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Sandman6472 · November 2017

Sat in a new 2018 Accord Sport today. Frickin' AWESOME!!!!!

The Sandman

corvette · November 2017

isellhondas said:
Wow, I just watched a couple of eye opening You Tube videos! I didn't realize how easy it was to turn back the odometer on a modern car! If you go to You Tube and type in Odometer rollback you can watch the same thing!

Some cars require the top of the dash to be removed but on others a device can be plugged in under the dash and whatever number you like can be entered! Now, some shops report mileage to Car Fax but a lot don't! When emission testing places do bi-yearly testing they MAY record miles or they may not and they MAY take a quick glance and transpose numbers too. Our store got to the point where we would dismiss errors by the emission places as just mistakes. I didn't realize how easy this is to do with a digital odometer.

Back in the "old days" turning back odometers wasn't illegal and as I understand it a lot of dealers and car lots had this done! They had guys who would go from lot to lot "clocking" cars for a fee. This was quite common until it became illegal. Most towns had at least one speedometer shop that would charge a small fee to get this job done! I once had a problem with a noisy speedo in a VW bug I owned so I went to a wrecking yard that specialized in VW's. The guy steered me to a large box filled with VW speedometers and told me that for 15.00 I could pick the one I wanted! Of course, I picked the one with the nicest glass and chrome!

Scott Adams, the creator of the Dilbert cartoon, got stiffed trying to sell/trade his BMW X5 because a tire shop goofed on one of those reports and Carfax flagged the subsequent (lower) mileage report as an odometer rollback.

corvette · November 2017

Marcothecarguy1986 said:
@corvette glad you got the remote start also instoled in the Mustang! did you do it your selfe or bring it to sum place? nice so hoping that your new speackers help the quality of the sound in the mustang!

Thanks, Marco! It was a DIY job. Had some issues getting it to talk to the CAN bus due to improper wire labeling by the vendor. It wouldn't program with the wires switched. It's working fine now! Fortin makes a pretty good remote start product. Not a bad upgrade for $100.

qbrozen · November 2017

breld said:

I kinda want this. Vegas Yellow S3 Yes, we've had one before...but that yellow!

Just needs a taxi sign on top. ;b

roadburner · November 2017

breld said:
This is nice too.

2017 340

Anyone, other than @roadburner, care to point out the fairly unique option on this one?

Track Handling Package...

qbrozen · November 2017

Random question, RB. What is the reliability like on the V10 M5/6?

Michaell · November 2017

qbrozen said:
Random question, RB. What is the reliability like on the V10 M5/6?

Bzzztt!

There are no "random" questions on this thread - you got your eye on something, q?

tifighter · November 2017

abacomike said:
I have a punch to report. Just got a 2018 Mercedes Benz S450 in gray with black interior. It's loaded with every conceivable option. Has that new V6 twin turbo with 362 horsepower. I posted pictures on Members - Cars and Conversations Forum, if you are interested.

Congrats @abacomike ! And here I just thought the Caddy test drive was a one-off...

abacomike · November 2017

tifighter said:

I have a punch to report. Just got a 2018 Mercedes Benz S450 in gray with black interior. It's loaded with every conceivable option. Has that new V6 twin turbo with 362 horsepower. I posted pictures on Members - Cars and Conversations Forum, if you are interested.
Congrats @abacomike ! And here I just thought the Caddy test drive was a one-off...

Thanks tifighter.

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@carnaught it is doing ok! yes my favarate boddy stile for that car and old cars! to as whell and they are around but not as much as other cars! and can get parts! had it back for an few days from they shop made them take it back on Tuesday and fix the little isues that should have never bin since they had the car 2 munths so going to call today and see whats going on! just want the little things fixed and car back home! and than have to clean it up and put it away for the winter! sounds real nice not stock sounding any mor!

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@abacomike congrads on the punch! nice car!

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@corvette you are welcome glad you got every thing talking and it is working good now! and not an bad price at all for you got in the Mustang now!

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@sandman_6472 hope the jobs boath work out for you and the wife! and glad you like the new Acord!

qbrozen · November 2017

Michaell said:

Random question, RB. What is the reliability like on the V10 M5/6?
Bzzztt! There are no "random" questions on this thread - you got your eye on something, q?

Just preparing my list for next time. :b
something like this could be an intriguing toy:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/713104932/overview?aff=share_other

kyfdx · November 2017

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/49286/toyota/camry/is-it-worth-to-buy-a-2006-toyota-camry-le-sedan-4d-with-180k-miles#latest

Advice needed

carnaught · November 2017

@abacomike, congrats on the punch!! More details please. Sounds awesome; enjoy!

roadburner · November 2017

qbrozen said:
Random question, RB. What is the reliability like on the V10 M5/6?

I haven't followed E60 M5s that closely. I think that the SMG is responsible for the majority of issues(google "Red Cog of Death"). I'd find a manual(the three pedal cars were for North America only). The newer the better 2006 cars have the most problems, 2010 the least- and it's not a function of mileage or age. By 2010 a lot of fixes had been incorporated into the new cars at the factory. I'd be tempted by a 2010 with a FSH and a clean PDI.

qbrozen · November 2017

Yeah the little bit of reading I have done mention the red cog. Thanks for the feedback. The list also includes the C5 Z06 and Challenger SRT8. So, ya know, really broad at this point.

Figure maybe next Spring I could put the Coronet up for sale, if I am ready to part with it, and replace with something more modern. Probably would rather stick with something that will hold its value well, though. Probably only the vette is in that category at this point. I would also keep my eyes out for a Viper, but I have my doubts those will remain in my pricerange.

roadburner · November 2017

qbrozen said:
Yeah the little bit of reading I have done mention the red cog. Thanks for the feedback. The list also includes the C5 Z06 and Challenger SRT8. So, ya know, really broad at this point.

Figure maybe next Spring I could put the Coronet up for sale, if I am ready to part with it, and replace with something more modern. Probably would rather stick with something that will hold its value well, though. Probably only the vette is in that category at this point. I would also keep my eyes out for a Viper, but I have my doubts those will remain in my pricerange.

Welcome to my world- before I landed on my M235i I considered the following:
Boss 302
Camaro SS 1LE
Cayman S
Challenger SRT8
Elise
Golf R
GTI
Fiesta ST
Focus RS
Miata Club
M3(E46)
Mustang GT Premium Perf Pkg.
WRX STI
135is
335is
370Z NISMO

fintail · November 2017

E60, you have to look at both the front and rear (sides aged well) and then look at the interior. Tough.

kyfdx · November 2017

qbrozen said:
Yeah the little bit of reading I have done mention the red cog. Thanks for the feedback. The list also includes the C5 Z06 and Challenger SRT8. So, ya know, really broad at this point.

Figure maybe next Spring I could put the Coronet up for sale, if I am ready to part with it, and replace with something more modern. Probably would rather stick with something that will hold its value well, though. Probably only the vette is in that category at this point. I would also keep my eyes out for a Viper, but I have my doubts those will remain in my pricerange.

Is a C6 Z06 out of the budget? You really need that extra 100 HP.

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@qbrozen that is quite the list! you have to see next spring what to do! will be hear before you no it!

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@roadburner that was also quite the list!

qbrozen · November 2017

kyfdx said:

Yeah the little bit of reading I have done mention the red cog. Thanks for the feedback. The list also includes the C5 Z06 and Challenger SRT8. So, ya know, really broad at this point.

Figure maybe next Spring I could put the Coronet up for sale, if I am ready to part with it, and replace with something more modern. Probably would rather stick with something that will hold its value well, though. Probably only the vette is in that category at this point. I would also keep my eyes out for a Viper, but I have my doubts those will remain in my pricerange.
Is a C6 Z06 out of the budget? You really need that extra 100 HP.

Definitely out of budget. 0-60 in 3.9 is plenty.

qbrozen · November 2017

roadburner said:

Yeah the little bit of reading I have done mention the red cog. Thanks for the feedback. The list also includes the C5 Z06 and Challenger SRT8. So, ya know, really broad at this point.

Figure maybe next Spring I could put the Coronet up for sale, if I am ready to part with it, and replace with something more modern. Probably would rather stick with something that will hold its value well, though. Probably only the vette is in that category at this point. I would also keep my eyes out for a Viper, but I have my doubts those will remain in my pricerange.
Welcome to my world- before I landed on my M235i I considered the following: Boss 302 Camaro SS 1LE Cayman S Challenger SRT8 Elise Golf R GTI Fiesta ST Focus RS Miata Club M3(E46) Mustang GT Premium Perf Pkg. WRX STI 135is 335is 370Z NISMO

Ooo...thank you! You just reminded me I left the Evora off my list. STi and 370z I have on there as well. EVO, too. I'm not a fan of convertibles, otherwise I'd add the Fiat (rather than the MX5).

others right now:
z4 coupe
TT
e63
XK8
Maserati granturismo

kyfdx · November 2017

Z4 M Coupe. I’ve seriously considered one of those

tifighter · November 2017

kyfdx said:
Z4 M Coupe. I’ve seriously considered one of those

Was on my list too. Values have firmed up for good ones. I wanted under 50K miles, and there was one in the Bay Area at the time in Blue. Gone in a few days, and nothing else on the west coast then.

anonymousposts1 · November 2017

I had the opportunity to drive a 2014 Corvette Stingray Z51 with a 7 speed manual. It was true love for the few days I drove it but I couldn’t justify a two seater with 3 kids. It was an amazing car. Handled great and was easy to drive considering the HP available. It should be on anyone’s list that is in the market for a sports car.

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@anony_posts that corvette sounds so nice!

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@tifighter that Z4M Coop sounds nice! hope down the road you will get one!

Sandman6472 · November 2017

Just cleaned up the garage and the liquid the Golf leaked was orange, not green. Very odd that it just started to leak and it wasn't there last weekend so must've just happened early this week. Glad I got that notice on my dash Tuesday night on my way home. Have always said life is all about timing and again, I've been proven right. I would hope though that if a customer came in to the dealer with just over the 36K mark, most dealers would honor their warranty especially if the mileage is so close to the magical 36K. I know I would've been really pissed off if they had refused the warranty work if I had been just over!
But just glad I had a warning and the time to take it in!

The Sandman

stickguy · November 2017

Not a bad idea to take your car in for service right before warranty expires, just in case there is something to find that you might not know about yet. Assuming they are honest enough to flag the issue and report it! and of course fix it for you.

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@sandman_6472 glad all worked out for you!

Sandman6472 · November 2017

Have a 4/50 with the Audi from what I've read which is great as she'll make the years before the mileage. December 2nd is the 3rd anniversary of our ownership, the Golf is December 12th, both bought in 2014. Just as I'm not ready to swap out at this juncture, she feels the same way but doubt that she'll go lux next time. Pretty sure she'll go with a Kia Forte and call it a day. She just wants her vehicle to start every time and be pretty good with petrol. And yes, she does expect BLIS and all that safety stuff no matter what. I'll be happy to have that stuff to but will insist on push button start/stop also because it's really so much of a time saver. Must admit, that Jetta loaner spoiled me last week.

The Sandman

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@stickguy all so trew what you said above!

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@sandman_6472 nice worintee Outy gives! so she has 2 mor years to go!

sda · November 2017

On paper the Forte may look attractive to your wife and it is a good car in that category. I believe she would miss the Audi more than she thinks. The A3 has the refinement that the Forte tries to convince you it has. The Audi is the better car by far.

stickguy · November 2017

I drove a Forte before getting the Jetta 2 years ago. It was actually pretty nice. Very well equipped. For someone like Mrs. Sandy (from what he describes) I think it would be a perfectly fine replacement, since I really doubt that she will notice the under the skin differences.

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@stickguy have to look at the Kia Fortay! never sat in one eather Jen!

Steve Elias · November 2017

thanks for the congrats for the chronic-buyer-ticket-punch, folks. diesel stickshift is cool alright. my wife commented within a few minutes in the cruze "this car feels like your SS" - it was due to her increasingly refined SOTP meter and the torque+stick

.

it's the cajun red with black interior shown in many press pics & various reviews. first red car! momentous! :} and it's grreeeat to be back in a diesel.

sephia1, my wife likes the way the cruze diesel shifts better than her sonic turbo. the sonic turbo & ratios are not so easy to handle/accel smoothly, torque curve peaky. cruze handles 10x better and is way more solid/planted/straight-track on highway.
it's not surprising, but the cruz is a way better car overall than sonic - if you can get them for near the same price, get the cruz. the shift ratio and turbo with the 1.4L are no picnic.

shifty, that's weird about the lane-watch vs blis in the civics.

corvette, the answer to your tax history question was effectively YES as far as i know. it was never actually allowed but it was accepted/commonly-done.

michaell, is there a diesel car forum here, for owners especially? i'll put a review for the diesel cruze after a couple months ownership... what would be a good forum for owners to discuss stuff like how to properly include the gallons of DEF in the mpg calculations (I say yes, DEF meets the definition of fuel - cruze diesel won't go faster than 4 mph without it!)

breld · November 2017

So @qbrozen, what do auction/trade values look like on something like this?

2016 V60 Polestar

corvette · November 2017

sandman_6472 said:
Just cleaned up the garage and the liquid the Golf leaked was orange, not green.

VW's coolant used to be a pink/purple color, which might look orange.

@elias Thanks for the historical tax info. I'm 35, so it's so weird to me looking through all these old documents how, up through the 1950s and 60s, you had an account with your regular local merchants, and didn't pay when you got groceries, etc. They just sent you an invoice at the end of the month. My relatives had a Gulf account (which apparently worked nationwide) and would almost always refuel at Gulf stations when they were traveling. They'd get a statement at the end of the month.

It's also amazing how frequent auto repairs were back then. There were usually about six repair tickets per year for my great-uncle's 1953 Plymouth coupe, for things like points, a valve job, various gaskets (which implies it was leaking fluids), etc. That doesn't include regular maintenance like oil and lube, tires, etc. Reminds me of the BMW 540i I owned!

ab348 · November 2017

In the '60s my dad had a little plastic credit card folder in the glove compartment with gas company credit cards in it. He had a bunch - Esso, Shell, Texaco, Fina, Gulf, Irving, pretty much all of those that operated locally. Of course back then there was no MasterCard or Visa (originally called Chargex up here).

I know that when I started working I had a few of those myself.

Michaell · November 2017

elias said:
thanks for the congrats for the chronic-buyer-ticket-punch, folks. diesel stickshift is cool alright. my wife commented within a few minutes in the cruze "this car feels like your SS" - it was due to her increasingly refined SOTP meter and the torque+stick .

it's the cajun red with black interior shown in many press pics & various reviews. first red car! momentous! :} and it's grreeeat to be back in a diesel.

sephia1, my wife likes the way the cruze diesel shifts better than her sonic turbo. the sonic turbo & ratios are not so easy to handle/accel smoothly, torque curve peaky. cruze handles 10x better and is way more solid/planted/straight-track on highway.
it's not surprising, but the cruz is a way better car overall than sonic - if you can get them for near the same price, get the cruz. the shift ratio and turbo with the 1.4L are no picnic.

shifty, that's weird about the lane-watch vs blis in the civics.

corvette, the answer to your tax history question was effectively YES as far as i know. it was never actually allowed but it was accepted/commonly-done.

michaell, is there a diesel car forum here, for owners especially? i'll put a review for the diesel cruze after a couple months ownership... what would be a good forum for owners to discuss stuff like how to properly include the gallons of DEF in the mpg calculations (I say yes, DEF meets the definition of fuel - cruze diesel won't go faster than 4 mph without it!)

Try here:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/10443/general/x/what-would-it-take-for-you-to-buy-a-diesel-car#latest

qbrozen · November 2017

breld said:

So @qbrozen, what do auction/trade values look like on something like this? 2016 V60 Polestar

Quite rare, as you might imagine. Only 2 have gone across in the past 6 months. Both had 15k and both got $35,xxx. The rarity makes retail value tough. Someone may want it that bad. I'd say $40k is MORE than fair.

carnaught · November 2017

Bump

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@elias you are welcome man! nice color you got on that croze my favorate color than blue. the new Toyota camory has an nice blue I like crushed sum thing cant remember the ful name of it has an nice shade of parple in it!

tbirdmarco · November 2017

@breld nice Pol Stare Valvo! might that be the next punch? do any car looking this weekend?

breld · November 2017

qbrozen said:

breld said:

So @qbrozen, what do auction/trade values look like on something like this? 2016 V60 Polestar

Quite rare, as you might imagine. Only 2 have gone across in the past 6 months. Both had 15k and both got $35,xxx. The rarity makes retail value tough. Someone may want it that bad. I'd say $40k is MORE than fair.

Thanks for the quick response. That’s not surprising based on what kbb is saying, but man the dealers sure are asking for the moon. The $48k listed price on this one is right in line with all others listed nationwide.

breld · November 2017

Marcothecarguy1986 said:

@breld nice Pol Stare Valvo! might that be the next punch? do any car looking this weekend?

Hmm - could be if they got realistic on the asking price, but who knows!

We looked at wagons today - a 328 and some Volvos.

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