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According to a GM spokesman, if you are a travelling saleman or a long commuter, you could use normal maintenance intervals and dino would work fine for you for years. But, anybody else, would be severe and the said syn would be a better choice.
Sorry, but like armtdm I don't feel the manufacture's have my best interests at heart.
Al
Yes, it is funny how things change when the shoe is on the other foot.
MB E320, JAG XJ6, to name a few (there are many more) have oil change intervals of 15,000 miles. In the MB E320's case, the gig provides for oil changes included as part of the warranty. When the new vehicle was brought in for oil and filter service,
(you know the 1-5k engine break in routine)
they EMPHATICALLY recommended oil change at 15k !!!!
Of course they would do the oil change at 1-5k if the "CUSTOMER" wanted to foot the bill. (as if they are not already due to the higher vehicle cost)
Like I said I KNOW that but FLEXIBLE he wasn't as stated in the post
Though they have gained rather wide acceptance among the motoring public, oil additives containing PTFE have also garnered their share of critics among experts in the field of lubrication. By far the most damning testimonial against these products originally came from the DuPont Chemical Corporation, inventor of PTFE and holder of the patents and trademarks for Teflon.
In a statement issued about ten years ago, DuPont's Fluoropolymers Division Product Specialist, J.F. Imbalzano said, "Teflon is not useful as an ingredient in oil additives or oils used for internal combustion engines."
All you are doing with teflon is clogging your filter. Full synthetic (MOBIL) will offer surpassing protection for your engine than teflon. Hope this helps.
I would stay away from PTFE resins in the oil (aka teflon)
Does anybody have any opinion of, experience with, or data concerning this oil.
The price is right at $3 per qt. Unfortunately only available in 10-30 - I usually use 5-30.
Now, knowing you Mr. Shiftright, I know you have some type of motive in mind for asking this question?? (which I'm sure you knew the answer for already).
TB
Yes, I was hinting at the idea that adc brought up, that in fact petroleum was not made at all from dinosaurs, but from plant matter......I wasn't sure if you were referring to some Sinclair product when you used the term "dino" oil. Not nearly enough dinosaurs to do the job.
Mr. Shiftright
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TB
--- Bror Jace
>:^)
One-celled marine organisms-oil?
After all french frys aren't french. French dressing isn't french, English muffins aren't english, swiss cheese isn't swiss, hamburgers don't contain ham....
But, ok.. Dinoless oil it is, from now on..
Hey how about nonsynthetic oil? That's accurate and discriptive.
Am I being helpful here?
>;^)
How about:
"Goo From The Ground"
"Subterranean Sludge"
?
Comments, Nay-sayers??
BTW, it's not a Corvette, Viper, Porshe, AMG. These high performance cars have been broken in for years on syn.
Al
If you want your new Jetta to last longer than that, use either Mobil 1 Synthetic or Valvoline Synpower synthetic and change the oil & filter (use VW brand filters) once every 5-6,000 miles. If you'd rather stick to conventional oil, don't go over 4,000 miles between oil & filter changes.
adc100, you seem to have gotten away with using synthetic oil right off the bat. Still, any adverse effects probably wouldn't show up for another couple dozen thousand miles. What kind of car is it and are you going to report back to us in another year or two with a progress report on your oil consumption?
For the record, I didn't say it was MANDATORY that you have to wait 5-10,000 miles before using synthetic in a brand new car, just good to do to be on the safe side.
I just bought some Redline 10W30 oil and they say right on the label not to use their oil for the first 3,000 miles. I have to think there's a good reason when they tell you NOT to use their product under certain circumstances. >;^}
--- Bror Jace
Interesting- I had a 1980 Nissan 210. That engine was the best I ever had. I'm thinking I'm batting 2 for 2 on Nissans.
Al
Withg synthetic easily go 5,000, even the Camry
Haven't used them myself, but a friend who has a couple of OTR trucks thinks they are good.
"You can start using Mobil 1 in new vehicles at any time. In fact Mobil 1 is the factory fill for the Corvette LT-1 and LT-5 engines. One of the myths that persists about Mobil 1 is that new engines require a break-in period with conventional oil. Current engine manufacturing technology does not require this break-in period. As the decision by the engineers who design the Corvette engine indicates, Mobil 1 can be used in an engine from the day you drive the car off the show room floor."
Comments???
Allow 3 thousand miles for break in purposes before using.
The Royal Purple site:
"Can I put Royal Purple into my brand new car?
We recommend switching to Royal Purple after the manufacturer’s first
scheduled oil change. This allows the engine time to break-in (seat the
piston ring to the cylinder wall). The exception to this is the diesel pickup
(Ford, Dodge, Chevy, GMC). These use a very hard piston ring under high
compression and it takes longer for the rings to seat. In these applications
we recommend switching to Royal Purple after 5000 – 10000 miles
(depending upon engine loading)."
Like I said before, it may not be considered mandatory, but I still think it's a good idea to stay dino for the first couple of oil changes to be sure the rings seat perfectly. And I'll repeat that we don't know if any of the manufactuers add something else to the crankcases of the cars that come from the factory with Mobil 1.
Hey, did you ever call their 800 number to find out the difference between "Mobil 1 5W30" and "Mobil 1 5W30 GM" that is listed in the MSDS sheet section of their website?
--- Bror Jace
MOST synthetics don't have to use any of the gooey, sludgey, VI improver in their oils where the spread between the winter and summer numbers is not so great. 10W30 is a great example. spreads like 0W30, 10W40, 5W50 tend to have viscosity improvers, regardless of the brand/type. 5W30 is a tricky one, some have VI improver, some don't. You can tell on Valvoline's site: www.ashland.com (the MSDS sheets) which of their's does and doesn't.
Yeah, I used Valvoline Synpower and Mobil 1 back-to-back in my car and I can't tell the difference between the two. Valvoline is 100% PAO. Mobil 1 USED TO BE 100% PAO but they have added some synthetic esthers and 1 other synthetic compound. So, I think these two are pretty close.
Redline, being polyolester-based is altogether different ... and supposedly better. I can't wait to try it but I bought it way ahead of time.
--- Bror Jace
Called Mobil1 yesterday about the GM after the Mobil 1. The guy said there is no difference between the two. Gotta go.
See you
Al