Yes, you read the title correctly. In addition to the above noted transmission problem, I have noticed as "Moaning" noise that seems to come from the right-rear of the vehicle when the A/C is on. I did not notice this last summer ... just recently. It starts out as a deep "moan" but the sound rises to a very high pitch before it disappears. It seems to last between 5 and 15 seconds in duration and often repeats multiple times in one trip. Some trips never experience it. It occurs at various speeds and does not seem to be linked to anything except the A/C being on.
Anyone know of a TSB for Moaning?
Erik
p.s. The Moaning has only occurred while I was the only person in the van ... so, No, there was not a couple hiding behind my 3rd row seat!
See my previous post. Noise might be the hose rub when compressor kicks in. I can really hear it at idle/low speeds or when coming to a stop. Not so much at highway speeds. You can validate this by turning A/C on/off at a stop.
Kia rep said company is looking into a fix...minor irritant for me right now.
I have not. My experience with low refrigerant is that normally the compressor just shuts off (as a safety feature). I have never heard a moaning noise ... especially from the right-rear of the vehicle. Makes me think about "possibly" linking it to the Rear A/C system since the sound seems to come from the area of the Air Intake for the rear A/C, but it happens even when the fan for the rear is turned off ... but perhaps refrigerant is running through the system back there anyway??
I honestly don't know but I think I vaguely remember people commenting about the heat being on whether the rear fan was on or not. I would suspect that in that case, coolant/refrigerent circulate constantly and temperature is regulated by the speed of the fan.
Just after getting our first oil change (4100 mi), and while on a road trip, I noticed that the front passenger seat was unresponsive to the controls. It's a 2003 EX, has this been a routine occurance, or did the dealer service guys manage to mess up the seat while doing an oil change?
Integradriver - Just a thought - are they totally not moving? I remember thinking the same thing when I couldn't get the seat to move up or down - only forward and back. I then realized the passanger controls are not the same as the driver seat.
Of course, this all indicates my ignorance more than anything. I'm sure you're smarter than I was, though.
Re-read the post. Missed the right rear aspect. Mine is definately front end when compressor kicks in.
Moaning noise that comes/goes sounds in right rear likely either a brake dragging, an axle problem or a wheel bearing going out. Any of those could be bad news...better get it to dealer ASAP.
IRT front pax seat, prob coincidence, as no involvement of passenger seat in the oil change process...unless they had to move it to get something out of the pax drawer.
I was just wondering if anyone else's lights flashed when the remote lock button is pushed. The owners manual says that the horn beeps (which i replaced with REAL horns :-) and the marker lights blink. My lights do not blink. Could be an error in the manual? Also, I get the "moaning" while using the air that I have read here about, so loud I thought it was a lawn mower at a stop light, looked around and there wasnt one, couldnt believe it was ME ! Now Im not really complaining, mine is a 2003 EX and I just love it and wouldnt trade for anything and my MPG is right at 17 city, but just wanted to see if anyone else had the light thing. P.S. I recently went on a 350 mile trip, i got just shy of 22 MPG down, empty with 3 row seats removed, coming back, loaded literally to the rafters with heavy pottery I got just OVER 22 MPG. I was actually worried about blow out from the weight. Im meticulous with my records so I doubt error, just wonder if anyone knows why.
Your fuel consumption for the load you describe is good. The main factor contributing to that is your 55 MPH cruise speed which is fast enough to cover distance and slow enough to allow safety and good fuel economy.
Just got my 2003 Sedona Ex back from dealer to fix moaning from right rear and lack of air conditioning (475 miles on van). It was a bad o-ring on A/c dryer that allowed refrigerant to escape and the moaning from rear was an effect of the low refrigerant. also asked about the rust problem around grill and license trim. manager claims theres a recall due out to cover it. They have some kind of spray? they put on back of the chrome parts to keep it from cutting into paint and starting the rust
My side lights do flash along with the horn sounding on my 2003 EX when using the remote to lock. Alarm/horn also sounds when unlocking using key only after using the remote. Only complaint is that system doesn't auto lock doors after car starts to move like Fords, Chevy's and Chryslers.
What "real" horns did you install? I'm leaning towards a couple of Air horns myself, but wondering if there is a direct connect replacement.
All I did was get replacement horns from Auto Zone. They are called Highway Blaster. These are mid-loud ones, they have OEM sounding, and then extra super loud. I thought the Sedona OEM horns were pathetic on such a nice van, I did that the first week ! One note, you MUST buy the two set. Its remarkable that the van knows if there is a horn missing ! I was also able to mount them in the original location, not much room for air horns, but nice idea. I hope that this light thing doesnt drive me nuts now. I just came in from trying everything, fuses, remote, hazards etc. couldnt get the lights to flash EXCEPT on panic. Oh well, Im just happy I dont have problems like others here, IE MPG, rust & such. Happy cruising with your air horns.
has anyone out there experienced noise like creaking coming from any of the windows in the rear. I noticed when they are open and you feel each window the passenger rear seem to be looser than the other. I find this van very noisy with sounds from the rear when u go over bumps. please tell me what anyone may hear and if any of these sounds can be fixed. I already had the rear seats replaced and i have 1500 miles on a 2003ex. thanks in advance
my van has 23000 miles on it and i do not notice a problem.
however , the windows are tempered glass and they do amplify sound when they are open. but i do not often drive with the windows open back there.
also- as far as nosies- my other vans ( a GMC Safari and a Chevy Station wagon ) they all develop some noises over time.
By generally you get used to them as they grow on you eventually. If I repaired or replaced every thing that rattled or creaked on a car I would be spending a lot of money on my car , over the time frame of 10 years/ 100,000 miles.
Own 2003 sedona. After parking and then restarting, there's a pinging noise coming from the right front end. Has anyone experienced this problem.
Also, a month after we purchased the sedona, we took it to Cincinnati (3 1/2 hours away). We had the air conditioner running. After stopping at a rest area (2 hours into the trip), when we started back on the journey the engine was very sluggish and wouldn't get any pickup for approximately 1 mile. Also, at stops the engine sounded like it was going to stall.
I purchased a Kia Sedona EX with all of the amenities on June 10th, 2003 at South Hills Chrysler/Kia in the Pittsburgh Area. At the time of delivery, the folks at the dealership completely rushed me through the process and along the way. Anyway, here are a list of problems that have occurred already: 1) Fuse box lid continues to pop off. It has a latch but constantly falls off. I now have duct tape hoding it on so my wife does accidently kick all of the fuses whenever she applies the emergency brake. Dealer says it is fine.
2) I have a driver seat that squeaks louder and louder everyday. Dealer is ordering a new one after already trying to fix the original (car was in shop for 5 days).
3) My panic button on the FOB doesn't work.
4) Just after delivery, I noticed a scratch on the back bumper, grease all over the passenger floor mat and a squeaky seat belt at the adjustable level (near the driver's ear). All were corrected at dealership.
5) Gas mileage of only 14 miles per gallon on highway and 12 in the city.
6) Upon delivery, they only had one key. They told me to come back the next day (25 miles on my day off), I did and the tech said he couldn't make me a new key. He said that they are waiting for a special KIA key making machine. He said " go to kmart of something". YIKES
Are folks out there having as much buyers remorse as I am? I feel just sick because my wife wanted the Honda Oddy and I convinced her to let me go with KIA. I was convinced from reviews, message boards and a pleasant test drive that this was KIA's signature vehicle. We have 1800 miles of driving and I wish I could just cut my losses. Help anyone?
Any other dealers in the area? Sounds like you are driving a pretty far distance for lousy service as it is.
I'd expect your mileage to increase as the van breaks in - even over the next 8 or 9 thousand miles. So the EPA estimated 15/20 isn't unrealistic to achieve at this point, imo.
Thanks for responding. I purchased my Sedona at the dealer nearest my office. I take the family cars in for service, even though my wife drives it most of the time.
Well, after purchasing my 2003 Sedona EX on June 18th, I have been in possession of the car for a little over two weeks. The rest of that time it has spent at the dealer's with the tech's hovering over it trying to figure out what could be wrong. I last saw the car with 734 miles on it unable to start in my driveway. It has been to the dealers on 3 separate occasions for vibrating, check engine light coming on, stalling and also complete loss of power.The tech also got stuck with it on a test drive. The car has gone through 4 computers, spark plugs, coils and ignition sensors. On the second visit the tech's did locate a "short" which apparently they fixed. Four days later it was back there for stalling. In New York, where I live, I need four work orders to declare my Sedona a lemon. Tomorrow, I will receive my Sedona back since they could not "find" the reason for stalling. It also stalled for them while idleing. I will have my third work order. I believe my story is to be continued......
I picked up my car with some engine problems from the dealer.I noticed when I am idleing and race the engine the tachometer only goes as high as 4x1000rpm's and then the engine starts to shake and miss. The tachometer does not go any higher. I was wondering if this is normal for the Sedona. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Have had possession of this van for just three weeks. It has had two problems one a rattle/squeal coming from the right side of the engine when you first start up. This goes off after about 3-5 miles of driving,it is also intermittent. The service centre checked the exhaust when I took it in (go figure), also it has a weird moaning, rather like a cow mooing combined with a loud whoop rather like a video game sound in the van, also intermittent but it corresponds to the air conditioning being on, which the service centre was told, they took it on a 13 mile road test and couldn't pick up the noise. I was told to take it back in when the noise is more consistent and to try to record the noise. If I wanted a job diagnosing the problem I would be working for them and probably doing a better job too. This noise happens every day - what to them is consistent. They didn't even do any checks on the air system. Does anyone have any idea what this may be or have they had a similiar problem.
I have an extremely loud noise coming from my drivers seat. I purchased my Sedona on June 10 and the squeak has continued to get louder and more consistent daily. The dealership ordered a new seat 3 weeks ago. Still not in. I now have my fuse box cover (on the drivers side floor) duct taped in place. It falls out constantly.
have been looking to purchase EX. have visited showroom twice. on the last visit i took my wife who uses a wheelchair to see the van. the sales man moved the van from the parking space to make it easier for her to look and get in it. now the problem; after starting the vehicle the engine made a rather loud noise and continued with the noise while my wife looked over the vehilcle. the salesman stated the car has sat too long and the nosie was coming from the valve lifters; said it would go away shortly; well it got better but did not go away completely; is this lifter noise a common problem with this engine, or is the salesman giving me the runaround; or should i look at another sedona and stay away from that particular one?????
I also went just to look at a sedona ex and the lifters were banging to loudly then I remebered, my 2001 kia optima did that all winter long and I became frustrated. I never did bring the car in for service in the winter but it stopped in the summer. I would stay away from that one, but there is definitely a problem with those lifters but due to the vehicle being so new its to early to send what the end result will lead to.
Could you explain to me what exactly a "lifter" is? I purchased a Sedona EX 2003 and it has so many squeaks and noises that it is difficult to tell what exactly is making the sounds. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Valve lifters use hydraulic oil pressure to operate and are capable of maintaining zero clearance between metal parts. Thus, valve noise and wear are considerably reduced as are the periodic valve adjustments.
I have exactly the same A/C noise that you refer to ... "mooing" is a very good description.
Please see posting #275 in this forum where the poster indicates the same problem and the solution that seemed to fix it from the dealer. I have not tried to get this fixed yet but am hoping this will be my solution as well.
My 2002 Sedona LX had the noisy lifter problem, but only after sitting without being started for 4-5 days or more. After a few miles, it disappeared. I discovered this immediately after purchase as I was in the process of selling my other car and would sometimes go a full week without starting the Sedona.
Since I now start the car virtually every day, I have not experienced the problem.
I was mistaken on post #275. I thought the leaky a/c (which was fixed) had caused the moaning noises from the right rear a/c vent, but on a recent long distance trip to Fla. we again heard it. Not as often or loud as before, but still there. As far as I can tell it seems to happen only if the back fan is OFF. If its running (even on LOW) I dont believe I have heard it. It's not been that annoying (we call it the phantom). More of an oddity. will see if the service dept. can do anything. (its not bad enought to have them start pulling things apart to find it tho) ps. anywhere from 13.5 mph in town (lots of tourists) to 24.5 on highway. 3750 mile on van so far. VERY pleased with how its been running. I reset the computer "average trip mph" reading on each refill. that way I can see that the 13.5 mpg came when I averaged 18 mph in town, and the 24.5 was when I averaged 65 mph on highway. Hope that helps
1.) RPMs- The Sedona engine can cretainly go OVER 4,000 RPM, when you are on the highway and the transmission kicks down into passing gear. the software on the computer correctly does not ALLOW the motor to rev high when it is not on the road. This spells good news to people who share a Sedona with teenagers or other people that think the motor needs to be " Rev'd up" , such as rental car customers!
2.) Lifter noise- I have NEVER had lifter noise from my van. I would AVOID buying any Sedona that had it NEW. This means the oil is too low in the engine, possibly the engine has been harmed already. Since these vans do not normally sit around for more than 3 months in inventory , that motor may have suffered some how.
I changed my oil the first time at 1,000 miles with conventoinal oil. After about 10,000 miles I switched to synthetic. I have 26,000 miles now. I never get lifter noise. My car is driven several times a week. The one time it sat for a week I did not note any lifter noise. -- On the other hand , we did have a Saturn SL bought new, and the dealer did the oil changes every 2500 miles with 10-30 oil. I think he must have used inferior product , as the car had wicked lifter noise at 20,000 miles. I started using the synthetic oil in the car and that got rid of the lifter noise on start up.
After getting my Sedona back last week,(see Post #285) I drove it exactly 3 days before my next incident occurred. In the middle of driving it started to hesitate. I pulled onto a side street and the car died out. Luckily, I was able to pull over to the side of the road. It started back up, but stalled after putting it in gear.
My husband was able to start the car and drive it home (about 1 1/2 miles). It then stalled out when we started it again and put it into gear.
I called roadside assistance and had the car towed to another dealer this time. I had, had it towed to where I purchased the car the previous 3 times.
This time the car was there for 4 days. I am up to 28 days out of service and 7 weeks ownership. They replaced the cam sensor and the crank sensor. They said these were replaced due to codes received from the computer. Last week when my car was at the other dealers for the same stalling problem, I was told no codes were registered and they could not figure out the problem.
I truly hope this will solve my problem, but I have unfortunately lost faith in this vehicle. I have already contacted a lawyer and the BBB for advise. I only have 900 miles on this vehicle and cannot believe the torture I have gone through this summer.
For the recent posts on A/C noise, our Richmond dealership said at the first service interval that it is a hose rubbing against the side of the vehicle. Very noticible at idle, but not at speed. KIA didn't have a fix in June, but was working on it. Evidently hose flexs a little bit as it ages.
Family just returned from first major "road trip" 5250 miles. Will post mileage when I get a chance to calculate actual values. Wife says it was 24+ for Interstate, around 16 for town, 20 combined...lower due to driving in the mtns.
this is odd. more people would be getting these problems.
i wonder if you were sold a car that had some issue where they ended up taking the car apart and re-assembling it in the field. this would explain the pinched wires.
there was a crank sensor recall on the smaller car, i think an optima, and that was due to a vendor supplying a weak body unit that ended up hitting the crank pully and breaking.
using the good service we have all gotten your attny should be able to build a case for your lemon law. your attny may want to get depositions from fellow bulletin board members to bolster your case.
We were also trying to figure out if there was an issue prior to us purchasing the Sedona. When we called the Kia office in California for advise, we were not listed as the owners of the warranty, that someone else was and we found that to be peculiar. There were only 14 miles on the vehicle at the time of purchase. We were wondering if maybe someone purchased the car, the problem happened, and they returned it. We did contact the DMV and my husband has been the only owner at least in NY state. Who knows???
I've been driving for 3 problem free days since getting the car back on Friday. We were going to take it on a long drive today to "test" it, but after getting your message, I am debating whether that is such a good idea especially with my 2 little ones.....
If this vehicle in question had been owned previously, even for the briefest period, can the dealer legally resell it as a new car? Does it become a used car with exceptionally low miles?
I did a history report on the Sedona and it really didn't tell me much. It says there was at least 1 owner that's it.It didn't specify the exact amount of owners,
It did tell me that there was an emissions test done in NY on March 26th with 12 miles on the car. I also noticed on the work orders that I got after repairs of a delivery date of March 31st.
We had delivery on June 18th with 14 miles on it. It was considered a new car. I noticed the car was manufactured in Jan. 2003.
Is the delivery date the date it entered the US or the date it was bought by someone? Do they do an emissions test before the car is sold?
From what I've read around Edmunds, a car is considered "new" in the US until it's titled and/or registered. The issue usually come up where a car is being sold as new even though it has 3,000 miles on it. In these cases the dealer has been using the car as a demo or perk for someone on staff and running dealer plates on it.
When they sell it, it's "new" since it was never titled and the full warranty kicks in beginning at the sale (so a 36,000 mile warranty would stretch out to 39,000 miles).
The auto lobby is pretty strong and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that a state law allows them to take a car back within a short period and resell it as new.
It might help to call your local state Attorney General's office and run this by them. Usually they have a consumer protection branch with an auto specialist in house.
I purchased my Kia Sedona in Jan 02. My wife drove this van most of the time. We Drove to Canada last July and noticed the excessive vibration on the car once the car have reached 75 mph(especially with steering wheel and some rattle noise). Took in for tire rotation and alignment. At the time the car only had 7200 miles. Again, we drove to Chicago last week, the car have the same problem as July with vibration once the car have reached 80 mph. 19000 miles on the odometer. All schedule maintenance were performed by dealer and on schedule. Original tires! Also, when we first turned on AC, it made such a high pitch or rev up noise. We really like our Sedona. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated before I will harrass our dealer.
just to add a bit to what steve_host said in #308...
We bought a '98 Isuzu Trooper in fall 1999. By the way, I hope our Sedona turns out to be as trouble-free and enjoyable as our Trooper has been. So far so good, with a tick over 25k on our 2002 Sedona EX. Trooper had 7,000 miles on it and had been driven as some sort of courtesy vehicle at Isuzu's U.S. HQ in southern California. After we bought the vehicle, the info we received in the mail indicated that Isuzu considered us to be the new/original owners of the van, even though it had 7,000 miles and a year of use on it. This seems to be similar to a dealer using a vehicle as a demo - Isuzu America must never have titled the truck, and therefore they considered it sold once we bought it from a dealer, who had purchased it at an Isuzu-dealers-only auction a few weeks earlier.
I purchased my Kia Sedona in Jan 02. My wife drove this van most of the time. We Drove to Canada last July and noticed the excessive vibration on the car once the car have reached 75 mph(especially with steering wheel and some rattle noise). Took in for tire rotation and alignment. At the time the car only had 7200 miles. Again, we drove to Chicago last week, the car have the same problem as July with vibration once the car have reached 80 mph. 19000 miles on the odometer. All schedule maintenance were performed by dealer and on schedule. Original tires! Also, when we first turned on AC, it made such a high pitch or rev up noise. We really like our Sedona. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated before I will harrass our dealer.
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Anyone know of a TSB for Moaning?
Erik
p.s. The Moaning has only occurred while I was the only person in the van ... so, No, there was not a couple hiding behind my 3rd row seat!
I have had times when old fluid began to make the components noisy.
Have you had your air conditioner checked? It may be low on refrigerant.
Kia rep said company is looking into a fix...minor irritant for me right now.
Of course, this all indicates my ignorance more than anything. I'm sure you're smarter than I was, though.
Moaning noise that comes/goes sounds in right rear likely either a brake dragging, an axle problem or a wheel bearing going out. Any of those could be bad news...better get it to dealer ASAP.
IRT front pax seat, prob coincidence, as no involvement of passenger seat in the oil change process...unless they had to move it to get something out of the pax drawer.
My Kia Sedona provided me with very high fuel economy.
16.8 MPG.
my last tank of gas was on 253 miles by 15 gallons.
My configuration was as follows:
Kia Sedona van ( 4700 lbs approx. )
Uhaul 6x12 Trailer fully loaded ( Trailer wieghs 1,000 lbs empty )
3500 lbs.
Trailer tires at reccomended pressure ( 45 PSI)
Trailer is dual axle style.
Hitch is a Kia brand Hitch kit.
Engine Configuration : Mobil 1 oil 15-50 synthetic.
Engine Speed : 1500 RPM to 2500 RPM depending on terrain.
Engine Temperature: No noticable change from dashboard gauge.
Tires : 44 PSI
Speed: Cruise Control at 55 MPH. Occasional 65 MPH
A/C on for 90 % of travel.
Transmission Gear : 85 % Overdrive 15% 3rd of 4th gear.
Highway : Route 90 NYS Thruway & Route 87 Northway
Terrain 50% flat / 50 % Adirondack Mountains.
I think 16.8 MPG on a 8200 load is pretty good !
P.S. I recently went on a 350 mile trip, i got just shy of 22 MPG down, empty with 3 row seats removed, coming back, loaded literally to the rafters with heavy pottery I got just OVER 22 MPG. I was actually worried about blow out from the weight. Im meticulous with my records so I doubt error, just wonder if anyone knows why.
What "real" horns did you install? I'm leaning towards a couple of Air horns myself, but wondering if there is a direct connect replacement.
I hope that this light thing doesnt drive me nuts now. I just came in from trying everything, fuses, remote, hazards etc. couldnt get the lights to flash EXCEPT on panic. Oh well, Im just happy I dont have problems like others here, IE MPG, rust & such. Happy cruising with your air horns.
thanks in advance
however , the windows are tempered glass and they do amplify sound when they are open. but i do not often drive with the windows open back there.
also- as far as nosies- my other vans ( a GMC Safari and a Chevy Station wagon ) they all develop some noises over time.
By generally you get used to them as they grow on you eventually. If I repaired or replaced every thing that rattled or creaked on a car I would be spending a lot of money on my car , over the time frame of 10 years/ 100,000 miles.
good luck.
Also, a month after we purchased the sedona, we took it to Cincinnati (3 1/2 hours away). We had the air conditioner running. After stopping at a rest area (2 hours into the trip), when we started back on the journey the engine was very sluggish and wouldn't get any pickup for approximately 1 mile. Also, at stops the engine sounded like it was going to stall.
No lights came on, and no other problems to date.
it will need some study.
you may as well start the process of taking it in for evaluation.
1) Fuse box lid continues to pop off. It has a latch but constantly falls off. I now have duct tape hoding it on so my wife does accidently kick all of the fuses whenever she applies the emergency brake. Dealer says it is fine.
2) I have a driver seat that squeaks louder and louder everyday. Dealer is ordering a new one after already trying to fix the original (car was in shop for 5 days).
3) My panic button on the FOB doesn't work.
4) Just after delivery, I noticed a scratch on the back bumper, grease all over the passenger floor mat and a squeaky seat belt at the adjustable level (near the driver's ear). All were corrected at dealership.
5) Gas mileage of only 14 miles per gallon on highway and 12 in the city.
6) Upon delivery, they only had one key. They told me to come back the next day (25 miles on my day off), I did and the tech said he couldn't make me a new key. He said that they are waiting for a special KIA key making machine. He said " go to kmart of something". YIKES
Are folks out there having as much buyers remorse as I am? I feel just sick because my wife wanted the Honda Oddy and I convinced her to let me go with KIA. I was convinced from reviews, message boards and a pleasant test drive that this was KIA's signature vehicle. We have 1800 miles of driving and I wish I could just cut my losses. Help anyone?
I'd expect your mileage to increase as the van breaks in - even over the next 8 or 9 thousand miles. So the EPA estimated 15/20 isn't unrealistic to achieve at this point, imo.
Steve, Host
It helps so you don't blow up the engine -- you probably shouldn't idle above 4k anyway when in neutral.
Steve, Host
Please see posting #275 in this forum where the poster indicates the same problem and the solution that seemed to fix it from the dealer. I have not tried to get this fixed yet but am hoping this will be my solution as well.
Since I now start the car virtually every day, I have not experienced the problem.
2.) Lifter noise- I have NEVER had lifter noise from my van. I would AVOID buying any Sedona that had it NEW. This means the oil is too low in the engine, possibly the engine has been harmed already. Since these vans do not normally sit around for more than 3 months in inventory , that motor may have suffered some how.
I changed my oil the first time at 1,000 miles with conventoinal oil. After about 10,000 miles I switched to synthetic. I have 26,000 miles now. I never get lifter noise. My car is driven several times a week. The one time it sat for a week I did not note any lifter noise. -- On the other hand , we did have a Saturn SL bought new, and the dealer did the oil changes every 2500 miles with 10-30 oil. I think he must have used inferior product , as the car had wicked lifter noise at 20,000 miles. I started using the synthetic oil in the car and that got rid of the lifter noise on start up.
My husband was able to start the car and drive it home (about 1 1/2 miles). It then stalled out when we started it again and put it into gear.
I called roadside assistance and had the car towed to another dealer this time. I had, had it towed to where I purchased the car the previous 3 times.
This time the car was there for 4 days. I am up to 28 days out of service and 7 weeks ownership. They replaced the cam sensor and the crank sensor. They said these were replaced due to codes received from the computer. Last week when my car was at the other dealers for the same stalling problem, I was told no codes were registered and they could not figure out the problem.
I truly hope this will solve my problem, but I have unfortunately lost faith in this vehicle. I have already contacted a lawyer and the BBB for advise. I only have 900 miles on this vehicle and cannot believe the torture I have gone through this summer.
Family just returned from first major "road trip" 5250 miles. Will post mileage when I get a chance to calculate actual values. Wife says it was 24+ for Interstate, around 16 for town, 20 combined...lower due to driving in the mtns.
i wonder if you were sold a car that had some issue where they ended up taking the car apart and re-assembling it in the field. this would explain the pinched wires.
there was a crank sensor recall on the smaller car, i think an optima, and that was due to a vendor supplying a weak body unit that ended up hitting the crank pully and breaking.
using the good service we have all gotten your attny should be able to build a case for your lemon law. your attny may want to get depositions from fellow bulletin board members to bolster your case.
I've been driving for 3 problem free days since getting the car back on Friday. We were going to take it on a long drive today to "test" it, but after getting your message, I am debating whether that is such a good idea especially with my 2 little ones.....
Steve, Host
The answer may well vary from state to state.
It did tell me that there was an emissions test done in NY on March 26th with 12 miles on the car. I also noticed on the work orders that I got after repairs of a delivery date of March 31st.
We had delivery on June 18th with 14 miles on it. It was considered a new car. I noticed the car was manufactured in Jan. 2003.
Is the delivery date the date it entered the US or the date it was bought by someone? Do they do an emissions test before the car is sold?
This is getting interesting....
When they sell it, it's "new" since it was never titled and the full warranty kicks in beginning at the sale (so a 36,000 mile warranty would stretch out to 39,000 miles).
The auto lobby is pretty strong and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that a state law allows them to take a car back within a short period and resell it as new.
It might help to call your local state Attorney General's office and run this by them. Usually they have a consumer protection branch with an auto specialist in house.
Steve, Host
We bought a '98 Isuzu Trooper in fall 1999. By the way, I hope our Sedona turns out to be as trouble-free and enjoyable as our Trooper has been. So far so good, with a tick over 25k on our 2002 Sedona EX. Trooper had 7,000 miles on it and had been driven as some sort of courtesy vehicle at Isuzu's U.S. HQ in southern California. After we bought the vehicle, the info we received in the mail indicated that Isuzu considered us to be the new/original owners of the van, even though it had 7,000 miles and a year of use on it. This seems to be similar to a dealer using a vehicle as a demo - Isuzu America must never have titled the truck, and therefore they considered it sold once we bought it from a dealer, who had purchased it at an Isuzu-dealers-only auction a few weeks earlier.