Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Some used to call this "the American Porsche" but believe me, it's not. I suppose you could build up the engine and put a much better turbo on it (the original wasn't very well engineered) but it'd all be a labor of love.

    I'd take it for free though.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    Long Island Craigs

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/6179482225.html 25 cents a pound

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/6179462197.html At least he isn't asking much, if it appeals to anyone

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/6160050099.html Studebaker for 4 figures

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/6175578662.html The car is gold and the engine pics are from a purple car. These ads confuse me

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/6179338855.html Looks like a decent driver for under 5 grand

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/6158526504.html Original owner 260Z. Automatic and maybe some rust under the paint

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/6179266901.html Big block Nova for 4 figures

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/6160808340.html Grand Prix driver. Shoot whoever put that sunroof in
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    I vote for the Galaxie. The Caddy has style, and the Jag made me laugh. Dart is a blue engine bay in a gold car, maybe not a good sign. I guess that Nova might be front heavy.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    edited June 2017
    That gold/purple Dart had a cheap respray over the original purple, I think. Look at the trunk pic. I imagine the required paint job is on the to-do list.

    Isn't that Stude's price high for such a plain-Jane version?
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    texases said:

    That gold/purple Dart had a cheap respray over the original purple, I think. Look at the trunk pic. I imagine the required paint job is on the to-do list.

    Isn't that Stude's price high for such a plain-Jane version?

    Why would he shoot the car gold instead of keeping it plum crazy?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    Yeah, bad choice. I'm betting it was some prior owner that did the gold.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,358
    I like that GP except for that '70s trim shop sunroof. Sadly those things were quite common back then. That is my favorite style of GP.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    texases said:

    Yeah, bad choice. I'm betting it was some prior owner that did the gold.

    Looking at it now, I bet that detailed the engine compartment when the engine was out and haven't touched the body. Body needs a lot of work
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    ab348 said:

    I like that GP except for that '70s trim shop sunroof. Sadly those things were quite common back then. That is my favorite style of GP.

    We've all been there with the sunroof. I did one in an 89 Accord
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 264,358
    gsemike said:

    ab348 said:

    I like that GP except for that '70s trim shop sunroof. Sadly those things were quite common back then. That is my favorite style of GP.

    We've all been there with the sunroof. I did one in an 89 Accord
    And I with a '79 Sunbird. Cousin and I did it.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited June 2017
    When I was in the tool business, I went into a large Lincoln-Mercury shop and a large group of techs and managers had surrounded a brand new Mark V. It seems the shop had decided they were capable of installing an aftermarket sunroof. The hole had, indeed been cut in the roof.....canted! I have no idea how they got past that total screw up!
  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,621
    fintail said:

    I vote for the Galaxie. The Caddy has style, and the Jag made me laugh. Dart is a blue engine bay in a gold car, maybe not a good sign. I guess that Nova might be front heavy.

    My first car was a '62 Galaxie 2dr sedan with the 292 V8 and 3 speed manual column shift that I bought from a friend for $100. The 292 is pretty weak and didn't like to rev, more like a truck engine where low end torque is desired. I think the 292 did originate as a truck engine, IIRC.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    Funny how different engines of nearly identical displacement can be different. My dad's 68 Fairlane with a final run 289 and 3 on the tree was a decent car, the engine was more than competent to move it around at a sufficient pace. I wonder if a 351 and 352 (my dad's 60 Ford had a 352) have many differences in real world use.
    sda said:



    My first car was a '62 Galaxie 2dr sedan with the 292 V8 and 3 speed manual column shift that I bought from a friend for $100. The 292 is pretty weak and didn't like to rev, more like a truck engine where low end torque is desired. I think the 292 did originate as a truck engine, IIRC.

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,358
    Those old Ford Y-block engines were not very good. The design was from the early '50s and replaced the flathead. The 289 was a later generation and incorporated much that had been learned in the interim.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    AGreed. Not a good engine at all. Cracked cylinder heads, overheating, rear main seal leaks. The basic design was faulty internally. There are some machine shop corrections that will help but stock engines will always give you problems.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    A few more

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6177649484.html When a Caddy was a Caddy. Have no idea on the price, but man, that is a nice looking car

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6183441836.html Similar car is featured on Better Call Saul

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6183321829.html Funky color for a muscle car. Can't tell if this is a 350 or 455

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6182983212.html Not quite a fintail
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    That Caddy is very pretty. Nice color combo, and you don't see them too often in silver. Not cheap, but I bet restoration costs can be immense, no doubt better to buy one like that than to restore a heap.

    I can see rust is fighting a battle with that W108. Hopefully not structural. Those cars replaced the 6cyl W111 fintails in 1965, for model year 1966 in the US. Looks maybe a shade lighter in color than my car.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,565
    Nice 442. I assume you are being snide? Only mentions the 455 a bunch of times! I like it a lot, but not sure about that color

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    " Funky color for a muscle car. Can't tell if this is a 350 or 455"

    That is an odd color, anyone know what it was called? As for the 455, do you think the seller is lying? Looks like it's a 455, based on the cutouts in the rear bumper. Wiki says "The rear bumper sported cutouts for exhaust tips, but only when paired with the optional L75 455 CID V8 in place of the standard Oldsmobile 350 V8."

    Amazing how cheap the 442 option by itself was in '72: "The 4-4-2 option package, which carried a modest sticker price of $29, consisted of the "FE2" suspension upgrades (heavy duty springs & shocks, front and rear sway bars, boxed lower rear control arms, and 14- by 7-in [356- by 178-mm] wheels), side striping, fender and decklid badging, faux hood louvers, and a unique grille."
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    fintail said:

    That Caddy is very pretty. Nice color combo, and you don't see them too often in silver. Not cheap, but I bet restoration costs can be immense, no doubt better to buy one like that than to restore a heap.

    I can see rust is fighting a battle with that W108. Hopefully not structural. Those cars replaced the 6cyl W111 fintails in 1965, for model year 1966 in the US. Looks maybe a shade lighter in color than my car.

    The Mercedes is a rat, let's face it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    Too many years sitting outside in the lovely gentle Lawn Guyland climate. It doesn't look abused or messed with, I would rather call it "neglected" :)

    Mr_Shiftright said:


    The Mercedes is a rat, let's face it.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited June 2017
    Abuse is in the eyes of the beholder I guess. I'm noticing ratty interior, funky engine bay, discolored lenses, jammed wiper blades, etc. These weren't all that great a car in the first place---Mercedes had build quality down pat but the new models had teething problems. Fussy starting, harsh shifting and lots of maintenance.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    On top of it, this is a base car, with carbs. Probably not fun if you don't like tinkering. FI was a worthwhile option in those days, not a huge price to pay for an easier driving experience. In my experience, the old FI units are pretty solid.

    To me, it looks like a car that sat outside for 25 years. That'll mess up the wiper parking along with aging the paint and creating rust, not to mention what happens inside, especially if it leaks.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    No FI was the first thing that occurred to me. FI is just such a plus, I'd pass on any car with a carb that had FI available.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,358
    texases said:

    " Funky color for a muscle car. Can't tell if this is a 350 or 455"

    That is an odd color, anyone know what it was called? As for the 455, do you think the seller is lying? Looks like it's a 455, based on the cutouts in the rear bumper. Wiki says "The rear bumper sported cutouts for exhaust tips, but only when paired with the optional L75 455 CID V8 in place of the standard Oldsmobile 350 V8."

    Amazing how cheap the 442 option by itself was in '72: "The 4-4-2 option package, which carried a modest sticker price of $29, consisted of the "FE2" suspension upgrades (heavy duty springs & shocks, front and rear sway bars, boxed lower rear control arms, and 14- by 7-in [356- by 178-mm] wheels), side striping, fender and decklid badging, faux hood louvers, and a unique grille."

    That is not a factory color for a '72 4-4-2.

    In '72 the 4-4-2 option was suspension and trim only. The 455 was optional on top of that. Nice car if you had it repainted. Price is optimistic given that though.


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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Actually there were more than 1,000 built---1,171 to be exact.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    Jersey Shore Maybe

    https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/6167787767.html Can you say in over your head?

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    Thank you for the LAUGH OUT LOUD post of the day. I was going to comment on "I Bought a running 318 with only 90k from a 1986 dodge diplomat." [A REAL hot rod engine, there], but every sentence has another knee-slapper!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    But only ONE of the cylinders needs to be honed. The rest are just fine. ;)
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,358
    OMG. What a debacle!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,565
    so it is scrap?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Not quite but surely not worth more than a parts car at around $1200 or so. Hard to say without seeing it. Might need to be valued by the pound, yes.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,769
    Guy should resell it just as he bought it: one piece at a time.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    edited June 2017
    Too bad he tore down the engine. Don't know how much of a market there is for a 30-year old used low-output v6 V8 (I meant) in buckets...
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    qbrozen said:

    Guy should resell it just as he bought it: one piece at a time.

    Except every part he bought has a problem. Just replaced the taillights. Ones cracked
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,769
    texases said:

    Too bad he tore down the engine. Don't know how much of a market there is for a 30-year old used low-output v6 in buckets...

    well, its a 318 v8, not a 3.8 v6. haha. But still...

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    AGreed. Not a good engine at all. Cracked cylinder heads, overheating, rear main seal leaks. The basic design was faulty internally. There are some machine shop corrections that will help but stock engines will always give you problems.

    A Chevy small block was so much better than a Y block in so many ways.

    A major problem with the Y blocks was getting oil to the rockers. You would see a lot of them with upper oiling devices mounted that would spray oil onto the rockers. Of course the oils of the time didn't help either.

    Pennzoil was the WORST at the time for sludging up engines yet some people insisted on it!
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,358
    isellhondas said:


    Pennzoil was the WORST at the time for sludging up engines yet some people insisted on it!

    Ah, the power of advertising. "Pennsylvania grade crude" - which I understand was high in paraffin which helped create sludge. I dunno if Pennsylvania crude actually had any benefits, but they sure sold it like it did.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited June 2017
    We called them "Pennzoil engines" ! As soon as you pulled a valve cover you could tell.

    But, that was a long time ago. I'm sure things have improved. Still, I won't use the stuff!

    As a kid working part time in a gas station we had a customer who had us add STP instead of oil in his pickup every time it needed a quart AND he used Pennzoil!
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    edited June 2017
    No major source of 'Pennsylvania Crude' now, PA oil production is pretty low compared to it's peak. Most all engine oil is refined and packaged elsewhere.
  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Member Posts: 5,850
    The level of refining that goes into oils that meet GF5 and API SN make the original base oil source irrelevant anymore.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Quaker State was PA oil too IIRC
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,358
    berri said:

    Quaker State was PA oil too IIRC

    Hence the name.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    North Jersey Classics

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6176749524.html I'd imagine a lot of work to restore but could be worth it for a Caddy man

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6189628190.html Parts car?

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6175655927.html Probably rough around the edges?

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6175015407.html When a mini was really mini

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6161641770.html 280 ZX turbo. Don't remember much about these. Good cars?

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6189396290.html Could be a decent driver. Would like more pics

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6186326714.html Forgot these existed. The white bumpers, wing and wheels are not working

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6189247523.html These builds give you the worst ROI possible
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    gsemike said:

    North Jersey Classics

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6176749524.html I'd imagine a lot of work to restore but could be worth it for a Caddy man

    PROBABLY NOT WORTH RESTORING UNLESS YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT ALL DONE FOR AROUND $25k

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6189628190.html Parts car?

    DEFINITELY A PARTS CAR. YOU CAN BUY THESE AS CLEAN DRIVERS FOR AROUND $12,500.

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6175655927.html Probably rough around the edges?

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6175015407.html When a mini was really mini

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6161641770.html 280 ZX turbo. Don't remember much about these. Good cars?

    SHORT MODEL RUN. NOT BAD BUT THIS LOOKS LIKE A TARTED UP RAT. THIS IS THE KIND OF CAR YOU WANT TO BUY ALREADY DONE.

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6189396290.html Could be a decent driver. Would like more pics

    MIGHT BE OK. SEEMS A LITTLE PRICEY BUT MORE PIX PLEASE! COULD BE A DECENT ENTRY-LEVEL INTO THE HOBBY.

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6186326714.html Forgot these existed. The white bumpers, wing and wheels are not working

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6189247523.html These builds give you the worst ROI possible

    HOW APT THAT THERE'S A DOG IN THE PICTURE.

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    edited June 2017
    That Fairlane is interesting. Sure want to check for rust. I guess painting the bumpers is a 'thing'...cheaper than chrome I guess.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    texases said:

    That Fairlane is interesting. Sure want to check for rust. I guess painting the bumpers is a 'thing'...cheaper than chrome I guess.

    Chrome has gotten very expensive
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    edited June 2017
    Yes, my brother has a '52 Packard (a little rough around the edges) that needs chrome, but once he got a price, no way.
    '60s cars with painted bumpers just don't look right to me, though.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,769
    gsemike said:

    North Jersey Classics

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6176749524.html I'd imagine a lot of work to restore but could be worth it for a Caddy man

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6189628190.html Parts car?

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6175655927.html Probably rough around the edges?

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6175015407.html When a mini was really mini

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6161641770.html 280 ZX turbo. Don't remember much about these. Good cars?

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6189396290.html Could be a decent driver. Would like more pics

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6186326714.html Forgot these existed. The white bumpers, wing and wheels are not working

    https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6189247523.html These builds give you the worst ROI possible

    Fury looks interesting but he left out the most important detail: engine size!

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,606
    The description of that '56 Ford begs a question. It states that the engine is a 312 (Thunderbird Special) V-8, and the valve cover would support that, but the fender emblems indicates that the car has a 272.

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