I just keep thinking how cheap their oil could be sold if it weren't going through the multilevel marketing scam. It doesn't meet certifications; it's the type sold in the off brand discount stores--Harbor Freight could probably move quite a bit of it.
They use an offense to defend not getting it certified as quality oil meeting requirements. When the owners manual for my car says to use 6096B specification oil for my one motor, that's what I want to see on the bottle label that's going into the car.
When Scamzoil representatives say stuff like the following (something that happens all too frequently):
"I am just clearing up misconceptions stated here that AMSOIL will void a warranty, when the facts are that it never has in 37 years."
Sorry, but it's the truth. Please find one case where AMSOIL voided a warranty.
"Fact; if the oil isn't on the list of approved and certified oils and an engine fails during the warranty period, VW and Audi (in this specific case), can, will, and more importantly has voided the engine portion of the warranty."
That is not a fact. Please provide where VW or Audi state that for the US and North America.
AMSOIL would rather put their money into making the best motor oils, rather than spending money on getting on hundreds of manufacturers list, which would raise the price and be of no benefit to anyone in the US and Canada.
"I just keep thinking how cheap their oil could be sold if it weren't going through the multilevel marketing scam. It doesn't meet certifications; it's the type sold in the off brand discount stores--Harbor Freight could probably move quite a bit of it."
There is no scam.
AMSOIL would be more expensive if they had to pay for thousands of employees, huge skyscrapers, retirement funds, CEO bonuses, stock options, shareholder payouts, loans, etc. like Big Oil has to.
It does meet the vehicle manufacturers specifications, has never voided a warranty, and has it's own warranty should the oil ever fail, which it hasn't.
AMSOIL is sold at many retail stores (most of my 330 accounts), but many customers prefer to buy directly from AMSOIL or AMSOIL Dealers to save money by cutting out the retailer, who raises the price.
AMSOIL is likely the least expensive oil per mile when you figure extended oil change intervals and fuel savings. This is why it is used by huge fleets, such as the Texas State Police, Texas Parks and Wildlife, and many more.
"They use an offense to defend not getting it certified as quality oil meeting requirements. When the owners manual for my car says to use 6096B specification oil for my one motor, that's what I want to see on the bottle label that's going into the car."
What is 6096B specification oil? What year/make/model/engine specifies only that oil? AMSOIL lists many specifications on their bottle labels.
"I don't think certification is *required* (that is, the actual evidence of a certificate). But meeting the standards is required." Bingo! You are correct for the US and Canada.
"Now then, how do you prove you've met the standards without the certification?" You list the standards you meet on the label and Product Data Sheets for the world to see. If a competitor or manufacturer does not think you meet the standard, they will test and prove it, to gain a competitive edge. Just like Castrol did to Mobil 1 5w30 which they showed did not meet the wear specification that Mobil 1 claimed. And when Castrol took Royal Purple to task for unsubstantiated claims, forcing RP to change their claims.
Also by providing products that have never failed, nor voided a warranty, you prove that you meet the vehicle manufacturers requirements.
API certifies oil. But quite often when they go to the shelf, purchase some API Certified oil, and have it tested, sometimes it does not meet the certification. Certification is no guarantee that an oil meets the manufacturers specifications.
How come every salesman who comes into this forum gets angry & argumentative when talking about their product? If it's that good, the product should be able to sell itself...period, just like Mobil1 without the added drama which is always there. And if this brand of oil is not on "all" the lists of approved motor oils for vehicles, they need to be. Personally, I wouldn't use an oil that wasn't on these lists...leaves to many doubts as to why they're not there and maybe their product isn't as good as their competition.
I know almost nothing about oil products really, but people in here like Shipo and Ruking don't need the drama to recommend certain oils, unlike the Amsoil folks. And none of the mechanics I've used over these past many years even mentions Amsoil...they all seem to love Mobil1 actually as the best synthetic oil. Maybe Amsoil should spend the extra $ to have their oils tested if they believe in their products that much. By using the strategy that they don't need to or whatever doesn't pass the smell test...and is why I'd never even look to try any of their products. Their lack of transparancy(?) speaks volumes about their sales tactics & products!
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I'm not angry or even argumentative. Just providing facts to dispel these oil old wives tales. And asking for documentation from others who claim "facts".
The product does a great job of selling itself. All most have to do is try it. AMSOIL has doubled sales in the past 5 years, something Mobil 1 hasn't been able to do. Most oils are losing market share. I get a lot of calls from people who have heard great things about AMSOIL and want to try it. They do, buy more, and tell others.
AMSOIL provides more technical information on their website than any other oil. Around 6,000 pages last I heard. Product Data Sheets, Application Guides, Material Safety Data Sheets, Technical hotlines, undisputed independent ASTM brand name comparisons, monthly publications, very clear extended oil recommendations and warranties. They are the largest independent synthetic oil company in the world.
Meets or exceeds the requirements of API SM, ILSAC GF-4, ACEA A5/B5-04. Meets Chrysler MS 63950, Ford WSS-M2C929-A, GM 6094M, GM4718M and Honda HTO-06 on the bottle.
Does Amzoil put "We don't want to spend the money to show it, but this oil meets all sorts of specifications. We just can't prove it." on the bottles?
Meets or exceeds the requirements of API SM, ILSAC GF-4, ACEA A5/B5-04. Meets Chrysler MS 63950, Ford WSS-M2C929-A, GM 6094M, GM4718M and Honda HTO-06 on the bottle."
Ummm....AMSOIL says the same thing on their bottles, and more. From their 35,000 mile 0w30.
• API SM/CF, SL, SJ • ILSAC GF-4, 3 • ACEA A5/B5 • GM 4718M, 6094M • Ford WSS-M2C929-A • Daimler Chrysler MS-6395N • VW 503.00 • Honda/Acura HTO-06
I spend less time (>75%) and money (50%) on oil and related goods now than I did three years ago before I first started using Amsoil products. Yes, per quantity, Amsoil is much more expensive than most other oils, but I use so much less than other brands that the up-front cost is meaningless.
I figure if my Dodge Caravan can happily use Amsoil Universal ATF (which, by the way, was a little cheaper than the "required" ATF+4, at least locally), even with its notoriously finicky transmission, an Amsoil product that says it meets a specification does meet that specification.
But, again, this is my own experience and your results may vary.
2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
Me too. Once a year oil and filter change on 5 vehicles and a generator and I'm done. The Amsoil MTF fluid cured the well known manual transmission shifting problems in my Honda Civic Si i-VTEC. The Honda mechanic couldn't believe the difference a fluid could make when he changed it over from the low mileage Honda "certified" fluid. He was wanting to change the synchros. Many on the Honda Civic Si i-VTEC board have also experienced the same thing.
I am a firm believer in synthetic oils and have used Castrol Synthetic for more then 10 plus years.. and now that we Have a newer jeep Commander.. one of the first thing in the jeep is of course the Castrol synthetic oils.
The synthetic may cost a bit more.. but over all look at what your doing for the environment.. and not using the "real" stuff.. sending the "oil" back to whee it came from.
I am free to sell other motor oils, just can't find one that is equal to or better than AMSOIL, in the amount of the sales price I get to keep, so why bother?
(fixed that for ya, you must have been typing too fast and left out a bunch of words) :P
Oh, I know, by switching from petroleum base oils to synthetic oils produced from a whole batch of nasty toxic stuff, now my carbon foot print has gone down 1/2 a size.
I can sleep better at night, knowing im' doing my part, now i just got to get my green peace sticker, slap it on my Volvo, and race down to the whole foods store so i can protest the high price of albacore.
When the owners manual for my car says to use 6096B specification oil for my one motor, that's what I want to see on the bottle label that's going into the car. Amen. Same for me. If oil bottle has no spec required by car manufacturer I don't care what seller said. No "junk" in my engine
The slight of hand that some oil companies use is to say something like, "This oil has been designed to meet or exceed the 6096B specification."
Unfortunately many folks miss the fact that the above language doesn't say, "This oil has been certified to meet or exceed the 6096B specification." For my part, only oil that has been certified to meet the requirements of my cars will go into said cars.
Saw a commercial earlier which was about Nascar and Mobil1 and was wondering why these Amsoil folks don't use the same marketing tools to get their message out? If the goal is to sell more product and get your name out in the real world, seems like spending some $ would be the way to go. And getting as much documented certification should also be the 1st order of business. Most folks will use products that have been certified, myself included, and don't want the drama of a product that most have never heard of that might not be as good as the industry leaders. I personally don't buy the excuse that we don't feel it's necessary to get the certification because our products are so good...it don't pass the smell test.
Most people when asked about synthetic oil will mention Mobil1 then Castrol...name recognition is the name of the game folks if increased sales are the goal. And a more positive approach about the product would help also...every Amsoil poster/seller that has come into these forums has had an attitude problem, not just the current poster. Just don't get it, if the product is that good...it should be able to sell itself, PERIOD!
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AMSOIL DOES use similar marketing. AMSOIL is the officia oil/sponsor for AMA motocross/supercross/ATV/Pro Road Racing, Sturgis and Daytona Bike Weeks, Traxxis Torc off road racing, Monster Truck, Snowcross, ARMA, F1 Offshore Boat Racing, and many others which are seen on SPEED and NBC.
Being "Certified" in the US and Canada is their last order of business as it is not required by any vehicle manufacturer. AMSOIL is only marketed in the US and Canada, not world wide like the companies you see on "certified" lists and the consumer laws in other countries do not protect the consumer like those in the US and Canada, so the vehicle manufacturers can more easily coerce those oil companies into paying to be put on their lists.
Mobil 1 and Castrol are international brands. AMSOIL is just a family owned US business. You just have to decide if you want to spend your money and send jobs to other companies, or keep them here in the US.
If increased sales are the goal, Mobil 1 and Castrol aren't doing well as they are losing market share. AMSOIL has had double digit growth every year for the past 20 years and expect to double sales in 5 years.
Exxon likely spends more money on advertising than any other motor oil company. If their product was that good, it should be able to see itself, PERIOD!
Dude, you've got to give it a rest. Until your Gods at Amsoil put their money where their collective mouthes are and have their oil certified to meet manufacturer specifications, I'm no more likely to put it in my engines than I am to pour in a load of bilge oil from a tramp steamer. Said another way, until they obtain independent proof and certification that their oil is any good, then it isn't.
Well I will say that AMSOIL certainly floods every conceivable arena with company propaganda. They "own" Google. Try and find any independent analysis of the AMSOIL company through internet searching. I dare you. You can't get past the flak.
How does one check up on these claims? How can one compare a regular oil company to this type of MLM company?
This approach rather reminds me of politics---you get lots of media but not a great deal of substance. It's hard to figure out what it all means.
I'm sure the products are decent--it's just that there is so much cheerleading, hype, and arm-twisting going on, there's too much smoke in the room.
Of course, on another level, this is all hair-splitting. In the end, how much difference will it make between modern oil products, to the actual life of your car--presuming of course you do very good maintenance and buy good products?
Amsoil meets all vehicle waranties. Their oil has never failed or voided any warranty when used as directed. They are the only oil that is recommended and warranted for up to 50,000 miles up to one year, whichever comes first. They offer 5 API certified oils if that is important to you. I'd like to see other US oil companies back their products like Amsoil, but they don't.
"Being "Certified" in the US and Canada is their last order of business as it is not required by any vehicle manufacturer."
You keep saying that, but saying it over and over and over again (apparently a favorite tactic of the Scamzoil crowd) will not make it so. If one owns a BMW, an Audi, a VW, a Mercedes-Benz, a Mini-Cooper, a Porsche, certain Hondas (the list goes on), and Amsoil is used, the vehicle manufacturer is within their rights to deny warranty coverage for the engine.
"AMSOIL is only marketed in the US and Canada, not world wide like the companies you see on "certified" lists..."
Geez, just like a typical Scamzoil salesman, trying to cloud the issue with lies and an oily smoke screen. Of the list of certified oils on the VW/Audi approval list, many-many of those oils small local companies (smaller than Amsoil even) that do not distribute beyond their local geographic region. Those companies stepped up to the plate and had their oils certified, why not Amsoil? My bet is because the Amsoil product is inferior.
"...and the consumer laws in other countries do not protect the consumer like those in the US and Canada, so the vehicle manufacturers can more easily coerce those oil companies into paying to be put on their lists."
I guessing that you're referring to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act of 1975. Yes? Assuming that you are, under law a manufacturer cannot say, "To maintain warranty coverage on your car you must use only our oil," however, they are well within their rights to say, "Here is a list of approved and certified products that must be used for the maintenance of our vehicles to maintain warranty coverage."
"They are the only oil that is recommended and warranted for up to 50,000 miles up to one year, whichever comes first."
ROTFLMAO! Geez you Scamzoil guys kill me. Funny thing, I've spent hours crawling through the UOA reports over on BITOG, and I've never yet seen an Amsoil UOA that showed healthy oil much beyond the fifteen thousand mile mark without significant modification to the car. Even then the UOAs don't look very good much past the twenty thousand mile mark. I'd love to see a UOA from oil that was run for fifty thousand miles, my bet is that it'll show an engine that is well on its way to being junk.
Idependent performance test data on Amsoil and their competitors is easily found on the Amsoil web site. Look at the white papers, brochures and all other data comparing Amsoil performance to competitors using ASTM test procedures. All undisputed by their competitors, all performed by independent labs.
could we dispense with the "scamzoil" jibe please? Amsoil gets enough negative press from gadflies all over the Internet--no need to pile it on and instigate an argument. Thank you.
Ask any vehicle manufacturer if using an Amsoil recommended oil will void their warrant and they will tell you it won't in the US and Canada. It never has.
Sorry, did that already; both VW and BMW told me that Amsoil was not approved for their cars and that I had to use an oil that was approved. I'll look through my files and post the content of one or both letters if I find them. If I don't I'm tempted to ask again, just to put some closure to this discussion.
Ask them to put in writing that Amsoil will void their warranty in the US and Canada. They won't. Because it won't. It never has. Proof is in the pudding, not in paying to be put on a recommendation list
AMSOIL makes this stuff called "European Synthetic Oil" or something like that, which claims to be approved by BMW, but the BMW site doesn't list it....so I dunno.... :confuse:
My point exactly, unless Amsoil has an approved oil for any given application, then they have no oils fit for the job. Said another way, Amsoil ranks right up there with seventy-five cent grocery store brand oil when it comes to maintaining a warranty on a new BMW or VW (among others). Regardless of how many times Amsoil and its many proponents say otherwise, an oil isn't fit for use unless it is approved via an independent certification laboratory. Furthermore, unless an oil is certified and placed on the approved list, manufacturers can and will deny warranty coverage.
What I don't understand is why Amsoil sales folks continue to come here and cloud the issues with half-truths and outright falsehoods, and why they are tolerated. :confuse:
Amsoil has provided API certified synthetic oils for 37 years, longer than any other synthetic oil. No vehicle manufacturer has ever said Amsoil is not fit for use or will ever void a warranty which it never has. Amsoil sees no reason to pay hundreds of vehicle and equipment manufacturers tons of money to be on their lists which is not required in the US or Canada for warranty coverage. Amsoil also provides their own warranty coverage for more miles than any other company.
BMW is just listing a few oils they recommend because they paid the fee to BMW. They do not say it is required only to use these oils to maintain the warranty, and do not say that using any other oil will void your warranty.
If fact if you read further down, they do say that other oils meeting the recommended SAE viscosity and API ratings can be used, which of course, AMSOIL and many other oil brands meet.
Warranties only cover named parts by the vehicle manufacturer against manufacturing defects. It is not dependent on the oil brand used. If the oil causes the part to fail, which is easily determined by oil and parts analysis, then the warranted part would not be covered. Some oil companies warranties would cover the part, some do not. AMSOIL does.
AMSOIL has been used in thousands of BMW's since 1972 and has never caused a part failure or voided any warranty.
When in doubt, you can always contact the vehicle manufacturer and/or the oil manufacturer to see if the use of a specific oil will void a warranty, or if the oil itself provides it's own warranty.
What does the API ratings have to do with the specific standards such as VW 502.00 and BMW LL-01? The fact is that manufacturer specifications are much more stringent than the lowly API spec. Like I said before, given that Amsoil has opted to not have their oil certified, then their oils are no better than rot-gut grocery store brand oil when it comes to caring for most European cars.
Please stop clouding the issue with a lot of noise, the fact is that unless Amsoil steps up to the plate has has their oil certified, then it cannot be used to maintain a new vehicle warranty.
I don't care what warranty Amsoil has. It has never appeared on any list of oils that meet VW specs for my car that I have seen. Therefore, it will not go in my car.
What possible reason would there be to put a non-approved oil in. Why create an unnecessary question, if there should be a problem, by using amsoil, when there are plenty of other options out there that would not create a question should a problem occur. I'm pretty sure my 2.5 VW engine would probably be just fine with about any oil, even conventional, but it is not worth taking that risk to save a couple bucks on oil changes.
As someone else indicated, I'd stay away from amsoil, in any case, as I would not want to support their MLM system that creates armies of dealers that clog up discussions with endless promotion of their product. IOW, your marketing is back-firing, at least in my case.
A search for "amsoil european" reveals that they want $8.80 per quart. Shortly before doing that search, I happened to see a local store ad for Mobil 1 at $5.50.
So what is the point of this amsoil stuff, again? Why would I pay a 60% premium over mobil 1?
"What does the API ratings have to do with the specific standards such as VW 502.00 and BMW LL-01?" Feel free to ask BMW. In your list of oils they also say "Use only oils with an API rating of SM or higher." And "Use only oils with an API rating of SJ/CF, SK/CF or higher." Which of course, AMSOIL is.
"As someone else indicated, I'd stay away from amsoil, in any case, as I would not want to support their MLM system that creates armies of dealers that clog up discussions with endless promotion of their product. IOW, your marketing is back-firing, at least in my case."
So you would rather support the economies of foreign countries, by not only sending your money there, but jobs as well? AMSOIL is an American company, using American vendors, that develops thousands of independent American businesses every year.
If you want to discuss AMSOIL products, you should expect people to participate that know the facts.
You are absolutely correct!!! That AMSOIL should sell itself.....If you take a look at the latest NOLN - National oil and lube news magazine...you will see that AMSOIL has made the pie chart at the 4% mark..which has doubled in the past 2 years....and it has made it without certification, it has made it without spending a a penny on a national adveritising campaign on TV ...The only reason why people prefer Mobil 1 and Castrol is because they have seen 30 second commercials 50 times a day for the last 1000 years.....and all they know is a name.....they have no concept of quality..... it is a science to formulate motor oils... do you think many people in this world have passed their chemisty class? or have even taken the class??? or even care about chemistry??? and do you think those 30 second commercials really describe in detail the quality of the oils being promoted?? WOW...How convincing, those commercials you have seen referring to oil quality when the engine jumps out of the car ....or when a car is traveling down a road surrounded by Impalas.....That really tells you about protection......... The bottom line....ifrom your own words... AMSOIL should and does sell itself.....and you won't find AMSOIL in the nationally known retail chains or auto part stores..........so how does AMSOIL sell so much oil???? Must be good some sh _ t....... the "EDUCATED" consumer knows the difference....and uses AMSOIL...
"So you would rather support the economies of foreign countries, by not only sending your money there, but jobs as well? AMSOIL is an American company, using American vendors, that develops thousands of independent American businesses every year. "
Absolutely! (I am however surprised to learn that Exxon-Mobil is not an American company and has not a single American employee)
You apparently think that I should essentially do the equivalent of the following: Buy Mobil 1 for $5.50 and then send $3.30 to you because you are an independent American businessman.
"If you want to discuss AMSOIL products..,"
I don't. Nor do I want to discuss Amway products, Avon products, Mary Kay products, Tupperware, Pampered Chef products, Partylite products, etc.
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They use an offense to defend not getting it certified as quality oil meeting requirements. When the owners manual for my car says to use 6096B specification oil for my one motor, that's what I want to see on the bottle label that's going into the car.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
When Scamzoil representatives say stuff like the following (something that happens all too frequently):
"I am just clearing up misconceptions stated here that AMSOIL will void a warranty, when the facts are that it never has in 37 years."
Sorry, but it's the truth. Please find one case where AMSOIL voided a warranty.
"Fact; if the oil isn't on the list of approved and certified oils and an engine fails during the warranty period, VW and Audi (in this specific case), can, will, and more importantly has voided the engine portion of the warranty."
That is not a fact. Please provide where VW or Audi state that for the US and North America.
AMSOIL would rather put their money into making the best motor oils, rather than spending money on getting on hundreds of manufacturers list, which would raise the price and be of no benefit to anyone in the US and Canada.
Now then, how do you prove you've met the standards without the certification?
I don't know.
There is no scam.
AMSOIL would be more expensive if they had to pay for thousands of employees, huge skyscrapers, retirement funds, CEO bonuses, stock options, shareholder payouts, loans, etc. like Big Oil has to.
It does meet the vehicle manufacturers specifications, has never voided a warranty, and has it's own warranty should the oil ever fail, which it hasn't.
AMSOIL is sold at many retail stores (most of my 330 accounts), but many customers prefer to buy directly from AMSOIL or AMSOIL Dealers to save money by cutting out the retailer, who raises the price.
AMSOIL is likely the least expensive oil per mile when you figure extended oil change intervals and fuel savings. This is why it is used by huge fleets, such as the Texas State Police, Texas Parks and Wildlife, and many more.
"They use an offense to defend not getting it certified as quality oil meeting requirements. When the owners manual for my car says to use 6096B specification oil for my one motor, that's what I want to see on the bottle label that's going into the car."
What is 6096B specification oil? What year/make/model/engine specifies only that oil? AMSOIL lists many specifications on their bottle labels.
"Now then, how do you prove you've met the standards without the certification?" You list the standards you meet on the label and Product Data Sheets for the world to see. If a competitor or manufacturer does not think you meet the standard, they will test and prove it, to gain a competitive edge. Just like Castrol did to Mobil 1 5w30 which they showed did not meet the wear specification that Mobil 1 claimed. And when Castrol took Royal Purple to task for unsubstantiated claims, forcing RP to change their claims.
Also by providing products that have never failed, nor voided a warranty, you prove that you meet the vehicle manufacturers requirements.
API certifies oil. But quite often when they go to the shelf, purchase some API Certified oil, and have it tested, sometimes it does not meet the certification. Certification is no guarantee that an oil meets the manufacturers specifications.
I know almost nothing about oil products really, but people in here like Shipo and Ruking don't need the drama to recommend certain oils, unlike the Amsoil folks. And none of the mechanics I've used over these past many years even mentions Amsoil...they all seem to love Mobil1 actually as the best synthetic oil. Maybe Amsoil should spend the extra $ to have their oils tested if they believe in their products that much. By using the strategy that they don't need to or whatever doesn't pass the smell test...and is why I'd never even look to try any of their products. Their lack of transparancy(?) speaks volumes about their sales tactics & products!
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The product does a great job of selling itself. All most have to do is try it. AMSOIL has doubled sales in the past 5 years, something Mobil 1 hasn't been able to do. Most oils are losing market share. I get a lot of calls from people who have heard great things about AMSOIL and want to try it. They do, buy more, and tell others.
AMSOIL provides more technical information on their website than any other oil. Around 6,000 pages last I heard. Product Data Sheets, Application Guides, Material Safety Data Sheets, Technical hotlines, undisputed independent ASTM brand name comparisons, monthly publications, very clear extended oil recommendations and warranties. They are the largest independent synthetic oil company in the world.
Meets or exceeds the requirements of API SM, ILSAC GF-4, ACEA A5/B5-04. Meets Chrysler MS 63950, Ford WSS-M2C929-A, GM 6094M, GM4718M and Honda HTO-06 on the bottle.
Does Amzoil put "We don't want to spend the money to show it, but this oil meets all sorts of specifications. We just can't prove it." on the bottles?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Meets or exceeds the requirements of API SM, ILSAC GF-4, ACEA A5/B5-04. Meets Chrysler MS 63950, Ford WSS-M2C929-A, GM 6094M, GM4718M and Honda HTO-06 on the bottle."
Ummm....AMSOIL says the same thing on their bottles, and more. From their 35,000 mile 0w30.
• API SM/CF, SL, SJ
• ILSAC GF-4, 3
• ACEA A5/B5
• GM 4718M, 6094M
• Ford WSS-M2C929-A
• Daimler Chrysler MS-6395N
• VW 503.00
• Honda/Acura HTO-06
I figure if my Dodge Caravan can happily use Amsoil Universal ATF (which, by the way, was a little cheaper than the "required" ATF+4, at least locally), even with its notoriously finicky transmission, an Amsoil product that says it meets a specification does meet that specification.
But, again, this is my own experience and your results may vary.
The synthetic may cost a bit more.. but over all look at what your doing for the environment.. and not using the "real" stuff.. sending the "oil" back to whee it came from.
Do amzoil salesman have a right to take over a forum and spew their advertising at will here?
(fixed that for ya, you must have been typing too fast and left out a bunch of words)
:P
But yes, claims of miracle cures are getting close to advertising so to avoid removals of posts in the near future, I'd like to suggest that we:
ALL MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE
PS: It helps if people don't get baited for amusement.
Actually it was a good series....and one of the online sponsors was GULF OIL
(so I get to keep on topic) :P
Exactly what am i doing for the Environment ?
Oh, I know, by switching from petroleum base oils to synthetic oils produced from a whole batch of nasty toxic stuff, now my carbon foot print has gone down 1/2 a size.
I can sleep better at night, knowing im' doing my part, now i just got to get my green peace sticker, slap it on my Volvo, and race down to the whole foods store so i can protest the high price of albacore.
Amen. Same for me. If oil bottle has no spec required by car manufacturer I don't care what seller said. No "junk" in my engine
Unfortunately many folks miss the fact that the above language doesn't say, "This oil has been certified to meet or exceed the 6096B specification." For my part, only oil that has been certified to meet the requirements of my cars will go into said cars.
Best regards,
Shipo
Most people when asked about synthetic oil will mention Mobil1 then Castrol...name recognition is the name of the game folks if increased sales are the goal. And a more positive approach about the product would help also...every Amsoil poster/seller that has come into these forums has had an attitude problem, not just the current poster. Just don't get it, if the product is that good...it should be able to sell itself, PERIOD!
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Being "Certified" in the US and Canada is their last order of business as it is not required by any vehicle manufacturer. AMSOIL is only marketed in the US and Canada, not world wide like the companies you see on "certified" lists and the consumer laws in other countries do not protect the consumer like those in the US and Canada, so the vehicle manufacturers can more easily coerce those oil companies into paying to be put on their lists.
Mobil 1 and Castrol are international brands. AMSOIL is just a family owned US business. You just have to decide if you want to spend your money and send jobs to other companies, or keep them here in the US.
If increased sales are the goal, Mobil 1 and Castrol aren't doing well as they are losing market share. AMSOIL has had double digit growth every year for the past 20 years and expect to double sales in 5 years.
Exxon likely spends more money on advertising than any other motor oil company. If their product was that good, it should be able to see itself, PERIOD!
How does one check up on these claims? How can one compare a regular oil company to this type of MLM company?
This approach rather reminds me of politics---you get lots of media but not a great deal of substance. It's hard to figure out what it all means.
I'm sure the products are decent--it's just that there is so much cheerleading, hype, and arm-twisting going on, there's too much smoke in the room.
Of course, on another level, this is all hair-splitting. In the end, how much difference will it make between modern oil products, to the actual life of your car--presuming of course you do very good maintenance and buy good products?
You keep saying that, but saying it over and over and over again (apparently a favorite tactic of the Scamzoil crowd) will not make it so. If one owns a BMW, an Audi, a VW, a Mercedes-Benz, a Mini-Cooper, a Porsche, certain Hondas (the list goes on), and Amsoil is used, the vehicle manufacturer is within their rights to deny warranty coverage for the engine.
"AMSOIL is only marketed in the US and Canada, not world wide like the companies you see on "certified" lists..."
Geez, just like a typical Scamzoil salesman, trying to cloud the issue with lies and an oily smoke screen. Of the list of certified oils on the VW/Audi approval list, many-many of those oils small local companies (smaller than Amsoil even) that do not distribute beyond their local geographic region. Those companies stepped up to the plate and had their oils certified, why not Amsoil? My bet is because the Amsoil product is inferior.
"...and the consumer laws in other countries do not protect the consumer like those in the US and Canada, so the vehicle manufacturers can more easily coerce those oil companies into paying to be put on their lists."
I guessing that you're referring to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act of 1975. Yes? Assuming that you are, under law a manufacturer cannot say, "To maintain warranty coverage on your car you must use only our oil," however, they are well within their rights to say, "Here is a list of approved and certified products that must be used for the maintenance of our vehicles to maintain warranty coverage."
ROTFLMAO! Geez you Scamzoil guys kill me. Funny thing, I've spent hours crawling through the UOA reports over on BITOG, and I've never yet seen an Amsoil UOA that showed healthy oil much beyond the fifteen thousand mile mark without significant modification to the car. Even then the UOAs don't look very good much past the twenty thousand mile mark. I'd love to see a UOA from oil that was run for fifty thousand miles, my bet is that it'll show an engine that is well on its way to being junk.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Owner/SyntheticEngineOils.aspx
AMSOIL makes this stuff called "European Synthetic Oil" or something like that, which claims to be approved by BMW, but the BMW site doesn't list it....so I dunno.... :confuse:
What I don't understand is why Amsoil sales folks continue to come here and cloud the issues with half-truths and outright falsehoods, and why they are tolerated. :confuse:
Of course, many other oils are also excluded, so I would not interpret this as a black mark against Amsoil per se.
If fact if you read further down, they do say that other oils meeting the recommended SAE viscosity and API ratings can be used, which of course, AMSOIL and many other oil brands meet.
Warranties only cover named parts by the vehicle manufacturer against manufacturing defects. It is not dependent on the oil brand used. If the oil causes the part to fail, which is easily determined by oil and parts analysis, then the warranted part would not be covered. Some oil companies warranties would cover the part, some do not. AMSOIL does.
AMSOIL has been used in thousands of BMW's since 1972 and has never caused a part failure or voided any warranty.
When in doubt, you can always contact the vehicle manufacturer and/or the oil manufacturer to see if the use of a specific oil will void a warranty, or if the oil itself provides it's own warranty.
Please stop clouding the issue with a lot of noise, the fact is that unless Amsoil steps up to the plate has has their oil certified, then it cannot be used to maintain a new vehicle warranty.
What possible reason would there be to put a non-approved oil in. Why create an unnecessary question, if there should be a problem, by using amsoil, when there are plenty of other options out there that would not create a question should a problem occur. I'm pretty sure my 2.5 VW engine would probably be just fine with about any oil, even conventional, but it is not worth taking that risk to save a couple bucks on oil changes.
As someone else indicated, I'd stay away from amsoil, in any case, as I would not want to support their MLM system that creates armies of dealers that clog up discussions with endless promotion of their product. IOW, your marketing is back-firing, at least in my case.
So what is the point of this amsoil stuff, again? Why would I pay a 60% premium over mobil 1?
Is this public information? It sounds a bit scandalous actually, if true. :surprise:
Sounds like product placement in a movie or something.
I'm kinda skeptical if you don't mind me sayin'...
So you would rather support the economies of foreign countries, by not only sending your money there, but jobs as well? AMSOIL is an American company, using American vendors, that develops thousands of independent American businesses every year.
If you want to discuss AMSOIL products, you should expect people to participate that know the facts.
The bottom line....ifrom your own words... AMSOIL should and does sell itself.....and you won't find AMSOIL in the nationally known retail chains or auto part stores..........so how does AMSOIL sell so much oil???? Must be good some sh _ t....... the "EDUCATED" consumer knows the difference....and uses AMSOIL...
Absolutely!
(I am however surprised to learn that Exxon-Mobil is not an American company and has not a single American employee)
You apparently think that I should essentially do the equivalent of the following: Buy Mobil 1 for $5.50 and then send $3.30 to you because you are an independent American businessman.
"If you want to discuss AMSOIL products..,"
I don't. Nor do I want to discuss Amway products, Avon products, Mary Kay products, Tupperware, Pampered Chef products, Partylite products, etc.