I talked to a dealer about a Limited model with side air bags but without a sunroof. I was told that it is impossible to get the air bags without the sunroof. He further stated if you ordered it without the sunroof, it would come in with one. Has anyone else had this expierence? How about it cliffy or dianne? this is in dallas, texas
Have you run the tank dry or are you filling up when the light comes on? Running it dry is the only way to actually check capacity. The light will come on when you have 3 to 5 gallons left in the tank.
I own an SR5, common sense tells me something is amiss about the comment that Sequoia's have the wrong size (too small) pistons accounting for Piston Slap. If this is so, why don't all of them slap?? The pistons they use all come from the same factory. Plus this is not a new engine, isn't it the same as the Tundra? How come no complaints on the Tundra sights? Change subjects: My SEq starts harder than other cars I've owned, crank for 2-3 seconds even when warm. Also it seems to idle high, about 1100, is this normal?
I am about to buy a Sequoia (I think), but I'm concerned about all the discussion on this tapping or ticking noise. Has this "simple" or "quick" fix been implemented at the factory, or do I need to address this with my dealer before I buy?
Jimj139 said: "If this is so, why don't all of them slap?? "
All pistons, cylinder bores, and a host of internal parts are never perfectly sized. They all have tolernaces of +/- from perfect. The wider a manufacturer can make that tolerance, the cheaper the parts are from parts suppliers because less parts are thrown in the trash for being out of specification. Toyota could tell supplier that they'll pay $5.00 for a .002" tolerance piston that goes in a Landcruiser or they'll pay $4.00 for a piston with .003-.005" tolerance for pistons that go in a Sequoia. When these looser tolerances on many parts come together in the engine you have an increasing odds that a engine will be bad and noisy and slap-happy. Depending on tolerance variability from each part suplier from delivery to delivery, the resultant engine builds could be good one week and then bad for a day or two. Chaos reigns.
From the above, you can see how Toyota can say that the LC and Sequoia have the "same" engine but the reality is far from the truth.
So that's my hypothesis. If I'm wrong Toyota can call me up and tell me what they told tloughr.
I'm in the same position since I have a Seq on order. Even though I've waited for 2 months, I'm now in the postion that I hope the truck is delayed more until the truth comes out. Unfortunately, like most other buyers on this board, my salesman and dealer is oblivious to the web and will dismiss anything on these boards as false. Unfortunately everybody here does not have the luxury of having a salesman like cliffy who said:
"I would just like to be able to look them in the eye and give them honest information about how this was resolved."
But as he continued on to say, the information that hes has is confidential to him and his customers. Thus if the engine is a croaker, only his customers get the warning while the rest of us get the (crank)shaft. I'm not faulting him, he can't release proprietary info without dire personal consequences. The real blame of course lies with Toyota and their actions that resemble the obfuscation of 70's era big-3.
I too am waiting for my new Sequoia 4WD LTD (due in ten days). Yesterday I went to a dealer and drove a Sequoia and immediately drove a Land Cruiser. 1. Look under the hood. The insulation and housing of the engine is NOT the same. The engine may work the same way, have the same number of valves, or whatever, but it looks different and is covered in the Land Cruiser with a nice metal housing that probably functions to dampen the noise. 2. I suspect ALL Sequoias have the ticking noise from the fuel injectors, and that the reason that some people hear it and others do not, relates to the noise level in the car. 3. When I turned on the radio (with the booming bass), it completely masked the ticking sound. 4. The salesman (who test drove the SEQ 50 times)was unaware of the ticking noise on the Sequoia until I pointed it out to him, and then it was obvious. 5. The Land Cruiser cabin noise level is very low, quiet and luxurious. There is no comparison to the SEQ (can someone post the noise levels in these 2 cars in Decibels, there should be specs somewhere or it would be very easy to measure). 6. I am reminded of the Edgar Allen Poe story about the guy who goes insane when he hears the beating of the heart of the dead guy he buried in his wine cellar. The noise drives him to confess his murder. 7. Try this one when you take a friend out in your new Sequoia, "Are the ticking noises in my head bothering you?" 8. I was offered the loaded quiet Land Cruiser at $500 over invoice ($50,000) in this case versus the Sequoia I've ordered for about $3300 over invoice and I decided that the $7500 difference was not worth it for the quieter ride of the Land Cruiser 9. Just my $0.02 worth, hope this encourages some discussion and doesn't Tick anyone off. Regards to all.
ready to buy moderately loaded 2WD - looking to reduce massive stance via: 2WD, 245 tires ... am I nuts here in Chicago (no off road, no hills, ok some snow, but counting on tracs, VSC) - can I plead to have 245 tires w/AH package (since we'll do 2WD?) - what is best I can see in reduced height with above changes ... 4"? - do I need rear air/heat (Chicago isn't Florida, nor Fargo) - is standard sound that inferior to JBL base upgrade? - any new solutions to add fogs?
RE: smaller tires: #1) Your spedo will read a little slow #2) The top of tire to bottom of wheelwell is going to have a bigger distance then the already too far distance. I'd bet it would look pretty cheap no matter if the tires were premium Michelins.
Re: No rear heat/AC Hey, retro styling is in vogue. The rear passengers can pretend it's the 50's with no AC/heat. While your at it you may want to downgrade the 2nd/3rd row seating option to the 2x6 treated lumber level. :-)
Re: SR5 Fog lights: at tundrasolutions.com is a 40+ post thread on the topic.
Does anyone know of a bill of sale form that is available on the internet. I am selling my current vehicle and would like to try a printed form this time as opposed to the lose leaf we all have used.
Can anyone tell me the source of the ABS system in the Seq VSC system? Is it from Japan or one of the european systems, like Continental Teves or Bosch? Trying to compare systems and everyone says they will have stability in SUV's but not many have done it yet.
Yes you can get side air bags on a SR5. However I'm not sure if dumb or lazy comes into it as thirdsuv brilliantly pointed out. More a question of economics and Toyota using them as bait. I preferenced an SR5 and still do not have them. If you want the extra protection for your head Toyota is saying spend the 42K for a limited. Kind sad but somebody has to pay for them to race in F1. Check out toyota-f1.com Figure they are laying a couple of hundred million dollars into that. That is my experience here in New Jersey where I have not seen a SR5 Sequoia on the lot with side air bags.
I would prefer the side air bag over other nice to have choices (ex. Captains Chair option). But like siasconset says, I haven't seen an SR5 with side air bag option.
the saleman says that it's an option that had to be ordered and there would also be a 'special charge' for that option. How much the 'special charge' he didn't say. Is he full of hot air?
cliffy1 can you set me up with an SR5 4WD with side air bag? and how long would the wait be if it had to be ordered, and built from the factory. email me if you're interested.
In The southeast region (NC,SC,GA,AL,FL) GYAT is available as follows: Seq SR5 = 5% available, Seq Limited = 55%. As always, you can special order your Sequoia with any combination of equipment that does not conflict if time is not a deciding factor. Just an added note, in the southeast if it has GYAT it will also have a Moonroof. My personal opinion(which means nothing) is a dealer would not charge you a "special charge" for selling you a vehicle. You may want to consider contacting the sales manager to ensure that there isn't any misunderstanding. Wouldn't you think a smaller profit margin should be considered if it is special ordered?
Dianne and Steve (Cliffy1) are correct -- you can find a Toyota the way you want it if you look around. I contacted Sandra Molina of Toyota of Hollywood (FL, not CA!) by email, told her exactly what I wanted which she admitted was impossible to get w/o ordering (curtain airbags, no leather, no moonroof, bunch of other options like daytime running lights), she got back to me by email, came up with a quote, Fed Ex'd me the lease (!!!!), I faxed her a credit app, and that was it! The first time I met her was when I picked up the truck 6 weeks after I ordered it. I got **exactly** what I wanted and a nice discount. Thank you, Sandra! She saved me a TON of time by dealing by email. I wanted the Sequoia badly, but I didn't have time to waste in tracking it down.
I just visited a dealer in Richmond VA. He had several Sequoias which were imported from Canada. They were techically selling them as "used". The cars had a couple hundred miles on them and the prices were not much better then a "new" USA model. I read the earlier post about the Canadian cars but I am still very confused what the dealers incentive is to buy them and have them shipped this far. Are they buying them alot under invoice? Please if someone could go over the scenerio again I would be greatful.
Here in MN, most of the SR5's I saw on the local dealers lot had side air bags. They were fairly loaded 4WD SR5's, with sticker prices in the area of $38K-$40K. Sounds like it depends on what region you happen to live in.
I am "in the know" as you may say... There are absolutely NO reliability problems with this Engine. Feel free to spend all the time you want trying to find the "truth" behind the "secrets" Toyota is hiding from you (HA,HA). I have also enjoyed "expert" evaluations of noise by "Service Stations." I am sure the guys at Jiffy Lube have the knowledge and experience to give you an adequate evaluation of what internal noises are, or how the design will hold up, but you may want to talk to someone that 1)has seen this engine before, and 2) knows how it is built. One final note, Injectors, by their design, make noise, if there is any tension between an injector harness and the body, it will create abnormal noise inside the cab. Good luck looking for your smoking gun (we know what is really smoking, and you should stop, it will make you sterile).
"However I'm not sure if dumb or lazy comes into it as thirdsuv brilliantly pointed out. More a question of economics and Toyota using them as bait."
"Using it as bait" and then telling a customer that it is ""ONLY AVAILABLE ON A LIMITED" is lying.
However, it is now obvious that Minhski wrote erroneous in his initial post and now it seems that the dealer is somewhat on the up when he said that a special order would need to be done.
If you're so "in the know" about the issue and everthing is so hunky-dory, then why don't you tell us why Toyota has put a "cone of silence" on the Tloughr agreement??
Why don't you just get on your shoe phone and get an answer from Agent 99 on that one!
Welcome to the fray. I appreciated your first post and I hope to see more.
I think this forum would provide a budding sociology student with plenty of material for a great theses paper. One participant came along with guns a'blazin' and plenty of hyperbole. He quickly silenced himself and hasn't been heard from since is cryptic retraction. Now, everybody is on the war path about a mystery problem that never existed in the first place. Who knows how many people read this forum and made decisions based on such incomplete information.
Question: Does the dual AC option provide just: A) 2nd seat controls to separately control the temp in the rear seats? or 2nd seat controls AND additional vents to the 2nd and 3rd seat area?
I will have little kiddies in the back who I do not necessarily want playing with the AC controls - but I do not want them sweating in the 3rd bench either.
I get side airbags in 90% of my Sequoia models, and our website list attests to that BUT there are two different views of this.
A retail salesman will see cars and cars and more cars drop w/o them, ask a manager and find out that the regional ordering plan is for a certain build out scheme for certain cars based on "popular options". They are wholly unfamiliar with special orders or build orders or even modifications to cars after they are allocated a certain way. Heck ask around... SoCal never gets "PM" package cars but I have delivered 5 so far this last month. SoCal never gets "basic" 4WDs with AH AC only, but I delivered one last week. And, try and get a 2WD SR5 with no options! You can't walk on any lots and find them, but it's possible to have one built. It's not always a weak sales pitch or even lack of inertia. At times, ignorance isn't an insidious thing. It's just plain ignorance when they just do not KNOW. If you are across the country, find Cliffy or someone with some smarts and experience at this. If you're sorta near me, then I am easy enough to find. Look, my heart doesn't exactly pitter patter with rage when someone wants a different set of stereo eq. or perhaps has to take a few extra incidentals, but with the side airbags being a true safety matter, you're talking to a MOM here, with three kids. I don't know if I could live with myself if I lost one of the kids because I didn't take a few extra steps to ensure they were safe.
I have just finalized the deal for my SR5 Sequoia.
I got an White SR5 4X4 with: AC Dual ac AH Alloy package CQ Convenience pkg CC Electric seats GY Side airbags DR Roof rack RL Running lights CF Floor mats
All this for $33,930!..That is right $279 under invoice.
If you are in the Minneapolis area or not, the guy I bought from is the sales manager and is looking to increase volume. Please email me at wstill1071@aol.com and I will give you his contact information.
do a search of your state's DMV site, and find their forms section -- they are often downloadable thru Adobe PDF files. I know CA's DMV has many there available!
Great vehicle, great price, dealer and client happy! I'm sure when you pick it up all will be as expected without incident. I hope people will not ask why and how so much when deals like that happen. They happen all the time. Remember, it is just a car and profit is profit when the money is in the bank. Send the guy some business when you get the chance.
Not to sound too incredulous here, but are you telling the truth? I just jumped on the TDN system (our dealer communication system) and looked up the color and equipment you described. There are no dealerships in MN that have the side air bags, captains chairs but no moonroof. There is a dealer in Indiana who has one coming in but not a one in MN. The one in IN is a factory order and is not in stock yet.
Also, the mid west region has a regional advertising fee. It is modest by Toyota standards at $250 but that means your price is actually $534 under invoice. This makes absolutely no sense to me. I'm not saying it couldn't happen. Strange things can happen, just look at the platypus. The evidence seems against this actually being the case.
A loaded Limited costs over $59,000 in Canada. Add Provincial Sales Tax and our Goods and Services Tax (GST) and we're paying over $67,000. At prices like that Sequoias are not flying off the lots here. My local Toyota dealer has sold only 6 Sequoias so far. The Canadian dollar is worth only about 64 cents compared to the U.S. dollar. Even if he pays MSRP a U.S. dealer, paying in U.S. funds, can come up to Canada, buy a Limited for under $39,000 and take it back to the States tax free. The only thing he has to do is change the metric speedometer/odometer to one with miles.
Please say it's true. Under invoice, or under MSRP? I'll be glad to pay more than that for the similar vehicle (want the GY option). Does he still have more of them?
I totally agree with diane4toyota, it's the safety with me. Was in a crash 3 weeks ago, hit from the side by a van. The Camry was total but we walked away from it. That's why I'd rather have the safety than the niceties. Problem is, can't find a side air bag equipped in my area on the East Coast, VA area.
Got an offer for an SR5 4WD for around $35.8K. Comes with AC, AW, CC, CF, CQ, DR, GN, WL.
But no GY. Am tempted to take the offer on the table as I have no wheels at the moment.
Another salesman from the DC area told me it'd take from 4-6 months to order a car that I want.
How can you say this issue with Tloughr is a "problem never existed"?? Let's recall the facts.
#1) Tloughr mentioned a Toyota area rep with a phone # that you said you called? I'm assuming that the rep name and number was valid or I'm pretty sure you'd be alerting us about the hoax.
#2) If you talked to this rep then obviously he confirmed or denied that there was an arbitration. Which was it?
Now, if the rep is real, an arbitration occured, and an apparent gag order was imposed, then it sure sounds like the Tloughr issue "existed".
Please correct me where I'm wrong here and I'll gladly tuck my fangs in.
I can't speak of the Sequoia, as I'm in the process of buying one.
But I've owned a Corrolla, a Camry, a Sienna myself, and never been more satisfied. For all 3 vehicles owned, I've gotten my money's worth out of them. But most importantly, very reliable.
BTW, I bought the Sienna sight unseen, and didn't even test drive. And I am doing the same on the SEQ. Am I crazy? Maybe. But "trust" is earned. And in my book, Toyota has earned it long ago. Because in all, I can count 16 Toyotas in my family, and relatives that've owned them.
My 2th/100 $ for what's worth!
BTW, any more concerns, insights on the vibrating sound at 45-50 mph, or the tick-tick-tick sound? Or is it just a case of lucky/unlucky on which car you happen to buy?
From my many years in dealing with Toyota and Honda, in all facets of the industry, from Technical Field Specialist, to Design Engineer, to Head of Quality Analysis for a major technical evaluational firm, I can tell you this... While Toyota may scramble quicker to take care of a technical problem due to the results gained in that test, they will NEVER have someone sign and agreement such as you are alluding. What do you think the NHTSC would do to a Manufacturer that made a written statement trying to hide knowledge of a defect? Think about it Einstein... If you knew anything about the industry and its associated laws you would:
1) Know better than to make false statements that could be potentially damaging by alleging defects that you CANNOT provide proof of. I think that your comments are further defamatory due to the fact that you do not, if my interpretation of your statements is correct, DRIVE THE VEHICLE YOU ARE MAKING STATEMENTS ABOUT!
2) Realize that those of us who do understand how the industry works think of comments and demeanor such as yours as juvenile at best.
If you think something is truly being "held" from you, contact the NHTSC. I would bet that they will laugh their tail off when you attempt to make your case without even owning the vehicle in question. I take back my previous references to the likely hood of your usage of Marijuanna. I feel that you would most likely be a afficianado of Krylon Spray Can Vapors.
As I understand it, gag or secrecy agreements are not currently banned in most lemon buyback cases (California has a recent law that prohibits this practice). So if Toyota repurchased the vehicle, a gag order could very well have been part of the deal. ABC story older Britannica story
Re Goodyear Tires, as another recent example:
"This latest move contrasts the manufacturer's long-held insistence on gag orders and secrecy agreements concerning accident and safety reports on the tires..." AFTERMARKET BUSINESS ONLINE
I'm sure there are other examples. Feel free to disagree, but please limit your personal attacks so we don't have to issue our own gag orders :-). Steve Host Vans, SUVs, and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
All I can tell you is what I have in my hand... a fax from the dealer with those options and that price. What I can say is that the car is not built yet. They said that the car is scheduled to be built and they had to transfer it into their inventory. The logic behind the sale, at least what I was told was they wanted to sell some more cars, increase volume. I sent this request out to several dealers in the area. At first pass, I was starting at $500 over invoice with three other dealers. Maybe the midwest is having some sales promotion. As far as the side air bags, when I talked with him today he stated I could have them installed. It did not seem to be a problem.
Finally the price, you are correct about the $534 under invoice, BUT if you add in the $687 hold back, they are still making money.... plus selling a VERY EXPENSIVE car. Lets not forget that.
A few months back I posted very angry comments about Toyota's lack of concern about safety for people like me who are not willing to pay for a Limited. I cannot understand why they make it easy to get leather and other bells and whistles, and make it DIFFICULT TO GET the side air bag. In spite of what others say, I could not find any dealer in the large area where I looked who would be willing to build me an SR5 with a side air bag. I was also hesitant to order from out of state. My SR5 will not come with an airbag, and it still bothers me.
... loving life. I stepped over from a '99 RX300 due to an increasing amount of kid taxi' needs, more space requirements for frequent ski trips to Lake Tahoe and planned trips within other parts of Calif, and other misc. issues that my wonderful RX300 simply couldn't do for me & the Family.
I'm really happy with this vehicle, and can't report of any previously reported noises or problems by others. My kids & wife love it too.
My only issues are:
- No memory seat option - tires/wheels are a bit small; I/I 17 or 18's - clock is too low in console - gee, can't think of anything else.
Can't wait to put my first coat of wax on this black beauty....
BTW, I would think that Cliffy has an "understandment of how the industry works" and in his post to Tlough he said...
"I suspect you probably have an agreement to not discuss this publicly"
Lastly, I'm eagerly waiting (and hoping) to hear the good news about how the whole Tlough issue was a hoax. However, with each passing day that the people with knowledge (BTW, Maxwell, we know that's NOT you) keep silent, then it's becomes ever more likely that there is bad news under the hood.
Hard to believe that with all the sales and tech talent having input on other topics that no one has any comment on the stability system. Especially with all the talk about safety being main concern. The stability system is supposed to give you a better chance of never leaving the road and therefore not needing the side air bags. Or is there just no interest in prevention vs after the fact safety? Just trying to get any input on the stability system and who supplies it to Toyota if they don't make it themselves. And thanks in advance, I hope.
Regardless of what the Media States in the two links above, I have been the one on the other side of the table from many resolution seekers before. I tell you this, of the 60 or so cases I was involved with with 2 Manufacturers in that part of my career- of all of the Arbitrations, many dealing with issues that would be considered more sensitive than "noise", we NEVER had the option of having the customer sign any restrictive document (such as your "GAG order" in connection with ANY Arbitration). If you honestly think this can happen, please contact the Better Business Bureau, which Toyota Uses as their 3rd Party Negotiator and ask them if this is an option in the Arbitration process. In addition, try the other 3rd party Service, the American Automobille Association, which many manufacturers use instead. As far as the personal attacking nature of my comments, I see it as this: I am extremely familiar with the product, as well as 4 others produced by this manufacturer. The statements being made by this individual are 3rd person, and are being made by a NON-OWNER. I would not be surprised to find that he is a Ford Owner / Employee... Statements of this nature are causing people (check aprehensive comments by others above) to have second doubts about the purchase of a near bullet proof product (I should know, My firm tested the durability of this engine when introduced in the Tundra and have doen so annually ever since. The Majority of testing is performed on our Dyno's which, for lack of a more elegant term, beat the **** out of them for over 2,500 hours each under varying loads. in regards to real road conditions, we have 3 Sequoia's in our test fleet, I have driven one by choice for 2 weeks now). I don't have the time to sit here and play on this board often, but I have one request for Edmunds (Sorry to drag you in this Steve), Please look at how IS300.Net screens out the real "Owners" from those trying to run interference for a good product. Even if you cannot keep people from posting garbage, you could identify those people who are actually posting their own experiences, not heresay or intentionaly detrimental propaganda, with an icon next to their name or something.
P.S. How long will ThirdSUV's Sequoia be "on order"?
This is my final post, so ThirdSUV, I am sure you are an upstanding citizen under all that, I just think People need to know not to beleive what you say unconditionally. Please wait to print your derogatory Manufacturer comments until they are YOUR OWN impressions.
It's late and I'm tired so I'll make it quick because I only kinda read half of these. If you have a point to make please use your intlect and not CAPS. It is a kin to yelling when loosing an argument and demonstrates a lack of intelligence. RX300 is ok NHTSC is ok DRIVE THE VEHICLE YOU ARE MAKING STATEMENTS ABOUT! is not.
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Change subjects: My SEq starts harder than other cars I've owned, crank for 2-3 seconds even when warm. Also it seems to idle high, about 1100, is this normal?
"If this is so, why don't all of them slap?? "
All pistons, cylinder bores, and a host of internal parts are never perfectly sized. They all have tolernaces of +/- from
perfect. The wider a manufacturer can make that tolerance, the cheaper the parts are from parts suppliers because less parts are thrown in the trash for being out of specification. Toyota could tell supplier that they'll pay $5.00 for a
.002" tolerance piston that goes in a Landcruiser or they'll pay $4.00 for a piston with .003-.005" tolerance for pistons that go in a Sequoia. When these looser tolerances on many parts come together in the engine you have an increasing odds that a engine will be bad and noisy and slap-happy. Depending on tolerance variability from each part suplier from delivery to delivery, the resultant engine builds could be good one week and then bad for a day or two. Chaos reigns.
From the above, you can see how Toyota can say that the LC and Sequoia have the "same" engine but the reality is far from the truth.
So that's my hypothesis. If I'm wrong Toyota can call me up and tell me what they told tloughr.
I'm in the same position since I have a Seq on order. Even though I've waited for 2 months, I'm now in the postion that I hope the truck is delayed more until the truth comes out. Unfortunately, like most other buyers on this board, my salesman and dealer is oblivious to the web and will dismiss anything on these boards as false. Unfortunately everybody here does not have the luxury of having a salesman like cliffy who said:
"I would just like to be able to look them in the eye and give them honest information about how this was resolved."
But as he continued on to say, the information that hes has is confidential to him and his customers. Thus if the engine is a croaker, only his customers get the warning while the rest of us get the (crank)shaft. I'm not faulting him, he can't release proprietary info without dire personal consequences. The real blame of course lies with Toyota and their actions that resemble the obfuscation of 70's era big-3.
cheers
evidence that the Sequoia engine is a croaker
I'll send you a crisp $50.
Toyota, I'll pull my post if you send me a copy of the tloughr agreement.
Yesterday I went to a dealer and drove a Sequoia and immediately drove a Land Cruiser.
1. Look under the hood. The insulation and housing of the engine is NOT the same. The engine may work the same way, have the same number of valves, or whatever, but it looks different and is covered in the Land Cruiser with a nice metal housing that probably functions to dampen the noise.
2. I suspect ALL Sequoias have the ticking noise from the fuel injectors, and that the reason that some people hear it and others do not, relates to the noise level in the car.
3. When I turned on the radio (with the booming bass), it completely masked the ticking sound.
4. The salesman (who test drove the SEQ 50 times)was unaware of the ticking noise on the Sequoia until I pointed it out to him, and then it was obvious.
5. The Land Cruiser cabin noise level is very low, quiet and luxurious. There is no comparison to the SEQ
(can someone post the noise levels in these 2 cars in Decibels, there should be specs somewhere or it would be very easy to measure).
6. I am reminded of the Edgar Allen Poe story about the guy who goes insane when he hears the beating of the heart of the dead guy he buried in his wine cellar. The noise drives him to confess his murder.
7. Try this one when you take a friend out in your new Sequoia, "Are the ticking noises in my head bothering you?"
8. I was offered the loaded quiet Land Cruiser at $500 over invoice ($50,000) in this case versus the Sequoia I've ordered for about $3300 over invoice and I decided that the $7500 difference was not worth it for the quieter ride of the Land Cruiser
9. Just my $0.02 worth, hope this encourages some
discussion and doesn't Tick anyone off.
Regards to all.
- looking to reduce massive stance via: 2WD, 245 tires ... am I nuts here in Chicago (no off road,
no hills, ok some snow, but counting on tracs, VSC)
- can I plead to have 245 tires w/AH package (since we'll do 2WD?)
- what is best I can see in reduced height with above changes ... 4"?
- do I need rear air/heat (Chicago isn't Florida, nor Fargo)
- is standard sound that inferior to JBL base upgrade?
- any new solutions to add fogs?
#1) Your spedo will read a little slow
#2) The top of tire to bottom of wheelwell is
going to have a bigger distance then the already
too far distance. I'd bet it would look pretty cheap no matter if the tires were premium Michelins.
Re: No rear heat/AC
Hey, retro styling is in vogue. The rear passengers can pretend it's the 50's with no AC/heat. While your at it you may want to downgrade the 2nd/3rd row seating option to the 2x6 treated lumber level. :-)
Re:
SR5 Fog lights: at tundrasolutions.com is a 40+ post thread on the topic.
You salesman is either lying or too dumb/lazy to
understand the option builds. I'd wager the first.
the saleman says that it's an option that had to be ordered and there would also be a 'special charge' for that option. How much the 'special charge' he didn't say. Is he full of hot air?
cliffy1 can you set me up with an SR5 4WD with side air bag? and how long would the wait be if it had to be ordered, and built from the factory.
email me if you're interested.
Here in MN, most of the SR5's I saw on the local dealers lot had side air bags. They were fairly loaded 4WD SR5's, with sticker prices in the area of $38K-$40K. Sounds like it depends on what region you happen to live in.
"However I'm not sure if dumb or lazy comes into it as thirdsuv brilliantly pointed out. More a question of economics and Toyota using them as bait."
"Using it as bait" and then telling a customer that it is ""ONLY AVAILABLE ON A LIMITED" is lying.
However, it is now obvious that Minhski wrote erroneous in his initial post and now it seems that the dealer is somewhat on the up when he said that a special order would need to be done.
I can only answer the question as I recieved it.
Why don't you just get on your shoe phone and get an answer from Agent 99 on that one!
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I think this forum would provide a budding sociology student with plenty of material for a great theses paper. One participant came along with guns a'blazin' and plenty of hyperbole. He quickly silenced himself and hasn't been heard from since is cryptic retraction. Now, everybody is on the war path about a mystery problem that never existed in the first place. Who knows how many people read this forum and made decisions based on such incomplete information.
A) 2nd seat controls to separately control the temp in the rear seats?
or
I will have little kiddies in the back who I do not necessarily want playing with the AC controls - but I do not want them sweating in the 3rd bench either.
A retail salesman will see cars and cars and more cars drop w/o them, ask a manager and find out that the regional ordering plan is for a certain build out scheme for certain cars based on "popular options". They are wholly unfamiliar with special orders or build orders or even modifications to cars after they are allocated a certain way. Heck ask around... SoCal never gets "PM" package cars but I have delivered 5 so far this last month. SoCal never gets "basic" 4WDs with AH AC only, but I delivered one last week. And, try and get a 2WD SR5 with no options! You can't walk on any lots and find them, but it's possible to have one built. It's not always a weak sales pitch or even lack of inertia. At times, ignorance isn't an insidious thing. It's just plain ignorance when they just do not KNOW.
If you are across the country, find Cliffy or someone with some smarts and experience at this. If you're sorta near me, then I am easy enough to find. Look, my heart doesn't exactly pitter patter with rage when someone wants a different set of stereo eq. or perhaps has to take a few extra incidentals, but with the side airbags being a true safety matter, you're talking to a MOM here, with three kids. I don't know if I could live with myself if I lost one of the kids because I didn't take a few extra steps to ensure they were safe.
Di
I got an White SR5 4X4 with:
AC Dual ac
AH Alloy package
CQ Convenience pkg
CC Electric seats
GY Side airbags
DR Roof rack
RL Running lights
CF Floor mats
All this for $33,930!..That is right $279 under invoice.
If you are in the Minneapolis area or not, the guy I bought from is the sales manager and is looking to increase volume. Please email me at wstill1071@aol.com and I will give you his contact information.
Regards,
zinny
Di
Also, the mid west region has a regional advertising fee. It is modest by Toyota standards at $250 but that means your price is actually $534 under invoice. This makes absolutely no sense to me. I'm not saying it couldn't happen. Strange things can happen, just look at the platypus. The evidence seems against this actually being the case.
ANYHOW WHICH SUV IS THE BETTER ONE?
1- GMC YUKON XL
2- TOYOTA SEQUOIA SR5 / LIMITED
I NEED THE SPACE FOR MY FAMILY AND A RELIABLE
VEHICLE, KEEP IT AS LONG AS I COULD.
THANKS,
CONFUSED!
I totally agree with diane4toyota, it's the safety with me. Was in a crash 3 weeks ago, hit from the side by a van. The Camry was total but we walked away from it. That's why I'd rather have the safety than the niceties. Problem is, can't find a side air bag equipped in my area on the East Coast, VA area.
Got an offer for an SR5 4WD for around $35.8K. Comes with AC, AW, CC, CF, CQ, DR, GN, WL.
But no GY. Am tempted to take the offer on the table as I have no wheels at the moment.
Another salesman from the DC area told me it'd take from 4-6 months to order a car that I want.
Go figure!
How can you say this issue with Tloughr is a "problem never existed"?? Let's recall the facts.
#1) Tloughr mentioned a Toyota area rep with a phone # that you said you called? I'm assuming that the rep name and number was valid or I'm pretty sure you'd be alerting us about the hoax.
#2) If you talked to this rep then obviously he confirmed or denied that there was an arbitration.
Which was it?
Now, if the rep is real, an arbitration occured, and an apparent gag order was imposed, then it sure sounds like the Tloughr issue "existed".
Please correct me where I'm wrong here and I'll gladly tuck my fangs in.
But I've owned a Corrolla, a Camry, a Sienna myself, and never been more satisfied. For all 3 vehicles owned, I've gotten my money's worth out of them. But most importantly, very reliable.
BTW, I bought the Sienna sight unseen, and didn't even test drive. And I am doing the same on the SEQ. Am I crazy? Maybe. But "trust" is earned. And in my book, Toyota has earned it long ago. Because in all, I can count 16 Toyotas in my family, and relatives that've owned them.
My 2th/100 $ for what's worth!
BTW, any more concerns, insights on the vibrating sound at 45-50 mph, or the tick-tick-tick sound? Or is it just a case of lucky/unlucky on which car you happen to buy?
1) Know better than to make false statements that could be potentially damaging by alleging defects that you CANNOT provide proof of. I think that your comments are further defamatory due to the fact that you do not, if my interpretation of your statements is correct, DRIVE THE VEHICLE YOU ARE MAKING STATEMENTS ABOUT!
2) Realize that those of us who do understand how the industry works think of comments and demeanor such as yours as juvenile at best.
If you think something is truly being "held" from you, contact the NHTSC. I would bet that they will laugh their tail off when you attempt to make your case without even owning the vehicle in question. I take back my previous references to the likely hood of your usage of Marijuanna. I feel that you would most likely be a afficianado of Krylon Spray Can Vapors.
ABC story
older Britannica story
Re Goodyear Tires, as another recent example:
"This latest move contrasts the manufacturer's long-held insistence on gag orders and secrecy agreements concerning accident and safety reports on the tires..."
AFTERMARKET BUSINESS ONLINE
I'm sure there are other examples. Feel free to disagree, but please limit your personal attacks so we don't have to issue our own gag orders :-).
Steve
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Finally the price, you are correct about the $534 under invoice, BUT if you add in the $687 hold back, they are still making money.... plus selling a VERY EXPENSIVE car. Lets not forget that.
Regards,
Will
Doubleagent, what are you up to?
I'm really happy with this vehicle, and can't report of any previously reported noises or problems by others. My kids & wife love it too.
My only issues are:
- No memory seat option
- tires/wheels are a bit small; I/I 17 or 18's
- clock is too low in console
- gee, can't think of anything else.
Can't wait to put my first coat of wax on this black beauty....
BTW, I would think that Cliffy has an "understandment of how the industry works" and in his post to Tlough he said...
"I suspect you probably have an agreement to not discuss this publicly"
Lastly, I'm eagerly waiting (and hoping) to hear the good news about how the whole Tlough issue was a hoax. However, with each passing day that the people with knowledge (BTW, Maxwell, we know that's NOT you) keep silent, then it's becomes ever more likely that there is bad news under the hood.
P.S. How long will ThirdSUV's Sequoia be "on order"?
This is my final post, so ThirdSUV, I am sure you are an upstanding citizen under all that, I just think People need to know not to beleive what you say unconditionally. Please wait to print your derogatory Manufacturer comments until they are YOUR OWN impressions.
Dave