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  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    You can read more detail here.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    A trip to Kentucky sounds good, but you also need to make some trips to Gills! We miss ya!

  • oceantoadoceantoad Posts: 186
    AIG was the company that came in $29 cheaper every six months. In all fairness to AIG, I did not have my present policy with me so I am not sure on the dollar amount of coverage on the two policies. AIG is mailing me a quote with all the dirt.

    My roomie Jean has her 94 Mazda MPV insured through AIG and she pays $350 every 6 months with a clean driving record. She is saving about $90 a year over her old policy.

    So what is the critter question that I probably can't answer?
  • oceantoadoceantoad Posts: 186
    How come you didn't take the afternoon off from work and play hooky?

    I know you can't wait to get those new puppies in some mud.

    Lookin good.
  • In my 97 I had half doors and with my 2002 I ordered full doors convinced I needed to have them. I guess I am never pleased as I now wish I bought half doors. With the fulls, you just don't get that open air feeling as with the halves. Also, the cabin seems so much more cramped. There is no where to put your left elbow. As I posted awhile back, I am looking to sell my 2002 4 cylinder for a 6 cylinder X. I am like tsjay when it comes to buying new vehicles. I've had 5 cars in the last 3 years and if I ever sell this one, it will be 6.
    If you all would be so kind, I need some advice. I'm trying to sell my TJ on my own so I won't take a hit with the dealer. MSRP was 19,150, invoice was 18,051. It is a steel blue 4 banger, CD player, Air, Full doors, 23N package, soft top, tire and wheel package, 5 speed, 1000 miles, etc... I am advertising it for 16,700 in my local paper and will sell it for 16,000-16,500. Does this seem reasonable? I have had it in the paper for 2 weeks with only 3 calls. One guy took it for a test drive but said he'd get a new one with his Chrysler discount. KBB lists 2001's for dealer retail as 18000+ and private seller for 16300+. This IS 2001, they do not list 2002's yet. Others in the paper list 2000 SE's with 20,000+ miles at 15,999. What do you all think? Am I asking too much? I just took a week off and relisted it today. Also, my dealer is willing to do all of the paper work, financing etc... What do you think?
    Thanks, Kahuna
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    You are not in an enviable position, my friend. People can buy new 2002s for about $200 over invoice and then get a $500 rebate, which effectively means that they are buying for $300 UNDER invoice. They can also get a 7 year/ 100,000 mile warranty on the new one.

    I'll bet you will have to figure out invoice price for a brand new 2002 like yours, and then you will have to knock off a couple thousand from that to entice someone to buy yours. (Maybe that's about where you are on your asking price?)

    I am so very sorry that you are in this position. I feel for ya, man.

    Are you SURE you can't live with the four banger?


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  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Oceantoad, it really boils down to "should we or shouldn't we?" Got 1.5 acres but lots of plants are getting tossed in the ground already - I'm sure Angora's or similar would love em :-)

    Maybe I need a Wrangler with a PTO and a disk and harrow?

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  • You are right tsjay. 500 cash back and the warranty are big obstacles. However, with my invoice (18,051) minus 500 it still comes to 17,551. My bottom line asking price is 16,000. People are still saving 1,551 dollars. If forced, I could maybe go to 15,700. That is for a loaded 2002 with an MSRP of over 19,000 dollars. And yes, I am kicking myself in the head for not realizing the need for a 6 cylinder. What I didn't know was the X model has most standard features found in the 23N package I spent upwards of 1000 for. I basically could have gotten one for not much more. But hindsight is 20/20. I'd rather cut my losses and get into a Wrangler I want to drive for the next 5-6 years than "live" with a 4 banger, my bad. I don't remember my 97 being this sluggish. The hills in my area make driving a task. So if I can't sell right away I will be happy that I have a Jeep, that's for sure, but in the long run, I have to get a 6. Would it be complete idiocy to get a used (2000-2001) Sport? I'm in no real hurry. At my asking price, I think (crosses fingers) I will eventually find a buyer.
  • texasjeep,

    I am not sure if the Rubicon will offer a 4 speed automatic. The only real specifications I have are at the following Web link - they just mention the automatic as an option.

    I still am a little old fashion when it comes to transmissions in a Jeep and would more than likely still go with a manual. The older Wrangler I had was a 5 speed and I had a ball with the manual. I know Jeep doesn't call the dark blue Navy Blue but it is just my generic name for it.

    I agree with you that the half doors are much better looking. The top of the half door is exactly aligned with the normal lines of the Wrangler are just perfect. I am really still perplexed by the choice. I have also seen the plastic replacement sliding windows for the half doors. In fact, I just saw a Wrangler with them yesterday. I just don't know if they are for Besttop or some other after market brand. I put an after market top by Besttop on my 1994 Wrangler.

    Do the complete soft doors come for the factory soft top on the new Wranglers? On the older Wranglers they would not fit the factory top and you had to buy the entire new top to use them. Also, I agree with you on the dealer options. I basically agree with you that in a good summer in Austin the humidity and temperature would be OK for half or no doors.

    What are the new sail cloth tops you mentioned? Also, you mention the toll road. Do you live in the Houston or Dallas area?


  • twylie,

    It sounds like your half doors work great for you in Atlanta. If so, I should not have any problem since the summers are a little better here in Austin. Especially, when it comes to lower humidity than Atlanta.

  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Well, my '98 Wrangler (my noble black steed) just passed that big milestone. While I was crawling along the I405 on the Sepulveda Pass it went past 100,000 miles. It's been fun having it as our daily driver, but judging on scowl on my other half's face when we filled up this evening, I think the Taco is going to get worked on this weekend. That $7.00 plus every two days increase in fuel consumption has finally gotten to him.

    Sure hope there's going to be another 100,000 miles travelled in it, because I don't want to replace it for another 3-4 years.

    Doors - I have full doors because we got a hard top. The fact that there is no place for my elbow does bother me, but then, the Taco isn't any better. Since I'm small I just lower the steering wheel and that helps my shoulders, since I don't have a place to rest either arm (I'm too far forward to make any use of the center console).
  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    From reading the info on some other boards, it sounds like that when DC redesigned the intake manifold for the 2000 model year, they ended up with a dish shaped cavity just above the #3 cylinder. The fear is that debris (leaves, pine straw, etc) could build up in that area, get heated up by the engine heat, and potentially start a fire. I read this late last night and haven't had a chance to look at ours yet, but will do so tonight. The fix is suppose to be a shield that covers the dip in the mainifold and prevents anything from collecting there. I'll take pics tonight and post them so other owners can know what to look at for "debris accumulation". If you're worried about it right now, pop the hood and make sure you haven't collected any leaves, grass, etc. on top of the engine. I doubt it's a very common occurance unless you are off pavement a lot or make a practice of driving through piles of leaves!

    It was noted that there have been no fires, just a risk. As painful as it is to have another recall item to deal with, I think it's a positive step that DC is doing the right thing on this. DC mgmt. must figure that dealing with this in the open before anything bad happens is a better alternative than a large suit if someone were to be hurt. Guess I'll be back at the dealer in May!

    Mtngal - congrats on 100k!

  • spd99spd99 Posts: 3
    Is it an absurd idea to commute 150 miles/day in a Wrangler Sport? I think I know the answer, but I just love the Jeep!
  • Great Question, and one that will probably get lots of responses.

    The quick answer is, it depends on you.

    Wranglers are loads of fun, with comfortable front seats. Today's Wranglers have lots more creature comforts than those of old. (OPtions like cruise control, automatic, and pretty damn good sound systems...) And for off-road, there really isn't anything better.

    My wife loves her Sahara, and wouldn't own anything else.

    Downside is noise (particularly on the ragtop), a truck- like suspension (It's designed for off road...), a joke of a rear seat (An option on the SE), and, most important to me,

    Gas mileage stinks.

    The I-6 is a great engine, but is designed so it will be dependable when you need it and give you lots of off-road power.

    My wife and I compromise. She gets to drive the fun Wrangler and I drive the boring gas-sipper. So it works out.

    So, good luck with your vehicle search and hope this helps!

  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    No it isn't an absurd idea to commute 150 miles/day in a Wrangler Sport, if you don't mind paying the gas. I've been doing exactly that off and on for the last 3 years (how long we've been living 75 miles away from work - the Wrangler is a year older). Mine still has the original clutch and brakes. My commute includes an elevation loss and gain of close to 6,000 feet (live in the mountains, work at sea level). In the winter temperature ranges from 20 to 70 degrees, in summer from 70 to 100+, high winds are common any time. The first 12 miles going home is slow & go, so I have a bit of everything.

    And after 4 years and 100,000 miles, I'd still rather drive the Wrangler than the Tacoma!
  • oceantoadoceantoad Posts: 186
    You say that you have 1.5 acres, is that open for a goat or does that also contain a garden, house, shed, etc?

    If you go goat you need a good fence to keep them in. The saying is that if a fence won't hold water it won't hold a goat. Stock fence is what we use, they go through four or five strand barb wire. Electric fence with multiple strands should also do the trick. Even with good fence they still find ways to beat the system (leave a gate open, etc.). If they get through the fence they are going to go for that bush or tree that is the only one that you do not want them to eat. They can find the smallest hole and exploit it, but can't figure out where the gate is when you are running them back.

    If a tree is small enough they will actually walk it down to get to the leaves. They will also get up on your car if that will help them get to the food or your air conditioner, dog house, picnic table...........

    Do you have a problem with dogs running loose in your area? If so, you could turn up with a dead or injured goat.

    They like to browse and lush green grass is not their favorite thing. They go for weeds, trees to include the bark on some, your vegetable garden, flowers, etc. They can and will over graze an area. I would think that you would need to supplement their feed especially in the winter which means getting hay along with pellets that have the minerals that they need.

    If you have a problem with internal parasites you will need to worm them. In the wild they are always on the move and tend to browse high so that worms are not as much of a problem. You also might have to trim their hooves if they do not get a chance to wear them down on rocks and such.

    Goats are herd animals so they are not real happy being alone. If you have two, what the one gets into the other will also.

    I like them and think they are great to have around, but they can be a pain in the behind. Get yourself a Red Ryder BB gun to help move them from areas that they should not be in.

    Go goat and get the Wrangler so they will have a toy to play on. Get the hard top model so that it will be easier for the goats to stand on.

    Are you going to go goat?:)
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Thanks Oceantoad! Sounds a bit overwhelming :-). (about .8a is fenced pasture here).

    Spd99, if you refresh the page after posting, you'll wind up with duplicate posts. Try clicking somewhere else on the site and then come back to Wrangler.

    Mtngal, my congrats too on your 100k milestone. Nice to see a Jeep start to get broken in.

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  • anonymous02anonymous02 Posts: 1,538
    "Are you SURE you can't live with the four banger?"

    All is not lost if you own a 4 cylinder jeep. What were the original Jeeps, anyhow, maybe 60HP???



    You'll really like this one:

  • oceantoadoceantoad Posts: 186
    Spoke to DC this morning and was told my Sport that I ordered had been shipped on the 15th (my birthday) and they gave me the number of the rail car and rail line that it is on.

    Went to the Norfolk Southern web site and punched in the car number. At 1045 EST the train left Elkhart, IN and was headed for Mesquite, TX.

    Things seem to be moving swiftly since having ordered on the 1st.

  • texasjeeptexasjeep Posts: 270
    A good number of serious off-roaders are switching to autos over the recent years. I have a manual and like it but at times I wish I had an auto when you get in some tricky spots.
    Bestop makes the upper half sliders. I kindof don't care for those because they are around $400 and then you only get half a window. I do like that could always just slide the upper halfs off and toss it in back.
    I would go test drive a TJ with full doors and half doors on a windy day.
    I like my half doors because it could be cold or rainy in the morning but at lunch or the drive home I can take my top halfs off and throw them in the back. Or I have my upper halfs off and top down and if it gets cold or rainy that afternoon I can put my top back up and upper halfs back on.
    You can't get full soft doors from the factory. I am not positive but full soft doors should work with the factory top.
    Jeep came out with a redesigned soft top for 01. It is a 4 ply top made out of a different material. It is suppose to have 50% noise reduction. It does make a signifcant difference.

    I am in Houston. I was out at the slab a few weeks ago. Fun place to wheel. It is northwest of Austin.
  • texasjeeptexasjeep Posts: 270
    Check your local paper and see if anyone else is selling a Jeep similiar to yours for the same price. I have heard people having good luck with auto trader.
    You dealer is willing to do all the paper work and financing? Make sure you are getting a good deal and the best rate you can.
    Nothing wrong with a buying a used Jeep. I would get an 01 if you want the newer soft top.

    I think it is absurd to have a 150 mile commute. :)
    The only problem I would have is filling up every other day. Just make sure you can live with the gas mileage.
  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    Larry R provided the following link to track rail shipments. He said it updated more frequently thatn the NS site. I'll get it out on my page later this week.


  • spd99spd99 Posts: 3
    Is it an absurd idea to commute 150 miles/day in a Wrangler Sport? I think I know the answer, but I just love the Jeep!
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Hey, it wouldn't bother me a bit to drive a Jeep that far, except that it would put tons of miles on the Jeep.

    As far as comfort goes, though, I think it would be just fine to drive that far. The gas would be a problem, but if you can afford it and you would really prefer to drive the Jeep, then go for it.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • anonymous02anonymous02 Posts: 1,538
    You might want to consider a more road oriented tread.

    If you don't offroad at all, a performance type tread might be good. You can get something like these:



  • anonymous02anonymous02 Posts: 1,538
    (just copy and paste the second half of the link, remembering that there are no spaces)

    If you still don't get it, go to and put in 255/60R15 as a tire size.

  • Does anyone here run with just a bikini top full time? I'm considering putting a bikini on, taking out the carpet, and pulling the plugs for the summer. Just curious if anyone does this- not worried about the rain, other than it getting to the stereo, steering column, etc. But if I have the doors and bikini, that shouldn't be too big of a problem, right?

    I wish they made one that allowed you to put the soft top on over it without removing, but not yet for TJ's.

    Also- I have heard the tops that require drilling are the best? Anyone have experience with either?

    Thanks a lot- I LOVE having the top down and doors off, but my sunburn is begging for something to be done....
  • texasjeep, yes, people are selling their 4 bangers (2000's and 2001's) for the same to a little less than me. Auto trader is good advice, I will try that next, thanks for the tip. My dealer is really helpful. They are willing to do all of the paper work and the financing for the new owner simply because I will be buying my new Jeep from them. I will be getting the friends and family Chrysler deal---1% under invoice. Also, Jeep is offering 3.9% for 5 years so my rate will actually be going down considerably from what I am paying now. My new ad appeared today and already, I have gotten several phone calls. It is 95 degrees here so maybe now is a better time to sell than when my ad first appeared (40-50 degrees.) I'm crossing my fingers!
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    I have the no-drill Bestop bikini header and hardly use it, though that may change this summer. Beware that the bikini does not necessarily work OK with the full doors--the water can just pool in the bikini and run down the inside of the doors. Hopefully you live in a western climate--I'd be nervous otherwise considering the volume of water that can come down in those eastern summer t-storms.
  • texasjeeptexasjeep Posts: 270
    Durning the summer I have run just a bikini. It is not bad. I keep a towel under the seat or consol to dry the seats off if they get a little wet.
    I have the no-drill header. I am thinking about selling it. I didn't want to drill in my Jeep but now wish I went that route. Putting the header on and storing it are kindof a pain. I sometimes like to road trip somewhere with the top on but once I am there I may want to switch to the bikini. Be nice to just throw the bikini on instead of putting the header on and having to store both.
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