Toyota Sequoia

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  • zinny2zinny2 Member Posts: 46
    I have tried to post my response to oac3 three times and each time the wizards at Edmonds have censored it and taken it off. Kinda makes you wonder about an "open forum". Then I posted that the wizards at Edmonds have censored me and offered oac3 or anyone else to email me at wstill1071@aol.com and I would send my response that way....but alas, the wizards removed THAT message as well.

    I have a feeling this post too will be short lived. In any event, I will keep you posted.

    I do know minski was flew in yesterday and bought the Sequoia he wanted from the guy here for $500 over invoice. I am waiting for mine to be built.

    Kind regards,

    zinny
  • mjhammermjhammer Member Posts: 7
    I read all your references - and I really appreciate the helpful responses. Cliffy, I sure wish Toyota would offer that Seq./LC/4Runner system in the Tundra, based on my usage. I especially miss the Ltd. Slip in 2wd mode. Maybe they figure the Tundra is exposed to heavier average usage and the part time system is less money and trouble to maintain over the long run? This may be a tad too conservative on Toyo's part, or maybe a price point concern. I hope it's offered in the future. My past overall experience with all my Toyotas is about as close to "flawless" as it gets.
  • mmcgregormmcgregor Member Posts: 33
    I got my new amplifier on Friday. It's much better but still not as I would like it. At least it isn't unpleasant to listen at low volume anymore. The dealer said that he didn't order anything special, just the latest and greatest that JBL had to offer for Sequoias so I assume this has whatever modifications they thought were required to fix the problem.

    It still seems that there should be more control of the bass when at low volume. I think the "active equalization" just has a design flaw that JBL could/would fix if the CEO had to listen to it on a daily basis.

    Anyone else get a new amp?
  • ny972213ny972213 Member Posts: 7
    Hello,
    Can anyone provide input on pricing for a SR5 in NY?
    Should I expect to pay MSRP or should I be aiming to pay a few hundred over total invoice?
    The Edmunds TMV isn't giving much guidance.
    Thanks
  • sequoiamansequoiaman Member Posts: 12
    Dianne, Cliffy, anyone, I live in a suburb of NYC and recently put a deposit down on a Seq LTD 4x4 with all the options. My price is approx $2,700 below MSRP. My local dealer tells me that he has preferenced the truck and I should have it in 2-3 weeks. 1) How does this price compare to others in the NY, CT and NJ markets. 2) If the truck has been preferenced, can I get a Vin #? The dealer said he does not have one yet.
  • minhskiminhski Member Posts: 36
    He's doing us all a service. I just picked up my SEQ 4x4 from the same dealer.

    I never had such a pleasant experience buying a car until this. The guy gave me a quote over the phone, brought in the truck from another dealer, prepped it for delivery with a tank full of gas, and didn't even asked me to put a deposit. Even paid for my taxi ride from the MSP airport.

    See my previous post (#1628) for the options on this SR5 4x4. And I did get it at $555 over invoice. No other fees were added ( processing fees, Toyota Dealer Associations fees etc).

    Great deal I think, certainly much much better than what's been offered locally.
  • minhskiminhski Member Posts: 36
    Look around the chicago area dealers, then call the guy in MSP, you'll see the difference. Such a pleasant guy to deal with. No gimmick, no other fees, and it'll be worth it to fly to MSP, pick up the truck and drive 400 miles back to Chicago.
  • zinny2zinny2 Member Posts: 46
    And I appreciate the comments regarding to oac3. I wish Edmunds would have left my original response to him but clearly it contained too much cutting edge wit and just MAY have hurt somebody's feelings.......and in today's politically correct world....we can't have THAT!

    Anyway, glad I could help.

    zinny
  • thirdsuvthirdsuv Member Posts: 209
    Cliffy,

    Just to double check for when I pick up my
    SEQ (t-2weeks) that when I'm in 4x4 high I should
    be able to turn maximum left/right circles and
    I should not hear any grinding, rattling, hopping, and the wheel feedback should be minimal just like 2WD, right?
  • rruck1rruck1 Member Posts: 91
    Thirdsuv: I can comment first hand that this doesn't happen. I leave the Sequoia in 4WD most of the time and have not experienced any problems.

    Zinny2: I have also been a victim of a couple of deleted posts. The first was a flame that after a second thought I agree should have been pulled. The second was pretty tame and was in response to a very inflammatory post that was allowed to stay. The rules seem to be enforced pretty arbitrarily.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The Sequoia will not hop at low speeds around corners in the 4WD mode. That is really the beauty of this system.

    I suspect we will see the Active-Trac on the Tundra in the future. I think the reason we don't have it yet is a pricing issue. The full sized truck market is a bit more price sensitive than the SUV market. In fact, that seems to be the reason that ABS is still an option. Once you have ABS though, it should be fairly inexpensive to upgrade it to the A-Trac. I'm also hoping it will be added to the Tundra by the time my current Tundra lease is up in 18 months.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    A VIN is not issued until the truck is finished on the assembly line. They will have a temporary serial number and a "check code" which is only useable by a dealer to track its process in the build system.

    Two to three weeks is being VERY optimistic by the way. With the type of order they have done, 6 to 8 weeks is more realistic unless they had already ordered it when you came in.

    If (and this is a BIG if) they give you the temporary serial number, e-mail it to me and I can get more details for you. My e-mail is sclifford@kjtoyota.com
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Somebody recently asked about installing a CB into the Sequoia. I have asked our shop guys about why the manual tells you not to do this and got blank stares. No one I have spoken to can figure out what harm could come from installing this, other than any manufacturers blind fear of cutting into wires for anything other than genuine Toyota parts. They also could not tell me a reason not to install one.
  • dforrdforr Member Posts: 55
    I have found several CT dealers at $2000+ under MSRP, mostly in Litchfield County, north of Waterbury. Did anyone look up in that direction when they were shopping prices in the land of the rich? I too found Hartford and Fairfield County locked in at MSRP prices, but can you blame them when they get the price all day long from the people that want to spend their time working rather than saving $2000? Maybe they make the money back faster than they can spend it. Anyway, I found it pretty easy to find sub-MSRP prices in CT. I'm just waiting for the ticking noise problem to be fully fixed and verified as fixed on this board before ordering an SR5.
  • heatwave3heatwave3 Member Posts: 462
    Why are most of the references to Sequoia prices in this forum focused on how much under MSRP the deal is instead of how much over Factory invoice? Factory invoice would serve as a much better yardstick and indicator of how much the dealer is profiting from the sale in addition to their holdback.
  • dianne4toyotadianne4toyota Member Posts: 343
    Because that's how the majority of dealers sell these cars: MSRP, above the MSRP, or under MSRP. That's the true market for most dealerships across the country. Like, let's say, Acura MDX or Honda S2000 convertibles, or even out Spyders. There are cars and SUVs out there in the market that are sold at MSRP and up, down, or AT. The Sequoia is one of those hot products.

    Di
  • montanafishermmontanafisherm Member Posts: 17
    Thanks for the information on the CB radios. It's great to have a knowledgeable person on this board, such as you, to help wade through all the company jargon, information and mis-information. I am going to hook it up and see what happens.
    Tight lines,
    Montana Fisherman
  • dianne4toyotadianne4toyota Member Posts: 343
    Ask the guy to see the car on his TAC (pronounced TACK) sheet. If he can't show the car to you on one line, with options, color, interior code, etc, then it doesn't exist for reals.

    Di
  • cchamccham Member Posts: 19
    Do you have any idea when I should time preferenceing a Sequoia in order to get a 2002 model? Also, Do you have any insights into the 2002 color options or other options? We're after a Desert Sand but like the LTD. Thanks
    ccham
  • maestro6maestro6 Member Posts: 1
    ny972213 if you are interested in driving to Nassau (Long Island) and save over 3K post your E-Mail and I will get back to you with some references.
    Tony
  • 1dog1dog Member Posts: 17
    Does anyone have good pricing in Northern New Jersey on an SR5?
  • heatwave3heatwave3 Member Posts: 462
    diane4toyota: let me guess....you work for a dealership? No resonable consumer should allow any salesman to "move the deal" into an MSRP minus discussion. Its the consumers money and anyone worth their salt should be negotiating up from invoice, not the other way around.

    I have bought BMWs (535i, 740il), Toyotas (Avalon), Nissan (4x4 King Cab), GM (Denali XL) and there is no reason for any consumer to swallow any dealers claim "Because that's how the majority of dealers sell these cars". Whether the car is "hot" or an average seller. Not only isn't it true, its misleading.

    Consumer's have a choice with their money and its simply a matter of finding a dealer with a reputable approach to earning a fair profit through disclosure. There is too much information on the internet and elsewhere for a dealership to be successful in the long run with misguided direction such as all dealerships do it that way.

    True markets are set by buyers not sellers, when it comes to new cars and trucks.
  • toyotatoystoyotatoys Member Posts: 118
    I think half of the buyers don't use the net and don't know the invoice price. That's actually bad news to us net users because those people are likely to pay more money for the vehicles (and keep the demand high). In addition, the actual vehicles on the lot have tons of PIO and DIO garbage, which makes it harder to track down the actual invoice price. I believe these are part of the reasons that the "below MSRP" is more frequently used compared to "above invoice," and I found the latter more useful in preferencing.

    The "below MSRP" is still an inaccurate indicator of whether or not you are looking at a bargain. The distributor and the dealer can load the vehicle up with tons of overpriced junk and one might feel good about getting $2000 "discounted" price. One has to remember that, in general, the profit margin for the PIO and DIO are MUCH HIGHER than the factory installed options. That's an added incentive for the salesperson to sell what's on the lot, rather than preference or build order one for us.
  • dianne4toyotadianne4toyota Member Posts: 343
    The question was asked, and I answered it. Honestly, with no baloney, too. That's just the way things are.

    Dianne
  • mcmattmcmatt Member Posts: 80
    I recently got a Limited and I really like it! I would recommend to anyone!

    I have two issues, however. 1. The cast aluminum engine parts have white powder on them. Aluminum oxide?? Does it hurt? How to clean/protect?

    2. I have the factory Glass Break Sensor. I can't make it give the "warn away" using a couple of test methods. How to adjust sensitivity?? Will pay consulting if anyone has adjustment bulletin. Thanks a bunch.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The price discussion can go either way. In a market with tight supplies, it doesn't matter if you pay $3500 over invoice of $500 off MSRP. The market has driven the price to the same point no matter how you look at it. If you're more comfortable knowing the amount over invoice, you have the ability to look it up. Your basic question remains the same and that is... "Is the value to me higher than the price I must pay?" If it isn't, it makes no difference how much profit (net or gross) the dealer is making.

    I'll give you a real world example of how supply and demand affects pricing but I'm going to use MSRP for this example because that is how my customer approached it. I took an order for a white Limited with gray interior 6 weeks ago. The deal was for $1400 off MSRP. the customer in question is an airline pilot and flies to CA and sometimes FL. In the 6 weeks he waited, he did some shopping. When his came in, he confessed that he did check my prices against other dealerships. The best deal he found on a 4x4 Limited was $500 off MSRP and that was from a store local to me in VA.

    Now, he did find several stores willing to sell the SR5 at $2000 or a bit more off MSRP, but that is not the model he wanted. The dealerships could have sold it at dead invoice and it would not have been a good deal to him. Value did not exceed the price for him on that model.

    Now, a few things need to be remembered here. When he placed his original order, I had no Limited models on the lot. I had only 3 incoming and all three were pre-sold. I had to get a special allocation to get his rig. Today, I have three Limiteds on the lot and two more in allocation. For a store that sells 250 cars a month, this is still not a lot, but would probably result in a bit lower pricing. Conditions change.

    I am providing this little story simply to illustrate a point about supply and demand. I'm not arguing that better deals don't exist, nor that it is not valid to ask about invoice pricing. As a consumer, you can choose how you wish to view a deal. That does not change basic economic principles though.
  • slickrockslickrock Member Posts: 60
    I've been gone on a trip (more later), and in catching up on the posts from last week, I see that Ibbuzz had a question about filling the gas tank.

    In one case on the trip, I ran about 15 miles (~1 gallon) past the "out of gas" light, which came on as the needle hit the "empty" line. When I filled it up, it took 23.5 gallons. So the light must come on with 3-4 gallons still in the tank as Cliffy said.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    This is my first post.. be gentle...

    I'm trying to decide between a Sequoia and MDX. I drove the Sequoia last week, and loved it, but it barely squeezed in our garage. I'm going to drive the MDX this week.

    The width of the Sequoia is listed at 78 inches, and the MDX at 77 inches. Do those figures include the side mirrors? Even with them retracted on the Sequoia (love the power retraction feature), it just fit in the garage. If those figures don't include the side mirrors, then the MDX without the power retractable mirrors would never fit.

    Also, does the Sequoia include the ISOFIX child seat anchors? I didn't find anything on the Toyota web site. I do know the MDX doesn't have this key feature (for us at least).

    -Craig
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I think the width figures are with the mirrors out but I can't be sure of that. The reason I think this is the case is because the SR5 can't be equipped with the power mirrors.

    The Sequoia does have the ISOFIX seats. There are two of them in the middle and I think at least one of the third row has them but I have not checked.
  • stkgatorstkgator Member Posts: 16
    When the GBS options is installed, does anyone know where the actual sensor is located?
  • monautomonauto Member Posts: 4
    Does anybody know what happen to www.tundrasolutions.com WEB site. In the last
    two minutes, I got two different Web sites: "cobalt" dealing with domain names and
    "value.com" dealing with something else!!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Probably just moving the hosting around. Relax, and enjoy Town Hall for an hour :-)

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  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I think it is mounted behind and above the brake pedal. I haven't checked the Sequoia but that is where it goes on the Camry.
  • dforrdforr Member Posts: 55
    The reason I use both MSRP and Invoice when I request a price quote on an SR5, which I am planning to order in another month or so, is to make sure that the car and options I'm requesting are the same as what I am being quoted.

    When I compare the dealer's MSRP and Invoice prices to the figures that I've taken off the Internet, then I know if anything additional has been added or subtracted from my request. The quoted price is the same, and I don't care whether it is above invoice or below MSRP, because it's always in dollars, which is how I pay for cars, at least during the last 30 years.

    Supply and demand (adjusted for local economics) determines the final price, you just have to know your options and how much effort you want to put into finding the absolute lowest price. I'm sure that I can buy an SR5 for invoice during the next 30 days, if I'm flexible in features, colors, options and dealer location. There is some dealer, somewhere waiting to unload just one SR5.

    But my interest is to buy within a 2-hour drive, so I'm willing to get a quote from a dozen competitive dealers, and place an order, even if I have to wait 6-8 weeks. I try and plan my needs far enough in advance to allow the time lag for ordering.

    On the other hand, I have a friend that visited a local dealership last Saturday, and bought a Ford Escape because it came in yellow - he didn't go there to buy a car, never shopped online, never read Consumer Reports, and he's perfectly happy because he's picking up the car on Wednesday. And he's an IT professional too! Go figure.
  • cchamccham Member Posts: 19
    I just ran down to the local dealer and measured the width of the sequoia. Mind you this was done with a piece of string so there was no chance to hurt any innocent sequoias in the process. The measurement, mirror to mirror, was 89", toyotas 78" appears to be at the widest part of the body maybe fender flares to fender flare. My current Chrysler Town and country specs say 76.8" wide but the mirror to mirror width is 86". Sure is a valid consideration when the LTD comes with power retract mirrors, that might just save me the difference in the prices between SR5 and LTD in mirrors that I didn't scrape off and garage trim that I didn't have to replace. If only the LTD came in a color other than green or black white or two variations on that same theme (silver and gray).... Are you listening Toyota???? Pay attention here.... more color choice for the LTD! But I digress.
    We also looked at the MDX and found the back seat laughable. I'm buying a car that hopefully will out last my 10 and 11 year olds in my house so I'm looking at what big kids will fit in in 4-5 years, they really can't fit in that third seat of the MDX right now let alone 4 years from now. Also, we felt the MDX to be a bit cramped in the driver cab compared to the Sequoia. The space behind the third seat of the MDX was also not very useable while the Sequoia will comfortably fit my hockey goalie son's gear behind the third seat along with a driver,a goalie, two defense men and three forwards. That's just my two bits worth. I continue the analysis.
    Cheers
  • rredwoodrredwood Member Posts: 21
    The site is scheduled to be down this afternoon for an update. No word on when you can get back on.

    Shot out to Steve & Di! Looks like a fix is in the works for the "ticking" problem, and Steve, thanks for answering my VSC/TRAC question last week. BTW, that particular Seq is STILL sitting in their service-wait area. I'm dying to know what's wrong with it...

    Di. Oh loveable, affable Di. I want my Sequoia now! Took your advice on the Trooper, and still no takers!!! I'm gonna try ebay next week, but it's completely foreign to me, so a little apprehension building here. Tax refund should be here any day, will contact you further if result are positive...HAGD:) {Have A Great Day}
  • rredwoodrredwood Member Posts: 21
    Any color changes in the mix? I realize that '01 production may be getting close to ending, and so you may not be able to preference our order-build until the '02 models ramp up. Willing to wait for the "perfect" Sequoia, as I see it. BYE!
  • slickrockslickrock Member Posts: 60
    On the trip, I spent a fair amount of time driving on packed sand trails. For the most part it was quite pleasant, since sand is a very forgiving surface.

    But not all sand is the same. Medium or coarse grained sand that is mixed with some clay or silt makes a pretty firm surface. But if it's fine, pure, fluffy, dry sand, and you sink up to your ankles when you walk on it, then watch out. You may be able to power your way through it going flat or downhill, especially if you lower your tire pressure to 15 lbs or so. But if you need to climb up that stuff, forget the Sequoia and get a dune buggy with balloon tires.

    Damp sand can also be pretty firm. But if there's water welling up through it from an underground spring, then it's quicksand!

    With the big tires on the Sequoia, it seems to float as well on sand as lighter vehicles with smaller tires.

    There's only one way to find out for sure...
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I'm curious to hear more about the Sequoia in sand. At any point did you ever think the Active-Track system either helped or hurt the performance? I've had this question asked of me before and have no personal experience to answer. Did you experience the rev limiter kicking in? In my experiments on ice, I don't think the rev limiter will ever kick in when in 4WD but I'd like to hear what you found.
  • marc1966marc1966 Member Posts: 4
    I ordered a Desert Sand Mica SR5 a few weeks ago, but had to change my mind, since my kids’ pre-school will be much more than I thought. I ordered the truck from a dealer in Tennessee via the Internet, thus avoiding the inflated prices on Toyota vehicles within the Southeastern Distributor Region, like Florida. This saved about $1,200 right there, especially since I don’t attribute any value to a $680 Toyoguard Package!

    I know that I could simply cancel the order, but the Internet Sales guy has just been a pleasure dealing with. I would hate for him to lose the deal to another sales person in the dealership. They are apparently short.

    The Sequoia will be delivered to the dealer around April 6th. The deal I negotiated was $2,116 below MSRP of $37,565. For those who like to see how much the dealer makes, it's $2,000 above invoice. Below are the specs and the invoice figures the dealer sent me. I don’t want to make any money on this. I just want to make sure the sales guy gets his commission.

    Please e-mail me at hoffmann4@msn.com if you are interested in this vehicle, and I will establish the contact to the dealer.

    Base Invoice: $27,425
    Destination Charge: $480
    Dual Air (AC): $456
    Alloy Wheel Package (AH): $1,212
    Convenience Package (CQ): $392
    Roof Rack (DR): $176
    Preferred Package (PM): $2,392 (Oak Leather)
    Side Curtain Airbag (GY): $430
    Daytime Running Lights (RL): $ 32
    Regional Advertising Fee: $454
  • heatwave3heatwave3 Member Posts: 462
    cliffy1: thank you for the lesson in "supply & demand". I consider myself somewhat well versed in the subject as the VP of Sales and Marketing at a Fortune 100 company.

    While most of the readers at this forum may be swallowing your dealer "sweet talk", I don't buy it. If all else is equal, why would any dealer have a problem with quoting a price of X over invoice?

    To use your quote "it doesn't matter if you pay $3500 over invoice or $500 off MSRP". Your absolutely correct. So why not quote the $3500 over invoice?

    You and I both know why...because quoting MSRP UNDER makes it more difficult for consumers to comparison shop unless you can compare exact models and options from one dealer to the next. Toyota makes it particularly difficult because of the great number of option combinations available, therefore a multitude of possible MSRPs on a given model.

    With pricing of X over invoice, the consumer doesn't have to try and match up models and options to compare price, all they need to do is compare the X on a given model to determine which dealer is giving the better deal.

    The smart buyers on this site need to wake up and not buy a vehicle from any dealer that won't provide a fixed price over invoice. As a car salesman, if using $3500 over invoice is no different than telling the consumer $500 under MSRP, why not try selling a few vehicles quoting $3500 over invoice and see how many sales you lose to the nearest Toyota dealer willing to sell a similar model at $3000 over invoice.

    Why not simply admit that your MSRP UNDER approach is to make it more difficult for the consumer to comparison shop from one Toyota dealer to another? If you were selling at X over invoice, the market price for any vehicle would gravitate to the same level at all dealers in a given area regardless of supply & demand.

    You as a salesman would then be forced to sell the advantages of your dealership to win a sale versus the virtues of the vehicle, since the value of the vehicle is delivered by the manufacturer not the dealership. Wouldn't that be a novel idea.
  • minhskiminhski Member Posts: 36
    What's this extra charges that dealers are getting away with?

    A few posts back there were talks about TDA (Toyota Dealers Association) fees, and marc1966 talking about Regional Advertising Fees above.

    My local dealer was offering a 5% over invoice deal till the end of the month. Then he tacked on Advertising Fees, and Processing Fees, and TDA fees... and at the end of the day, I'm looking at another $1200+ on top of the 5% invoice price. Of course I walked because there's something fishy about a deal with hidden charges like that.

    Glad to say you can still buy a car, with no extra ripoff gimmicks. I bought an SR5 SEQ 4x4 at $550 over invoice last Thursday from another dealer. And absolutely no gimmicky charges tacked on top, other than taxes, tags and state required document fees of $25 bucks. Done deal.
  • minhskiminhski Member Posts: 36
    How about $2500 over invoice, then tack on another $1000 for other fees.

    So, even if they quote you X over invoice, make sure there's no bogus fees added in when you finalize the deal.

    It'd be interesting to see how many SEQ buyers here got screwed with extra charges that's not part of the X over invoice?

    Just walk if a dealer try to pull that trick and before long, they'd be more than happy to unload those SEQs at invoice prices.
  • john1726john1726 Member Posts: 37
    I thought cliff gave an honest, and accurate answer to the question asked. And if you are pricing a specific car with specific options, what is the difference with how the quote is presented? As a sales professional myself, I have found that not everyone is happiest just comparing x over invoice because if the lowest amount over invoice does not have the options you need, it really does not matter. As far as any extra charges, I know tgere are a lot of dealers that will try to sneal on extra charges when you are ready to make the purchase, but we are not all like that. There are some of us that are upfront and honest because we are in this for the long haul.
  • marc1966marc1966 Member Posts: 4
    I agree with minhski's assessment regarding the common practice of adding-in extra charges. I found this to be particulary true for dealers in the Southeastern Region, who, in addition to PIO and DIO, also have Distributor installed options (What would that acronym be?). That's the primary reason why I went to a dealer in Tennessee. But are you telling me that the Advertising Fee ($456)is bogus as well? The reason why I didn't question this amount, is because it was consistent with a quote I got from another dealer in that State. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I still think that the deal I negotiated was pretty good. There are no other hidden fees etc. - just the numbers I gave you before.

    Again, If anyone is intersted in the truck (see post 1698), e-mail me at hoffmann4@msn.com
  • rruck1rruck1 Member Posts: 91
    The first dealer I went to was willing to work either off invoice or MSRP. His first pitch was $1500 off MSRP. When I asked for $2000 off MSRP? - no problem! In fact, I could have any amount I wanted off of MSRP as long as it didn't exceed the value of my trade. This applied to working off invoice as well. I could have the Truck at or below invoice, as long as the difference to MSRP didn't exceed the value of my trade.
    The catch here is that the dealer insisted that the standard industry practice was to take any discounts the gave me on the new vehicle off of the trade in value.
    The conversation went something like...
    "How much is my trade worth? $7000
    How about you takee $1000 off MSRP? Sure, trade in value is now $6000
    $2000 off MSRP? No Problemo, let's see that's MSRP minus $2000 minus the $5000 we can give you for your trade....
    How about I sell my car myself and come back? Sure, but then we can sell at MSRP only."

    These guys (salesman and Business Mgr at this place) honestly thought that I would buy that pitch.
    This is a pretty extreme example, but my experience is that a lot of dealers use trade in values as a sort of bait and switch.
    I would be interested to hear if the people who got the great deals out there were trading in vehicles and if so, do they feel they got a fair deal on their trade.
  • dforrdforr Member Posts: 55
    You are crazy to negotiate both the price of a new car and a trade-in at the same time if you are trying to get the lowest cost deal. Repeat - CRAZY.

    If you do any research on Competitive Decision Making and Negotiations, you'll find the tried and true practice of negotiating these two items separately works best. First get your best price on the new car, then go to work on the trade-in, with the option of selling it directly yourself.

    If you don't feel comfortable with this approach, then don't expect or whine about not getting the lowest price deal. Take what you can get, and negotiate for the best net price (new car minus trade in). You can be sure that you won't get the lowest price this way, but you will get a new car and your old one will be gone. What's it worth to you?
  • tmeframetmeframe Member Posts: 80
    Hi Heatwave3 - The bare-bones truth of the matter is that in a high-demand market, the dealer can do just about any darn thing he pleases, period. It doesn't matter one iota what we think. We don't have to like it, we can [non-permissible content removed] about it, we can call him an ogre, and wish him eternal damnation, but that doesn't change the fact that while you, me, or someone else may not "fall" for such tactics, in a high-demand market - someone will.

    Cliff gave a lucid, sincere explanation, but tried to soften the blow too much, and it seemed you attacked his credibility for it.

    -Steve
  • zinny2zinny2 Member Posts: 46
    I have an option to trade in my '97 Montero Sport. I first negotiated the price of the SR5 of $xxx over invoice. I did not talk about options, just what the "profit" to the dealer would realize. Once the amount of profit was fixed, then I said could you appraise my car and tell me what you could give on trade in. He comeback at $11,500. Now, with that said, the trade in value is rather low because the price I negotiated for the SR5. But at least I know my tax effected floor of selling it on my own is around $12,200.

    Minski....How was the drive back? How do you like the Sequoia?..... and gripe?

    ZINNY
  • dforrdforr Member Posts: 55
    Any chance that you Toyota engineers will consider offering a standard transmission on the Seq? Some of us older types prefer it over Automatic, gives you more control over the vehicle in all sorts of interesting situations. Certainly not for everyone, maybe just for 10% or so. I've driven VW, Volvo, Jeep, trucks - standards are as American as apple pie. Automatics are for Mercedes drivers - check out their convertibles for proof that you are not allowed to have any fun in that brand - at least until recently. Ok, I'll settle for tiptronic type standard transmission if that's a compromise as well. Just something other than a computer trying to decipher when to shift from my foot pedal pressure. Boy are these things annoying at times, especially the fast shifts into overdrive.

    How about it? Pretty please??

    Cliffy and Dianne - is 10% too low or too high from your selling perspective?
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