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Cougar Support Group - A New Start



  • jayhawk5jayhawk5 Posts: 70
    Yeah man- you're on a roll today! OK- I will work for you and Stageleft as long I as get my company car. Cougar S of course, and not in yellow!!!
  • krnchkrnch Posts: 127
    Sign me up for a CSG limited edition cat.

    I too was surprised at the market segment FMC was originally expecting the Cougar to participate in.
  • giddeup_50giddeup_50 Posts: 27
    Hey, but there's a bright side to this otherwise dismal turn of events... We'll all have cars that we become instant classics once they stop production. Sort of a niche car. So hold on to them and drive them proudly. These are not Edsels!
  • krnchkrnch Posts: 127
    I was just playing the devil's advocate to stir up more discussion. Looks like it worked.

    True, it doesn't take a genius to realize that more advertising means more sales but what I was intending was that us mortal CSGers don't know how or why FMC has prioritized it's business objectives. I agree 100% with others in this group that the priorities seem wrong and the Cougar is definitely worthy of more advertising. It's too bad that not pushing the Cougar thus far has resulted, in part, in the loss of x # of jobs at the Flatrock plant. Personally I like the idea of owning 'a classic'.
  • bobschmbobschm Posts: 42
    Hey, I didn't even think about that! If they stop production after only three years, my car will be worth MORE.

    Have you checked the price of Edsels lately?
  • bobschmbobschm Posts: 42
    "Rebuilt Edsel E-475, body in good condition, 48,000 miles, needs new transmission and rear end seals, drivers side window, and some odds and ends. Located 30 miles east of Pittsburgh, PA. Price $15,000. "
  • malibumalibu Posts: 155
    We need to consider ourselves "special" and "unique" for having such a cool car that not everyone knows about or owns. If I didn't want something different I would have bought a mustang, but in this college town I live in EVERYONE has an Eclipse or Mustang. The uniqueness is why I have waited 13 weeks (today!) to get a cougar. You all should be very proud.
  • vraj2525vraj2525 Posts: 5
    It seems like Ford is paying much more attention to the Ford division and ignoring Mercury. How else can you explain the success of the very mediocre Ford Focus compared to the mediocre sales of the kick [non-permissible content removed] Mercury Cougar. I think they should split the company up. It is so big that the executives don't even know which product they should be marketing. The only ads i've seen for the cougar are ones where the local dealers are trying to give $1,000 cash back and a free mountain bike in order to unload cougars from the lot.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    I too like owning a unique vehicle, but if things keep going the way they are, the current Cougar model will be discontinued and forgotten.

    I would like to think that I could hold on to this car for years, but the fact is I can not afford to own two cars (one for everyday use and one stored in the garage for nice weekends and summer night drives).

    If FMC doesn't advertise, the car won't sell. If the car doesn't sell, it will be discontinued, If it is discontinued, the after market segment for this car will fall off the face of the earth and move on to the next little hot sports coupe.

    I don't understand the logic behind all of this. Even multi-billionaire Bill Gates gets himself on TV to promote his latest software. This is all really sad in a pathetic sort of way.

    I don't hold MWS and his crew responsible for this in any way. I believe if it were up to him and his team, there would be Cougar advertisements all over the place, and we (the CSG) would get some funding from them. I really believe their hands (arms, legs, & feet) are tied by those higher up on the corporate ladder. I think it's time for someone to light that ladder on fire and bring everyone down to the same level. Sometimes people need to be reminded that they are all on the same team.
  • krnchkrnch Posts: 127
    Well put, badulah.

    Talk about ignoring Mercury, vraj2525, in Canada as of 1999, there was no more Mercury. The Cougar and Grand Marquis are now sold at Ford dealerships. Is this the future fate of Mercury world-wide?????
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    While driving to my parents house after leaving work this afternoon I came to a complete stop at a red light. On my drive I had noticed a teen girl behind me TALEGATING the whole time. Anyway, after I stop I notice this girl playing with her hair. Well, I look forward and BAM, she rear ends me. We pull off the road and I look and I have 2 holes in my rear bumper. I get her info and I'm off. The whole time she is saying how sorry she is and that she doesn't want this to go through insurance. TOUGH CRAP!!!!

    I have already called her insurance co. and am taking my car in next Tues to get the appraisal done. Then off to the body shop again!!!! At least its no $ out of my pocket. These cars attract morons!!!!!
  • dasaint1dasaint1 Posts: 230
    What's all the hype about?

    Someone had posted before that sales for the 1999 Cougar was over 56,000. What exactly is wrong with that number? Were you guys expecting sales of over 100,000 Cougars? Let's be realistic here.

    How can you even compare the Cougar's sales to that of the Focus'? The Focus is an everyday car, so you don't have to drive your dream car Corvette or Harley bike or souped up 4x4 truck to work everyday. One of our own member here at CSG doesn't drive his/her Cat in winter time; perfect time to drive the Focus instead. Although I use my Cougar everyday, there are times when I leave it in the garage and use my wife's car instead depending on where I'm going and parking space situation. I can't imagine anyone putting a child seat in the rear seat of a Cougar. So obviously, Focus would have a much higher sales number.

    What's really shocking is the sales numbers for the Mustang (over 160,000)! Of course, the Mustang has a true muscle car heritage since '64 whereas the Cougar went from muscle car to luxo-boat to front-wheel drive sporty coupe. I'm not sure what the sales numbers are for the 2000 Cougar, but if it matches the 1999 sales, that's good enough.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I'd hate to see the Cougar become as common as the Civic.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    Has anyone replaced their rear bumper? Cost?

    How long was it in the shop? I am going on a cruise in two weeks and really don't want my Cat to be sitting out in the elements while I'm away. Is that sick or what? I would rather bring it in, have them fix it then come and pick it up immediately after. I don't want it sitting in there lot if it doesn't have too.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Sorry to hear about your accident. Don't you just hate those people who are busy with other things as they drive. I would have been really pissed if I were you.

    Sales arn't bad, but they arn't good. Factory layoffs are the result of poor sales. If the Cougar continues to sell poorly in the eyes of FMC, they will cut off the bleeding limb and move on to the next project. It's not what you or I would consider good sales, it's what FMC considers good sales. I guess 56,000 last year wasn't considered to be very good.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    I'm about to bust out of work, but I just wanted to wish all of you a GREAT holiday weekend. Enjoy the weather (I hope it doesn't rain), you day off, and your Cats.

    Have a GREAT weekend and stay safe!!

    AKA "Badulah"
    CSG Caretaker

  • fastback2fastback2 Posts: 55
    Sorry to hear about your accident. It sounds like you handled it very well, considering that the individual who rammed you obviously had other things on her mind besides driving. While I was living near Boston, I would use I-495 to scoot up to either Vermont or NH. On one of these trips, I was driving up to VT on 495 in heavy traffic when two young guys came up behind me in an old Escort and situated themselves about 10' behind my rear bumper. As luck would have it, about a minute later one of the cars up ahead of me decides to drop from 70 mph down to 55 in a couple of seconds (must have seen a cop). We all had to jump on the brakes pretty hard, and I heard the sound of squealing tires behind me. However, the expected whack in the back never came. I looked over my left shoulder and saw that the yoyos behind me had wound up skidding into the grass right beside me. We all got back up to cruising speed and those guys resumed their position 10' behind me. Moral of story: some people are destined to learn the hard way.

    Good luck and I hope that your cougar is fixed back up quickly.
  • jrp6977jrp6977 Posts: 87
    Ford Motor Co. has a bad habit of offering the high performance versions of models in limited numbers and at high prices. The Mustang Cobra, Taurus SHO and to a lesser degree, the Contour SVT are examples. GM, for all its errors, tends to offer the performance at better prices and greater availability. I think Ford and its customers would be better off all around offering the Euro Cougar bells and whistles and the 200hp V6 as an option in ALL markets. That's my two cents worth.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    Thanks Fastback.

    I also hope to get this taken care of quickly.
  • lydia_tlydia_t Posts: 1
    Hi I'm a CSG newbie, so I hope I've come to the right place.
    I fell in love with the cougar when I test drove it. Having compared it with an Acura integra, the "bug", and the Mitsubishi Eclipse, I decided to buy a Cougar.
    I'm currently shopping around for a good deal on a 2000 Cougar (V-6 Coupe with sport and convenience packages, pwr sunroof). Price must include tax, doc fee, title transfer, and destination charge. With these additional options I'm not going to pay more than $18000. Would I be paying too much? OR for the additional options what is a good price to "wheel and deal" with?

    Also, on a scale of 1 to 10, what is the consumer demand for this car (10 being the greatest)?

    Please e-mail me

    Your prospective Cougar Owner,
  • katlvrkatlvr Posts: 23
    Welcome to the "rearended" club fish8 I was rearended a couple of weeks ago. It seems Cougars are magnets for this sort of thing. Insurance took care of the costs and also provided a rental for the 2 days it took to repair. Costs are in Canadian dollars so I don't think that will be of any help to you -less than 1000.00.

    It is infuriating to see your baby hurt by idiots, everyday I get people driving too close to me just to check out my Cougar and figure out what kind of car it is. I had one guy stop in front of me at a light, jump out of his car and run over to me to ask what kind of car is that. That kind of thing is common when I drive my car, I always drive with my doors locked and windows up out of fear of these inquisitors.
  • dougmckaydougmckay Posts: 22
    >> I'm not sure what the sales numbers are for the 2000 Cougar, but if it matches the 1999 sales, that's good enough. <<

    It's nowhere near good enough.

    According to Blue Oval News, Cougar sales were down over 27% for the month of April, compared to April of last year. For the year, Cougar sales are down a whopping 32% compared to last year! And dealer inventories are at over 100 days (average should be about 60).

    FMC has a problem with selling the Cougar. They may resort to massive rebates and incentives, because the car doesn't seem to be selling on its own attributes. I agree with others who say a 200hp engine should have been offered from the beginning.
  • dasaint1dasaint1 Posts: 230
    Good piece of information.

    I happen to agree with you. The V-6 offered on the regular Cougar need to have 200 hp just to be even with the Eclipse V-6. The Cougar S should have more.

    So the whole problem with the car is a lack of hp compared to its competition, specifically the 200 hp Eclipse and the 180 hp Celica.

    Advertising alone will not help the sales numbers. No amount of advertising is gonna change that horsepower equation. If a prospective buyer views the Cougar as underpowered, the solution is to add more hp and not merely advertising.
  • dasaint1dasaint1 Posts: 230
    Welcome aboard!!!

    I paid much more than S18,000 when I first bought my Cougar back in Dec. '99. I bought mine directly from the L-M dealer. But in checking the prices of online sellers like CarsDirect, they were considerably cheaper than the price I paid.

    However, the prices online changes from week to week. At first, I saw my Cat online for about $18,000. Then a month later, I checked the prices again, and it was closer to $19,000. So if you're planning on buying the car online, lock in on a good price.

    If you plan on buying it from a dealer, make sure you check the Dealer topic here in CSG to see which dealers offer good service and prices. My dealer sucked on both counts.

    With the rebate being offered on the Cougar, you should be able to get the Cougar equipped like you said for about $18K (I'm assuming you wanted an mtx since you didn't mention which tranny you wanted).

    You won't regret getting the Cat once you're an owner. If you've read the previous post in here, you already know we all love our Cats.

    I love my Cat!!!
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    I want my Cat fixed NOW!!!! I hate having to wait until Tues to get it looked at by their insurance company. I also noticed something odd today on my Cat. Once you all hear this you will know how crazy I am about my car. I noticed that the "V" in V6 on the back hatch is cracked. Nobody would ever notice this but while my car is in the shop for the rear bumper damage I will get a service Tech to order a "V" to replace my broken "V". Who is here would not even worry about this and let it be? If I know it is broken, I HAVE to get it fixed. I'm CRAZY!!!!

    By the way, are those little emblems easy to replace?
  • meowlammeowlam Posts: 9
    I feel for you! Last September, a mere 9 days after picking up my kitty, I was rear-ended by a moron, too. Guess the accident-causing morons our kitties attract are too stunned by our cars' beauty to think clearly (I'm being too gracious, aren't I?).

    After it took the dealer 3 1/2 weeks to GET a new bumper for me, it then took only 2 days in the shop. Total cost was just over $700 - my kitty is Laser Red, so it had a "special" process done (I can't remember the term).

    Having to drive my hurt kitty for weeks was painful - especially since I had to approach it from the rear ALL the time!

    Good luck - I really hope that you have a shorter repair time than I did.

    :-) Lorrian
  • lmigliorelmigliore Posts: 148
    It doesn't look good to me. Layoffs at Flat Rock, no visibility in the media, no direction for Mercury.

    I put the whole blame on lack of advertising and my personal experience supports it. When I was looking for a new car, I didn't know the Cougar existed. I recalled that they stopped making the T-Bird/Cougar a couple of years ago but was not aware that Mercury was selling anything by that name again. I literally stumbled across the Cougar at an auto show while crossing the Lincoln/Mercury booth to get somewhere else. Why? Because I know L/M didn't make anything I wanted! But there was the Cougar with its 5-speed manual sitting on the floor. I was stunned. I left the auto show and bought one immediately.

    How many other people are in my situation? How many of us will end up with Toyotas or Saturns? Put the car on TV; it will sell itself. Don't do this to Flat Rock; don't do this to American drivers. The Cougar is a great car that can't be touched at the price (maybe a decent automatic would help) but it's under everyone's radar.

    Badulah is always dead-on, but he's even righter than usual about this one. Great, heart-felt posts full of truth.
  • 9Cougar99Cougar9 Posts: 12
    I thought it was bad enough when there was no advertising for our Cougar, but then a limited production in the future and now I read that Ford is bringing back the T-Bird next year as a 2002!!
    Is that true??? I think we have been totally forgotten. My Cougar never ceases to attract admiration, with people stopping me, walking up to my car to look and ask about it. It they would just ADVERTISE then people would buy more of them.
  • halo_1halo_1 Posts: 27
    I took a trip to the Hamptons (NY) yesterday to cruise in my Cougar. The trip mile total = appr. 300 miles. Avg MPG 28.0; highest MPG 29.2. Avg speed around 65-70 MPH; I have to watch the troopers on the road to the Hamptons. I still have over a quarter tank of gas left. Interesting points about the trip, saw over 2 dozen Mercedes, Porsches, Jaguars, and BMW. I saw 1 Plymouth Prowler (definitely an attention getter). Most importantly, I saw about 5 Cougars (4 Laser Red and 1 White). My fiancee told me that it was probably the same Laser Red Cougar that we kept seeing. I doubt it... Anyhow the point of this post, is that even with all those fancy cars mentioned above, I would delibrately look to my left and right while cruising to see many people checking out the CAT. This car is a definite attention getter. Why is Ford/LM letting this car die because of their ineptitude in getting it noticed???
  • jayhawk5jayhawk5 Posts: 70
    What is everyone's average MPG? Everone keeps talking about getting 26-30 mpg, while I'm consistantly averaging 22.9-23.3. Is there something wrong with my car? This is overall mpg I'm talking, highway and city combined.
  • jrp6977jrp6977 Posts: 87
    Sometimes I think Ford is trying to kill not only the Cougar but Mercury as well. Other than Sable and occasionally Mountaineer, advertising is virtually non-existent. If sales slide, Ford can justify the elimination of the division.
    As I sit hear watching the pre-race show for the Indy 500(the race is blacked out here since I'm 50miles from the track), I think how great it would be to have the Cougar as a pace car instead of another Oldsmobile. Maybe next year, (ARE YOU LISTING MWS!!!) the Cougar S could lead the field. That would give the cat the attention it deserves.
    As far as sales go, I drive many miles with my job and see lots of Cougars in Central and Southern Indiana. I still drool over every one!
    Long live the Cougar!
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