any decent name brand oil should be fine.
-twylie
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I just want basic info...when should I 3000mi or 5000 mi.. 3000is what i've always done with other vehicles..
never had a problem..I dont have time to do it myself..i work 6 days a week..plus I have 2 small kids to entertain..
and I cant affford $50 to change my oil..no way
whew..i didnt know this was so complicating..I need to go back to riding a bicycle..
Keep Jeepin
Bamatazz
> ok...I get it...they are some oil purist out
> there..only get syn oil...change it every
> 3000mi on the dot..only change it on tues...you
> get the idea..
> I just want basic info...when should I 3000mi
> or 5000 mi.. 3000is what i've always done with
> other vehicles..
> never had a problem..I dont have time to do it
> myself..i work 6 days a week..plus I have 2
> small kids to entertain..
> and I cant affford $50 to change my oil..no way
> whew..i didnt know this was so complicating..I
> need to go back to riding a bicycle..
I'd still recommend sticking with the 3,000 mile interval. It sounds like you're not putting that many miles on Tazz so I'm guessing it's around town fun or running errand miles (as opposed to longer distance commuting miles). The owners manual implies that if you do any of the following: stop and go, short trips, dusty conditions, etc. you fall into the "severe duty" category which equalls 3k between changes. My dealer isn't as cheap as Tom's but he only charges me $9 if I bring my oil and filter and have him do the labor.
My Exploder needed a new engine due to an engineering defect and fortunately Ford picked up the cost of parts and labor. The total bill was almost $9,000. They did tell me that the engine had great compression and oil pressure before they pulled it (at almost 90k miles when it died). I figure changing at 3k vs. 5k+ is cheap insurance to avoid a multi-thousand dollar bill for a rebuild or replacement.
If you decide to go 5k between changes, I would definitely recommend the intial change at 3k. I have felt metal filings from the break in period during the first 2 or 3 changes on all my cars. I run a couple fingers through the stream of draining oil and you can feel and see the metal filings.
Good luck and Tazz will thank you for clean oil!
-twylie
There is a place in Auburn, MA, which changes oil for Hondas and Acuras for $9.95 including Honda filter. I wish they did this special for Jeeps!
Just got back from Reid State Park in Central Maine. The Wrangler was AWESOME!!! Used it on some logging "roads" to get firewood. People at the campsite were all jealous, and people on the road all seemed VERY receptive and approving! :-) The guy across from us said he couldn't believe we fit everything in a Wrangler, and he had one at home. I told him our hitchhaul shelf thingy helps a lot, and he said he is running down to Wally World when he gets back home to get one himself!
Can't wait to check the mileage.
later.
BELIEVE me i wish I could change it myself & use syn oil. But I'll let you guys explain to my wife why my oil change was $50.00.. If I go with every 3000 miles...what grade of oil?.. 10W30?....
JOHN..it doesnt take me 30 min to drive to an experess oil change I work in the city...takes me 2 min to drive to one...takes them 20 min to change oil...i'm back at work in 35 min...
& didnt have to get out of my car., or get dirty.
thats worth the $30.00 to me..
Besides...I probably would break something if I changed my oil...i'm not very mechanically inclined..then having 2 kids asking me 1000 qestions.....I just leave it to the guys that know what they are doing...
Keep Jeepin
BamaTazz
http://www.surreyoff-road.com/snorkels.htm
John
In my case, as it says in post 3785, the seal around the heater box where it goes through the fire wall was the problem. Tonkadave had the same problem with his Jeep. One trip to the dealer took care of my problem, and as far as I know, the same was the case for Tonkadave.
Have you posted in meet the members? I haven't checked yet. If not, how about posting a little intro article there, telling us a little about you and all the details about your Jeep???
Congrats on that new Jeep, John! Post some pics when you get a chance.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Rented Yellow one, my wife thinks they showed up the best when you looked up or down the pass. The place I rented from had 5 Jeeps 3 were Yellow.
...at 6-7pm Pacific/9-10 pm Eastern. Hope to see you there!
http://www.edmunds.com/towchat/jeepchat.html
There is a WORLD of difference between full time and part time four wheel drive. You have only part time full wheel drive on your Wrangler, so you need to only use it on slippery road surfaces or on unpaved roads. You will wear out expensive parts in the drive train if you run in part time four wheel drive all of the time. Also, there will be excessive tire wear.
Full time four wheel drive, as the name implies, can be used all the time. Wranglers don't have this option. I'm not the one to explain all the technical differences, but full time four wheel drive allows some slippage in the front wheels, so that you can takes corners without putting a strain on the front wheel drive components, while part time four wheel drive does not allow sufficient slippage for dry pavement.
Some of you experts jump in here and help us.
All I know is that you don't want to run that Jeep in four wheel drive on dry pavement!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
invoice on TAZZ was $22,966 on the '02 sport with same options was 25,355 $2389 in savings!!
glad I got that '01 60th AE...
I picked up a 02 wrangler catalog today from my local Jeep Dealer(www.thinkjeep.com).. not to crazy about the "x" model..its between the SE & Sport...to me..might as well get the sport.
Barlitz... CONGRATS on the JEEP!!
you will love it, sounds like a beauty..
RED was one of the colors I was wanting..
Keep us informed...& welcome to the board..
Where ya from Barlitz?
KEEP JEEPIN
BamaTazz
I was in Toledo yesterday on a business trip, and I got to drive around the perimeter of the Jeep plant. Saw about a gazillion Liberties, but not all that many Wranglers. Maybe they had more Wranglers somewhere else.
Let's have some posting, people!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Also, to the guy who was having a personalized tire cover made, how did it turn out? I thought it was Yellowman, but now I can't remember. And I am not even 40 yet!!!!
Thanks,
Mary Ann
-pizzadude
Now is the time for action against those who attacked our freedom.
BamaTazz
I got the tire cover, but my company is changing names, so I've held off on having the personalization done. We're moving to a new warehouse now, so it will have to wait at least a few weeks, but I'll let you know when I finally get it done!
yellowman
p.s. - My full cover saved my hand wax job of a week ago today - parked it, put the cover on, came back to see that it had been sprinkled, but my Wrangler was safe and sound under the cover.
p.p.s. - Hang in there, we'll all get through this.
...at 6-7pm Pacific/9-10 pm Eastern. Hope to see you there!
http://www.edmunds.com/towchat/jeepchat.html
Happy Jeepin' and Keep Praying
Post some pics of that baby! Tell us some more details about it! How about a post in "meet the members" to introduce yourself and to give all the details about your Jeep????
This place has sure beem dead lately! Glad you started posting. Maybe we can get some people fired up and posting again.
Once again, congrats, and WELCOME!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
When I have my top down I've been trying to figure out a place to put my side windows without rolling them up. The latest idea I tried was to lay them flat on the rear seat and fold the seat back down on top of them. I didn't put anything between the windows or seat. Do not do this it scratched my windows in a couple of spots, probably from driving over bumps and having the seat back raise slightly and drop back down.
Just wanted to warn everyone if you thought about trying this.
Have a Good Weekend & God Bless America!
Pokey
Do you really think that you can destroy this great country by these methods? You should be more aware of our history, and then you would know that America will not be intimidated by you or by anyone else.
Our country was born in strife. America has from its inception known that freedom comes with a price, and we have always been willing to pay that price.
You have people under your command who willingly give their lives for whatever twisted cause you profess. America has always had sons and daughters who were willing to give their lives for the cause of freedom. One of these great patriots in his final moments of life even expressed regret that he could give but one life for his country.
Americans have given their lives to protect and defend innocent people, while at your disposal there are those willing to die in order to kill innocent people. Our martyrs have served the highest calling, while yours have served only Satan.
In our fight for independence, we fielded a rag tag army of ill-equipped, untrained farmers, merchants, and teachers who wore only rags on their feet as they marched through the snow, and they defeated the greatest military power on earth at that time.
Only by the grace of God did our country emerge and prosper against all odds. God protects our country not because we are a nation of saints, but because the principles upon which our nation is founded are good and pure in His sight.
Did you hope that we would blindly retaliate against Muslim countries and start an all out global war? Sorry to disappoint you, but America does not hate Muslim people. Did we not send our military forces to stop the genocide in the Balkans, when Muslims were being slaughtered? Are there not thousands of U.S. citizens who are followers of the Islamic faith? Are these citizens not protected by the same constitution and given the same rights as Christians and Jews?
America neither imposes religion nor bans it. This is just another of our wonderful freedoms. We can worship God in any way we please, or we can refrain from worship.
We are intelligent enough to know that your deeds have nothing to do with the teachings of Islam nor those of any other religion. You are motivated only by hatred of all that is good.
If you despise us because of our prosperity, then you should know that nothing has been handed to us on a silver platter. America has fought for our freedoms and paid the price in blood. We prosper economically because we have worked for what we have in this atmosphere of freedom. You see, our society rewards those who work and those who invest their money wisely. That is the way it is when people are truly free.
You have hurt us, because human life is sacred to us, even though it is meaningless to you. We mourn for those we have lost and we grieve with their families.
You have inconvenienced us, because there will undoubtedly be tighter security in our airports. In some ways, because of your acts, America will never be the same.
But you have not come close to destroying us. It is your own destruction that you have brought about. Your days are numbered. The entire civilized world will join forces to hunt you down and destroy you.
And.......
God Bless America.
Its time to start thinking about lifts. My objectives are 1) mild, just something to accomodate a bit larger tires; 2) NO impact on ride or handling; 3) Durability and quality.
Bamatazz: did you get the photos of the hoist?
rs1157: Both my Jeeps ('97 and '2001, 5M and 3A respectively) got about 12 until breakin, which I think was around 3k. Teh 97 ended up 15-16 around town, which I though was pretty good. Hope the auto does as well.
tsjay: Ditto
Jack "Don't Tread on Me" Nimble
My prayers go out to all those who have been harmed by the terrorist attack. They also go out to all reservists who are being called up and are reporting in. I'm on retired status so I won't be called up at this point, but I was an active reservist during Desert Storm. I know what it is like to wonder every day where I will be, where I'll be working. It is an incredible selfless act to put aside your daily life and to answer the call, and I am so proud of my country that so many men and women will answer that call.
May all Americans continue to support all of our citizens who make up the members of the Armed Forces!
Jeephead