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2. they do not survey owners about tires like they do other products (TVs vcrs, washers). so there is no CR statistical data on tires, just the tire tests in #1 above.
So I take it you have never been sent the annual questionaire?
The difference is 1 CR massages the data so it can be put in the form you see in print. They do not print each one like TR for example. Also if you are a non TR customer you can not take the survey, which is not too different from CR.
Does the demographic distribution of their subscriber base match the demographics of the purchasers of each type of car. No, in my opinion.
Many people read CR at the library or the grocery store magazine rack and online but do not subscribe. The ones who choose to subscribe match a cross-section of the population biased toward what I remember as the 70s culture.The 'green' folk now who were against "the military-industrial complex then."
Does the demographics of those who _choose_ to return a questionnaire match those of the ownership of that brand/model of car. In my opinion, no.
Those who choose to return a questionnaire may love their experience with a model and want to share the glory or may hate it because of bad experiences and want to gripe (understandably so).
They may also report on cars they don't own. Is there any kind of ownership check by CR on what cars are registered to their subscriber list? I'm sure there isn't.
So take CR as anecdotal information which certainly can be useful. But it is not JDR type data getting a true cross-section. And CR is historical data. The 2003 Odyssey you just bought because it had the wonderful reports for 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 data may have problems that haven't been discovered yet -- say transmission design flaw that's just now in the news.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
they send it to 3,300,000 people
In fact, my main reason for subscribing is for the auto testing. CR has an editorial "voice", just like any other magazine. You have to read it a lot, just like Car & Driver (to which I also subscribe), so that you can take their opinions and adjust them to what is important to you.
Other than the fact that their surveys are restricted to their subscribers, I don't see how you can ascribe any more or less of a "scientific" bent than JD Powers uses.
I do know that unlike C&D and JDP, they accept no advertising or even donations of subject automobiles. They go out of their way to assure the independence of their testing.
JDP's initial quality survey is virtually useless. Who would make a choice in cars based on their reliability at the 90 day point? JDP may have some useful information, but that survey wouldn't be part of it.
CR did say the E39 BMW 5-series was the best car they ever tested, so they must be doing something right.
capriracer: I will attempt to find out the info you want regarding tests. I don't save my CR issues (my wife likes to pare down my collection from time to time), but I will see if I can get it on-line.
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they send it to 3,300,000 people "...
I think they petered out when they realized the (logistics) resources it would take for an ongoing analysis of engine oil and tires.
I don't mean this is a pejorative sense in that how many organizations can afford to buy the representative tires and tire brands for each market segment and put 30-90,000 miles on a set? By that time most OEM's have come out with completely different tires!!??
The same is also true of oils. I have also read in passing that to so called test or api certify an oil costs between 100-300k (if nothing goes wrong) for EACH GRADE! So say you make 1 m quarts per year of 5w30. that would be 10 cents per qt just for the tests to certify. Also as most folks know the certifying authority gets a per quart royalty or whatever is negotiated.
I need to buy new tires, and am wondering if I should also order new stems ($3 a piece) or if the installer will just use the stems from my current tires.
http://www.ststire.com/tires/runway_enduro.shtml
Not really enough info to comment on, but they were rated "A" for temperature and traction and are H speed rated. Unfortunately, those measures don't express how the tire performs in real life... Good luck with your purchase decision!
JDR should stick to doing what they do best - selling GM cars. Ha!
Or do you think a data point based on 5 years of ownership is blastable to?
Steve, Host
I still think that the IQS is a good indicator of future reliability and satisfaction though.
In any event, it's nice to have another tool to use when trying to decide on a new car. Or tires, which we probably should get back to talking about.
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design and durability. There should be a correlation.
The problem is the 5-year or 2-year or whatever may not be the same car the current 90-day is discussing.
A Chrysler 300... long term results for a 300 aren't at all like the redesigned 300C.
How meaningful are the longer term results? Are they about the car model or are they more about the car company's past?
2003 Accord buyers didn't get quite the car the longer term data indicated. There were more problems than there should be in that model. Short term data should show that after the first several months -- if the information is made public by JDPowers or other sources.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Let's take it to JD Powers vs Consumer Reports: and get back to tires please.
Steve, Host
Is this true or are they good in snow like the Michelin site suggests?
Will there be a difference in ride?
Difference in noise??
Will the car sit higher??
I would expect to stay with the 205's.
Thanks
Michelin X-Ones? Harmony or Hydroedge?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
What are you trying to accomplish?
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Michelin X-Ones? Harmony or Hydroedge?"
this is a good question
wonder why Michelin messed with the x 1
Gas-tly situation (Marion Star)
Steve, Host
I thought a little more "air" might improve both...
Eyeballing the wheel wells... makes me think 60's would fit???
On a related topic...
Has anyone tried spray-on sound deadening in wheel wells???
thanks.
What is your make and model?... There are probably smoother riding and quieter tires you could get.
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If you have H-rated tires, I'd recommend the Bridgestone Turanza LS-H. I have them on an Acura Legend in 205/50-15. They are very quiet and ride great, as well as good handling.
If your car requires V-rated tires, then they are also available as Turanza LS-V in your size.
I liked the LS-H so much, I am putting Turanza
LS-T on my Honda CRV today.
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PROBLEM:
After driving the car for a while I can feel some shaking going on in the front right. Almost like as if I have a flat tire, but I don't. I looked at the tire, and yes I do need new ones, but I am not too concerned with that.
Question: What possiblities could there be that it is an old tire creating the shaking sensation when the tire starts to heat up, after 2-30 min. or so of driving.
Tires are on a Pontiac Vibe...
Actually when I retire next year a certified BMW or AUDI might be my reward to myself!
Tire noise is really bad!
I can not even tell if its from front or back!
I think the back! I recently rotated and re balanced!
$130, which would have been better spend on tires!
Tirerack has some KUMHO tires?, any good ?
thanks
My recommendation would be Bridgestone Turanza LS-H, but they aren't cheap.. figure at least $500 for a set on the car.
If you don't want to spend that much, BFGoodrich Traction TA/H.. Probably about $100 less for the set.
For a professional opinion, click on the link at the top to: ASK CONNOR.
Be sure to give him the size and car model and make.
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And yes, most of the cheaper tires ARE noisier (but often grippier, or capable of providing a better price performance point at least). Since that is not what you're trying to acheieve, go for one of the quiet tires from a big brand (BS, FS, GY etc)
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I'm running 711s - the H-rated, less expensive tire on our 2 other rides (autocrossing and daily driving) and I love them.
They have an 85K warranty which is the best in the industry. I highly recommend the Michelin Hydroedge to anyone driving a Toyota Camry.
Thank you.
get noise from my X-Ones. They were quieteer than my previous tire. I get a normal noise when I'm on concrete that has been roughened for traction such as on bridges. On most streets they are quiet even with 60K on them.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Maybe people only put them on sports cars and then drive them too hard.
choice of those or sirxon 4 tires which is better for a quiet ride?
My Legend takes 205/50-15.. Supposed to be V-rated, but that is kind of a weird size for V-rated tires... The only thing available was a very expensive Michelin. I've got a couple thousand miles on the LS-H and don't see any problems whatsoever. I recommend them and even just put Turanza LS-T on my '02 CRV.
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Great all-season tires IMHO.
-mike
wonder what makes tires go bad like that.
other reviews on tire rack say the same about the dunlop