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I personally like the option of an open rear end without worrying about doors or gates, like beds without shells. I have a '00 Silverado LT Ext Cab.
At a local Chevy dealer, the display floor model has the liftgate up - you can easily walk under it without bumping your head. I wonder if smaller women have difficulty pulling it back down.
Excursion has an interesting arrangement with barn doors on the bottom half and a window that swings up on the top.
Ken
Things I dislike: 1. The blind spot in the middle (I've gotten used to it, no different than the 2 second delay going into reverse from drive). 2. No rear wiper and having to clean the back glass often.
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alot of guys have had this fixed and they can help you out
Ryan
My Suburban is being built this week. Will be coming in 10 days. Could hit this brief incentive. Though there will probably be more in the summer.
I'm buying a Suburban for the $1000 Loyalty discount tomorrow, I think.
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One thing I have to say about the barn doors is if you tow a boat or even some trailers, you simply can't open the whole lift gate when hooked up, only the glass. I have this problem with my boat, I made a platform that bolts to the trailer so I can open the glass and get to whatever is in the back. I know that Reese Hitch makes a 18" extender, but I don't trust that for regular towing, I just use it to help launch the boat, keeps the rear end and tail pipe out of the water.
I still love the lift gate for regular everyday stuff, just that one gripe. To each his/her own I guess.
As you hint, the reason that we have not had any new cars is that all our money was spent on canoes, kayaks, paddles and equipment.
For me, kayaking is the equivalent of:
"If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
Kayaking can fix all kinds of things, but it can't fix a transmission or a blown head gasket.
Ken
Thanks ya'll. I should get a response to my service requests today. The suburban is in the shop for (1) the hot radio, (2) brake pedal travels to floor, (3) squeaking passenger door and (4) engine misfiring under load (feels like trash in fuel). 1200 miles and this is all the trouble so far.
Note: To all with the mushy, brake pedal to floor. There is a section in the service manual describing the situation. On a new vehicle, it is either a bad master cylinder, vacuum booster or accumulator.
My '00 Silverado did not have the brake problem initially, but has just developed the problem. I'll take it to the shop soon with a print out of the section of the service manual to avoid the "they all do that" syndrome.
I also WD-40ed my hinges without any change in sound. It appears to be from flexing of the metal spring that puts tension on the door closer.
BRAKE TEST:
If you have the engine off and depress the brake pedal 3 times, then stand on it, the pedal should not go down more than 2.75 inches according to the service manual. If the engine is on, the pedal should also not go more than 2.75 inches. Mine slowly travels to the full stop position (approx 1 inch from the floor). This is indicative of a bad master cylinder (internal leakage), or a bad vacuum booster.
This is off course assuming that there is not sign of external leakage as evidenced by drips of hydraulic fluid (GM manual says that a wet master cylinder is a normal condition but not drops, go figure). I don't want any hydrauic fluid anyplace except in the lines and master cylinder.
Ok here is the rest of the story. You are correct that there is a small fan on the back of the radio similar to the fan on most PC's. When I picked up the Sub yesterday, the only thing that was fixed was the driver's door was lubricated but it was not squeaking. It was the passenger door that was squeaking and still is (I gave the service writer a written list of my complaints and he couldn't even write it up correctly). Every complaint was followed with "designed to work that way" (see attached-work order).
The brakes are going to the floor stop, with constant pressure while the engine is on. There is a procedure in the shop manual which specifically deals with this symptom (Vol 1, section 5-17 and 5-18). Basically the problem is a bad master cylinder or vacuum booster but the response is "designed to work that way" See attach procedure
I have just filed a complaint with the GM Customer service to document the hot radio and burning smell, and bad brakes in case the vehicle burns up and kills me or I run into someone. I'll have documentation to sue them with.
it is recommended to use white lithium grease very inexpensive and works well.
Ryan
So I have to get up to about 57.5 MPH before the overdrive kicks in in TOW/Haul mode. Thats when my speedometer reads 55 MPH, the shift point. The 265's should be acceptable to GM for an upgrade. I don't think they have anyone who knows how to do it a the dealer level. What can I do to get my Speedometer adjusted correctly???? Its supposed to be possible to make this adjustment and get an accurate reading and also adjust other perimeters. Any input appreciated.
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Also, does anyone else have a tapping sound in their engine. The dealership has put one recommended patch on the control module and it is only getting worse. I have a 454 (7.4L) with 46,000 miles on it. It has been making this noise for almost 2 years. The only answer I get is that GM redesigned the engine and that this noise is normal. I have never heard of an engine making this much noise being "normal"
When an incentive or rebate program expires, manufacturers do not always renew or revise them immediately. Just as new car pricing is competitive, so are rebate programs, and carmakers often wait to see what their competitors will do before announcing new programs.
The upshot is that Edmunds may not always have the latest information on the day that you need it.
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Thanks to all who have contributed to this forum. Learned a lot and was able to spot the dealers who were serious and those who weren't. Special thanks to CW Martin, Don, and Irv. What great knowledge these guys have for the not so mechanically inclined and for those who might get intimidated at the point of sale.
after we picked up her new 'bourbon.. the dealer called me about a week later to let me know about a new program GM is coming out with for old Leases on Suburbans and Tahoes.. maybe others.. wasn't totally updated on full program details other than it goes into effect for the month of June only.. anyone with a GMAC lease on a Suburban & Tahoe after 3/1/99 can get out of it with no penalty and no owed monies on '99 models...in other words ..a walkaway deal IF you get another '01 Suburban or Tahoe... that's what he said.. supposedly I'm to get a letter direct from GMAC very soon with complete details.. sorry about details being fuzzy but that's all I have so far... will update when I get further info..
evidently those new Rebates are targeted for certain regions.. from what I can see it's the western GM region.. this article elaborates a little more than the prior Autonews.com article.. mentions western Region.. so it seems like only rebate left is for $1K Loyalty program for most of U.S... By the way.. the loyalty program can be used more than once but expires on 6/30/01.. I checked with Chevy and the dealer on that..
http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010515/n15302270.html
Steve-host.. a question ??If you happen to know .... why did Edmunds do away with their old method of posting Customer Rebates as well as Dealer Incentives.. their new method leaves a lot to be desired especially with eliminating the Dealer Incentives part, compared to that 'old way' of just listing ALL the Customer Rebates and Dealer Incentives on one long page....???
Here's the last news that I could find:
melissa "Talk to the Hosts" Apr 4, 2001 8:41am
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Thanks in advance
What are some of the differences you notice going back and forth between the 99 and 01? Anything on the older one you prefer to the newer model?
Ken
You will not be able to get the dealer to reprogram for a differant diameter tire/wheel configuration as the new models must have a code supplied from tech support before parameters can be adjusted from factory settings. This I know very well first hand because I fought the system steadily for three months before conceding defeat. This problem is not at the dealer level but a corporate policy mandated by the federal bueracracy generated by the continuing liberalization of our country. If you think I'm crazy then you really don't have any conception of the power that the liberals in the EPA have over our U.S. Manufacturers.
Enough of that: you can now buy a hypertech 3 programer which will reprogram your computer to new tire size parameters within 1/4" of actual circumferance and adjust other parameters as well; about $325.00. P.S. I really detest the libs for what they have done to a once God fearing and moral country.
I happen to like the front seats in my old '99 better .. both are LT's & have leather Captain's Chairs.. mine are more comfortable and are bigger and with more padding both in the seat and the backing.... the seats in the new 'bourbon are those wrap around new style with a lot less padding.... I prefer the older style ...heck it's a truck..not a sports car.. even though my wife doesn't and won't say it's a truck.." it's an SUV" she says.. yeah right..!!
no matter what Chevy says or what the hype the salesmen give.. that newer one is smaller inside.. must be the rounded styling as compared to my '99 box/square styling.... also I like my 40 gallon gas tank.. by taking the spare tire out of the inside left-rear and putting it below.. sure didn't add anymore room.. a waste and loss of a large gas tank..
AND the worst thing they did in the new LT Suburban was to put that awful addition to the center console over the front hump...for what ....just to hold a cassette player and a piddlee storage compartment... what a waste of good space.. and you can't dump it as an non-option..only recourse is to get an LS.. I tried..
the new liftglass is to my liking in the '01.. I have the barn doors that are a pain.. the '01 is quicker & peppier than my '99...
she got the rear bucket seats.. I prefer my old rear bench seat.. only for the room they provide when they lay flat without a missing center piece.. so far my wife loves her new 'bourbon..moonroof and all...that's all that matters.. it's hers .. I just play chauffeur every now and then...
If they made the old style rather than the new style like my ('99) I'd buy/lease one in a minute again .. my '99 now has 44K miles on it and is nearing it's lease end in less then 10 months... I guess I'll bite the bullet and settle for a new version ( probably a Z71-- black) IF they give me a 'deal'..the newer version is definitely 'prettier'...here we go again.. catering to those 'mommies' otherwise.. I'll either buy mine off the lease or see if Ford will deal on another Expedition again ( I had one in '97)..
with the way things are, the Excursion is out as a replacement for me.. those triple rear doors/liftglass are abominable .. and I believe Ford missed the boat in this day and age by building the Excursion on a F250 frame at about 8K pounds getting 7-10?? mpg with that underpowered V10 of theirs ( wouldn't get a diesel)..but heck, the darn thing is really big and nice inside.. I've driven a couple and like their looks both inside and out.. it is a true Truck though..
what it comes down to .. I just resist change.. but heck that new Z71 is sure nice.. in black of course..
it sure was a lot quicker accessing the info ALL at once PLUS seeing the Dealer Incentives that are now missing
thanx again for getting back to me about it..
I hadn't realized the gas tanks were downsized. Our 42 gallon bathtub can take us from here in Maine all the way to Va before needing a long drink. BTW - ours is a 95 LS.
Thanks again for the info.
Ken
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