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graphicguy · July 2017

abacomike said:
enewspaper.sun-sentinel.com

The above will take you to the newspaper and then swipe to the left until you reach page 6. The ad is in the top left corner of the page.

39 to 70? I guess I'm profiling, but he's maybe of Russian descent? Thinking he's trying to find a way to stay in this country.

suydam · July 2017

Probably many folks who buy Impalas are like my son -- decent but not great income -- very tall, so the Impala fits well, doesn't care about "driving dynamics" and just wants to get around in comfort. He bought a 2 year old one for half the price of a new one because they depreciate like rocks. He could care less about impressing people with what he drives. It replaced a '98 Le Sabre that he'd still be driving if it hadn't gradually fallen apart after 15 years. I'm not sure how big that demographic is but the Impala is one of the few affordable large cars.

abacomike · July 2017

abacomike · July 2017

The above photo is from my car's display. I found it after looking through the various options for instrument cluster. JM, we both learned something today!

abacomike · July 2017

suydam said:

Probably many folks who buy Impalas are like my son -- decent but not great income -- very tall, so the Impala fits well, doesn't care about "driving dynamics" and just wants to get around in comfort. He bought a 2 year old one for half the price of a new one because they depreciate like rocks. He could care less about impressing people with what he drives. It replaced a '98 Le Sabre that he'd still be driving if it hadn't gradually fallen apart after 15 years. I'm not sure how big that demographic is but the Impala is one of the few affordable large cars.

For the money, it's a great looking car and fits nicely into the car-buying budgets of a large segment of the US population.

imidazol97 · July 2017

How do the horsepower and torque gauges collect their readings? Do they put a dynanometer into each vehicle?

As far as needing to know how many horsepower my Malibu or Cobalt are producing at any particular time, I probably could give all the horses names I'm implementing because the number is low enough 99% of the time.

I'm guessing that the gauges are based on the fuel and air settings the computer is using, so they are approximations. Do they adapt for use of regular, mid, or premium fuels?

oldfarmer50 · July 2017

driver100 said:
Does anyone else have this problem?
As the ads load on the right of the page, my page keeps bouncing up to the top, and I have to find where I was reading each time.

Yep. At least you aren't taken to VW reviews and TCO pages when you hit 'quote'.

imidazol97 · July 2017

abacomike said:

suydam said:

Probably many folks who buy Impalas are like my son -- decent but not great income -- very tall, so the Impala fits well, doesn't care about "driving dynamics" and just wants to get around in comfort. He bought a 2 year old one for half the price of a new one because they depreciate like rocks. He could care less about impressing people with what he drives. It replaced a '98 Le Sabre that he'd still be driving if it hadn't gradually fallen apart after 15 years. I'm not sure how big that demographic is but the Impala is one of the few affordable large cars.

For the money, it's a great looking car and fits nicely into the car-buying budgets of a large segment of the US population.

It's a fine car. Our friend's adult son had their Impala for some reason and he commented how it comes into its own at 100 mph. Likely on I75 between here and where he lives, and I have reason to believe he has a get out of jail card and it ain't from his Monopoly set.

oldfarmer50 · July 2017

bwia said:
This ad would work well in China where there are many leftover women of means and education. An unmarried woman passed age 30 in China is considered a leftover bride and her chances of marriage is almost zero. Besides, Chinese women like white-skinned men, especially those who speak English, so for this guy it would be like shooting for fish in barrel.

I thought that because of China's draconian population control programs and Chinese preference for sons there was a shortage of available women.

roadburner · July 2017

imidazol97 said:
How do the horsepower and torque gauges collect their readings? Do they put a dynanometer into each vehicle?

As far as needing to know how many horsepower my Malibu or Cobalt are producing at any particular time, I probably could give all the horses names I'm implementing because the number is low enough 99% of the time.

I'm guessing that the gauges are based on the fuel and air settings the computer is using, so they are approximations. Do they adapt for use of regular, mid, or premium fuels?

From another site:

The factory Sport display is actually pretty accurate. The display reads 2 parameters from the ECU, that is torque and RPM and calculates the HP based on these numbers using a very simple formula. Since MEVD computers used on these cars are full torque based computers, they rely on proper internal torque readings to provide proper fueling. Since the torque model plays such high importance in the fueling calculations, one can see that this data has to be pretty accurate.

imidazol97 · July 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
Does anyone else have this problem?
As the ads load on the right of the page, my page keeps bouncing up to the top, and I have to find where I was reading each time.
Yep. At least you aren't taken to VW reviews and TCO pages when you hit 'quote'.

Sounds like someone has angered the Vanilla gods. The forum software is based on Vanillaforums, IIRC.

oldfarmer50 · July 2017

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.

abacomike · July 2017

imidazol97 said:

How do the horsepower and torque gauges collect their readings? Do they put a dynanometer into each vehicle?

As far as needing to know how many horsepower my Malibu or Cobalt are producing at any particular time, I probably could give all the horses names I'm implementing because the number is low enough 99% of the time.

I'm guessing that the gauges are based on the fuel and air settings the computer is using, so they are approximations. Do they adapt for use of regular, mid, or premium fuels?

Have no idea. Yes, worthless info!

driver100 · July 2017

My guess is that guy in the newspaper ad is looking for a cougar to look after him. He says nothing about himself, and isn't asking for someone who is self-reliant for example.

The one child law has caused a huge shortage of women in China. I don't think he is looking for a Chinese woman, he just wants a sugar mama.

roadburner · July 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.

Michelin Pilot Super Sports.

graphicguy · July 2017

I think the current gen of Impala and the Malibu are two of the best looking cars the General makes. They've both been out for a bit, but I still give them a 2nd look whenever I see one.

roadburner · July 2017

graphicguy said:
I think the current gen of Impala and the Malibu are two of the best looking cars the General makes. They've both been out for a bit, but I still give them a 2nd look whenever I see one.

They are nice looking. Too bad they aren't RWD V8s...

ab348 · July 2017

I don't mind the Impala, but don't care for the angry-looking frowning face of the Malibu. And the Malibu is also a bit large for my liking.

jmonroe · July 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.

40 MPH in a posted 15 MPH curve? Sounds like you should check your shorts before checking on tires.

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright · July 2017

fintail said:
GM already tried that with a particularly cringy "Real People" Malibu ad, where one of the actors says the Malibu looks like a "BMW Tesla combination". The internet laughed and mocked hard.

driver100 said:

Ladies and gentleman, here is the new 2017 Chev Impala. We tried to make it look as much as we could like a much more expensive Lexus......that should really impress your neighbors!

Well all jokes aside you have to admit that GMs cars have upped their game in the styling department. Those people in the Chevy ad, whether real or not, are expressing the average citizen's inability to tell most modern cars apart.

Of course, once they sit inside a car, they might get a better sense of what the differences really are.

jmonroe · July 2017

abacomike said:
The above photo is from my car's display. I found it after looking through the various options for instrument cluster. JM, we both learned something today!

OK show off, I'm impressed. But, I'd be more impressed if the display was digital. What you are showing us is old tech stuff. Who wants to read between the numbers today and interpolate, huh? By the time a horseometer hits the common mans car it will be digital showing a herd of horses kicking up dust and a digital display above that. Something like the more horsepower being used the bigger the herd of horses in the display along with a larger number displayed AND if you are at or very near full HP all you'll see is dust, along with the digital number, of course. Good things come to those who wait.

Now that is what is called high tech, right?

jmonroe

roadburner · July 2017

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.
40 MPH in a posted 15 MPH curve? Sounds like you should check your shorts before checking on tires.

jmonroe

There are different ways to set curve advisory speeds, but basically the idea is to set the speed at a point where a vehicle travelling though the curve will not exceed 0.28 g of lateral acceleration. A modern minivan or pickup can corner at better than 0.7 g and most serious performance cars can corner at 0.9 g-1.0 g. I usually assume I can at least double an advisory speed when I'm in my 2er, but I usually subtract 5 mph from the advisory and then double it just to be safe.
I also believe that anyone who takes a corner below the posted advisory speed and still rides their brakes through the corner should have their operators license permanently revoked due to rank incompetence.

dino001 · July 2017

abacomike said:

I have it on my new one, too.

driver100 · July 2017

Mr_Shiftright said:

fintail said:
GM already tried that with a particularly cringy "Real People" Malibu ad, where one of the actors says the Malibu looks like a "BMW Tesla combination". The internet laughed and mocked hard.

driver100 said:

Ladies and gentleman, here is the new 2017 Chev Impala. We tried to make it look as much as we could like a much more expensive Lexus......that should really impress your neighbors!

Well all jokes aside you have to admit that GMs cars have upped their game in the styling department. Those people in the Chevy ad, whether real or not, are expressing the average citizen's inability to tell most modern cars apart.

Of course, once they sit inside a car, they might get a better sense of what the differences really are.

And, once they drive the car....they may really notice a difference!

driver100 · July 2017

jmonroe said:

abacomike said:
The above photo is from my car's display. I found it after looking through the various options for instrument cluster. JM, we both learned something today!
OK show off, I'm impressed. But, I'd be more impressed if the display was digital. What you are showing us is old tech stuff. Who wants to read between the numbers today and interpolate, huh? By the time a horseometer hits the common mans car it will be digital showing a herd of horses kicking up dust and a digital display above that. Something like the more horsepower being used the bigger the herd of horses in the display along with a larger number displayed AND if you are at or very near full HP all you'll see is dust, along with the digital number, of course. Good things come to those who wait.

Now that is what is called high tech, right?

jmonroe

I would like to see that too! A digital readout showing 400 horses running.

Apparently the C400 has that feature. If mine has it I haven't found it yet!

Mr_Shiftright · July 2017

A ponyometer? Equinometer?

jmonroe · July 2017

roadburner said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.
40 MPH in a posted 15 MPH curve? Sounds like you should check your shorts before checking on tires.

jmonroe
There are different ways to set curve advisory speeds, but basically the idea is to set the speed at a point where a vehicle travelling though the curve will not exceed 0.28 g of lateral acceleration. A modern minivan or pickup can corner at better than 0.7 g and most serious performance cars can corner at 0.9 g-1.0 g. I usually assume I can at least double an advisory speed when I'm in my 2er, but I usually subtract 5 mph from the advisory and then double it just to be safe.
I also believe that anyone who takes a corner below the posted advisory speed and still rides their brakes through the corner should have their operators license permanently revoked due to rank incompetence.

That seems to be a pretty good seat of the pants formula you use. So, that means our menacing, soon to be retired school bus driver, is breaking what you would take a 15 MPH curve at by a factor of two. He's pretty daring driving his Mustang. I wonder if he'd do that with his cherished hoopties.

About the drivers that just can't or won't go a little faster than the posted limit, even in a curve, are pretty bad drivers in my book and are dangerous too. We've all seen the drivers who are compelled to tap their brake as soon as the pointer is the least bit above the posted limit when the road ahead of them is open. Sending out false signals to the drivers behind you is a big cause of fender bender accidents. I get away from these people as fast as I can.

I'd rather them grow their train behind me while I am way ahead of them.

jmonroe

jmonroe · July 2017

Mr_Shiftright said:
A ponyometer? Equinometer?

Yep, now you're talkin.

jmonroe

abacomike · July 2017

driver100 said:

The above photo is from my car's display. I found it after looking through the various options for instrument cluster. JM, we both learned something today!

OK show off, I'm impressed. But, I'd be more impressed if the display was digital. What you are showing us is old tech stuff. Who wants to read between the numbers today and interpolate, huh? By the time a horseometer hits the common mans car it will be digital showing a herd of horses kicking up dust and a digital display above that. Something like the more horsepower being used the bigger the herd of horses in the display along with a larger number displayed AND if you are at or very near full HP all you'll see is dust, along with the digital number, of course. Good things come to those who wait.

Now that is what is called high tech, right?

jmonroe

I would like to see that too! A digital readout showing 400 horses running.

Apparently the C400 has that feature. If mine has it I haven't found it yet!

You do have it driver. Go into driving dynamics and select a few options - you'll find it in there. My CLS400 had a display like that and that's where I found the gauges,

andres3 · July 2017

dino001 said:

fintail said:
Kind of reminds me how listed prices of an item on a shelf in Europe always include tax, but here, tax is a "gotcha" added at the register.

If minimum wage had kept up with CPI/inflation indices since the zenith of the middle class in ~1968, there might be more of a European style tipping culture. I think the 15-20% "rule" is something that has really became a rule in the past 30 or so years, as things have trickled down.

dino001 said:

I hate concept of tipping, as it is done in the US. I tip, because it's expected and because the so-called employer doesn't pay his people properly. I should not be the one to decide on compensation of the employee. When the restaurateur puts his menu out saying the meal is 20 dollars, he is essentially lying.

I feel like that percentage "rule" keeps creeping up. Now you see those payment terminals at restaurants or taxi cabs (or websites) to prompt you with a tip with a choice of a number, where 18 percent is a minimum number, going to 20, to 25. Moreover, the tip used to be based on value prior tax - no more. Now it's based on value with tax. I was recently turned off in Panera Bread - they now have a "would you like to leave a tip? Yes/No" button at their registers (that's before they even hand the food to you). I refuse to be morally blackmailed - consistently press no.

A business asking you to tip the sales tax is morally reprehensible to me. They should know better than to calculate 15, 18, or 20% on the total amount which includes sales tax. Why would you tip a governmental charge? That charge has nothing to do with the meal. It is independent of what you purchase.

oldfarmer50 · July 2017

graphicguy said:

abacomike said:
enewspaper.sun-sentinel.com

The above will take you to the newspaper and then swipe to the left until you reach page 6. The ad is in the top left corner of the page.
39 to 70? I guess I'm profiling, but he's maybe of Russian descent? Thinking he's trying to find a way to stay in this country.

For a while I was getting spam emails from Olga or some other Russian sounding name suggesting we meet for some "fun". Other than annoying my wife poor Olga never got any traction.

I suspect she is now selling late model cars for cheap on Craigslist.

oldfarmer50 · July 2017

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.
Michelin Pilot Super Sports.

My thoughts exactly. Plus some sway bar upgrades and a nice exhaust system.

Now I'll have to go back to work to afford all that. Any lot boy job openings at your store?

jmonroe · July 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

abacomike said:
enewspaper.sun-sentinel.com

The above will take you to the newspaper and then swipe to the left until you reach page 6. The ad is in the top left corner of the page.
39 to 70? I guess I'm profiling, but he's maybe of Russian descent? Thinking he's trying to find a way to stay in this country.
For a while I was getting spam emails from Olga or some other Russian sounding name suggesting we meet for some "fun". Other than annoying my wife poor Olga never got any traction.

I suspect she is now selling late model cars for cheap on Craigslist.

If nothing else, Olga knows hot to get in touch with you.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · July 2017

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.
40 MPH in a posted 15 MPH curve? Sounds like you should check your shorts before checking on tires.

jmonroe

Well yeah it was posted but I thought they were kidding.

roadburner · July 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.
Michelin Pilot Super Sports.

My thoughts exactly. Plus some sway bar upgrades and a nice exhaust system.

Now I'll have to go back to work to afford all that. Any lot boy job openings at your store?

There was, actually- it was filled just a week or so ago...

oldfarmer50 · July 2017

roadburner said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.
40 MPH in a posted 15 MPH curve? Sounds like you should check your shorts before checking on tires.

jmonroe
There are different ways to set curve advisory speeds, but basically the idea is to set the speed at a point where a vehicle travelling though the curve will not exceed 0.28 g of lateral acceleration. A modern minivan or pickup can corner at better than 0.7 g and most serious performance cars can corner at 0.9 g-1.0 g. I usually assume I can at least double an advisory speed when I'm in my 2er, but I usually subtract 5 mph from the advisory and then double it just to be safe.
I also believe that anyone who takes a corner below the posted advisory speed and still rides their brakes through the corner should have their operators license permanently revoked due to rank incompetence.

You guys got me curious so I checked:

.91g

Not too bad for all seasons.

Makes me want to get me some Pilot Sports and try it again.

Michaell · July 2017

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I don't have anything cool like that as far as I know. The Ford does have a G meter display. Today I took an unexpected 15mph turn at 40 and nearly learned the limits of my Perrelli all season tires.

I'll have to check the G meter and Tire Rack for some summer tires.
40 MPH in a posted 15 MPH curve? Sounds like you should check your shorts before checking on tires.

jmonroe
There are different ways to set curve advisory speeds, but basically the idea is to set the speed at a point where a vehicle travelling though the curve will not exceed 0.28 g of lateral acceleration. A modern minivan or pickup can corner at better than 0.7 g and most serious performance cars can corner at 0.9 g-1.0 g. I usually assume I can at least double an advisory speed when I'm in my 2er, but I usually subtract 5 mph from the advisory and then double it just to be safe.
I also believe that anyone who takes a corner below the posted advisory speed and still rides their brakes through the corner should have their operators license permanently revoked due to rank incompetence.
You guys got me curious so I checked:

.91G

Not too bad for all seasons.

Makes me want to get me some Pilot Sports and try it again.

Careful, you'll end up like all those Mustangs on YouTube exiting the "Cars and Coffee" get togethers.

Almost as many of those as there are "Camry Dents"

@roadburner - I met a BMW genius on Saturday. She seemed to hold more of an introduction and handoff role. Does the job description differ based on knowledge and experience?

jpp75 · July 2017

Michaell said:

Careful, you'll end up like all those Mustangs on YouTube exiting the "Cars and Coffee" get togethers.

Almost as many of those as there are "Camry Dents"

@roadburner - I met a BMW genius on Saturday. She seemed to hold more of an introduction and handoff role. Does the job description differ based on knowledge and experience?

Speaking of "Camry Dents" I saw this in my parking garage this morning.

roadburner · July 2017

Michaell said:

@roadburner - I met a BMW genius on Saturday. She seemed to hold more of an introduction and handoff role. Does the job description differ based on knowledge and experience?

The job description from BMW is essentially that of a product specialist, but the individual dealer implementation is all over the place.

andres3 · July 2017

qbrozen said:
Not the least bit worried about our Chrysler. Of course, we do have a lifetime B-to-B warranty.

I think there were many Chrysler owners worried about their Chrysler warranties late in 2008 and early in 2009 before Bush and Obama forked over some big time cash to keep things going.

driver100 · July 2017

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

abacomike said:
The above photo is from my car's display. I found it after looking through the various options for instrument cluster. JM, we both learned something today!

OK show off, I'm impressed. But, I'd be more impressed if the display was digital. What you are showing us is old tech stuff. Who wants to read between the numbers today and interpolate, huh? By the time a horseometer hits the common mans car it will be digital showing a herd of horses kicking up dust and a digital display above that. Something like the more horsepower being used the bigger the herd of horses in the display along with a larger number displayed AND if you are at or very near full HP all you'll see is dust, along with the digital number, of course. Good things come to those who wait.

Now that is what is called high tech, right?

jmonroe

I would like to see that too! A digital readout showing 400 horses running.

Apparently the C400 has that feature. If mine has it I haven't found it yet!

You do have it driver. Go into driving dynamics and select a few options - you'll find it in there. My CLS400 had a display like that and that's where I found the gauges,

Thanks Mike....I will check it out.....a new toy!

Michaell · July 2017

jpp5862 said:

Michaell said:

Careful, you'll end up like all those Mustangs on YouTube exiting the "Cars and Coffee" get togethers.

Almost as many of those as there are "Camry Dents"

@roadburner - I met a BMW genius on Saturday. She seemed to hold more of an introduction and handoff role. Does the job description differ based on knowledge and experience?
Speaking of "Camry Dents" I saw this in my parking garage this morning.

An "Accord Dent"!

Nice.

driver100 · July 2017

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

abacomike said:
enewspaper.sun-sentinel.com

The above will take you to the newspaper and then swipe to the left until you reach page 6. The ad is in the top left corner of the page.
39 to 70? I guess I'm profiling, but he's maybe of Russian descent? Thinking he's trying to find a way to stay in this country.
For a while I was getting spam emails from Olga or some other Russian sounding name suggesting we meet for some "fun". Other than annoying my wife poor Olga never got any traction.

I suspect she is now selling late model cars for cheap on Craigslist.
If nothing else, Olga knows hot to get in touch with you.

jmonroe

I wonder if that is the same Olga who wants to meet me!

Michaell · July 2017

roadburner said:

Michaell said:

@roadburner - I met a BMW genius on Saturday. She seemed to hold more of an introduction and handoff role. Does the job description differ based on knowledge and experience?
The job description from BMW is essentially that of a product specialist, but the individual dealer implementation is all over the place.

The young lady I encountered on Saturday was probably mid-20's. I was interested in sitting in a CPO 320i (link to the car is in CCBA), so she had to grab a salesman who could unlock the doors. Not real sure if she could tell me anything about the car that I didn't already know.

stickguy · July 2017

sounds more like the greeter you get at most stores. Actually, Saturn had this function back when they first started. Someone that met you, showed you around, and got you to someone for a test drive or to write up an order.

Michaell · July 2017

stickguy said:
sounds more like the greeter you get at most stores. Actually, Saturn had this function back when they first started. Someone that met you, showed you around, and got you to someone for a test drive or to write up an order.

Funny, having bought 4 new Saturns over the years, I don't recall that ever happening.

I've encountered that at several different brands here in Denver. I'm ok with it, but with the whole "Genius" concept at BMW I was curious if what I experienced was consistent with other dealers.

imidazol97 · July 2017

said:
... don't care for the angry-looking frowning face of the Malibu.

I don't see the anger or frown. The fog lights have led running lights angling down above them.

stickguy · July 2017

I like the styling of the Malibu, but I just don't care for the typical Chevy dash design.

imidazol97 · July 2017

stickguy said:
I like the styling of the Malibu, but I just don't care for the typical Chevy dash design.

But the rear seat is like a limousine. I was testing rear seat again in the showroom that dealer was offering as a 7000 mile courtesy car with $6000 of list!!! Bright pearl red. LOL

ab348 · July 2017

imidazol97 said:

said:
... don't care for the angry-looking frowning face of the Malibu.
I don't see the anger or frown. The fog lights have led running lights angling down above them.

Not a happy face:

The loaner I had also had a dismal all-black interior. A bit of contrast-toned material would have been nice.

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