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Not really. The difference is this year the commercials clearly feature two young people in the cockpit. Last years commercials focused on the cars, and left the people driving out of the picture. You were left guessing who's driving.
So, what's the problem with showing two young care-free people driving fast, and having fun?
It could be misconstrued. The first couple of times I saw it, I misunderstood it. If I—a dedicated Subie nut—misunderstood it, imagine all the others out there who could care less about Subarus or cars.
That's the whole point of this of this criticism of the commercial; not the cars, but the emphasis put on the people in it. Like it or not, young kids having fun (and driving fast) is a dicey issue to show.
Bob
Bob
Greg
Greg
Tire Rack actually sold me tires that were too wide for my plus-one application. The issue was as much wheel offset (which they also misjudged) as tire width. Fortunately TR took the tires back after only 5 days on the car and exchanged them for ones that fit with the proper offset wheel.
Ed
On the other hand I take issue with the OB deer commercial when they clearly are trying to put down SUV drivers for racing around the woods, duh, what do you think it sounds like when a rally car comes racing down through the woods?????
-mike
Where were you folks when Judge Reinhold challenged a BMW driver to a race down the mountain?
I like the WRX commercial (although the older one was much better)and especially the Outback deer commercial.
Last night I saw an Expedition commercial that involved doing a slalom on an aircraft carrier. That's outrageous!! :-)
-Dennis
Bob
-mike
Is there a little controversy? Sure. Isn't using Martina as spokesperson a little controversial? To some it is.
Ed: cool, at least you tested their return policy, and it worked. I bet they're being more careful. More likely they'd rarely worked with Forester customers.
I like the deer commercial, and the bunny one too! Bring it back! ;-)
The Z4 commercial peeves me, only because I drive a roadster and recognize how incredibly dangerous that would be to the driver, passenger, and anyone else sharing that road with a complete lunatic.
-juice
The fact of the matter is young males, driving fast and having fun, is a "buzz image" for all those anti-speed groups out there. This commercial just adds fuel to fire. If you want to provoke those groups, this commercial is a good starting point.
I don't want to see Subaru win the battle, but lose the war, that's all.
Bob
Pulling the ad runs opposite to those goals.
They'd be Conservative, Status-quo, and Boring.
Besides Click & Clack, has anyone else spoken up against the ad? I'd expect there are other ads far more worthy, and I don't think this one will bring that much attention.
-juice
Just saw your photos. Very cool. So, who's the person riding shotgun in the last picture clinging on for dear life? ;-)
Ken
Bob
-juice
There's a joke in here somewhere, I'm sure of it. It'd be easier to spot if it were an Excursion.
Ed
-mike
-juice
Jim
As for alloys, there is the school which says you should use steel wheels in winter and save your alloys from rusting. I've actually found that the steelies you get from Tirerack and others rust a fair amount after a few seasons while the alloys if looked after (no big dings left unpainted) look almost pristine.
Its not in their website but you could actually get WRX take off alloys from Tirerack for 76 bucks or something! Got the take offs for my WRX when I got snows this season as it was such a bargain! Why I need 3 sets of wheels though I still haven't been able to explain to the better half! Though when the neighbours are stuck in snow and she isn't I get no more complaints about all those tires cluttering the garage!
I have seen a few WRXs with the Fox alloys, should be just fine
Bill
Bob- Ambitious, soon to be empty-nester (sorry, bob ;')) ) with many of life's goals met or close enough for general contentment and satisfaction, enjoys cars but also obsesses over towing capacities, maybe still a little worried about who his pride and joy gets into a car with while she's away at school. NOT SUCH A BIG FAN OF THE AD! But not the target demographic for it either. We'll see how he feels about the Legacy Turbo ads in a couple years.
Look, the only, and I mean only reason we are talking about the ad is because of tom and ray. No one said bmwfilms.com promotes doing reverse donughts in a 5 series under heavy small arms fire, or suggests using armor-all to clean blood out of one's X5.
Interesting that the current ad only sparked their interest. Anyone remember the initial WRX ad with it zipping through the twisties (and the occassional WRC image flashing on the screen)? How about the PT Turbo ads (where's page 11)?
-Brian
-Colin
Besides playing the devil's advocate, I do worry a bit if the ad will come back to haunt them from the likes of Ralph Nader, Joan Claybrook, and those who share their thinking. That's my only concern.
BTW, I didn't hear or see the Tom and Ray program. This subject caught my attention in another Edmunds forum, about driving responsibly, a week or so ago. I posted that link here, and the discussion took off.
Bob
Next time I go through the Battery Park Tunnel I'll be sure to try to get it airborne on the way out
-mike
Greg: As a 'neighbor' who knows the uncertainty of the conditions here, your comments were spot on. Now I can't wait for the first snow or ice storm to make it all seem worthwhile.
Juice: Economic realities.... I spent more than I have available. We are just going to have to skip eating for a while to make up the shortfall. ;-) I know I should have gone cheap steel on both cars to save another $200, but I just couldn't do that to the Subaru.
Dennis & Colin: This was another tough one. Subaru recommends H, but you are right, the Honda Odyssey came with lower speed rated T as std equipment. Consumer Reports is pushing H in their November winter tire test as generally worth the extra money in terms of better handling. Beth drives hard - sometimes harder than I do. She was all smiles when we got the Ody as it could take the twisties way faster than the Windstar would allow, so I do worry about what she rides on. Consumers rated the Dunlop Winter Sport (H) well above the Bridgestone WS-50 (Q) in emergency handling, braking & ride, and the difference in price was only about $10 per tire.
The WRX wheels surprised me - wish I had known. I was under the impression that they were narrower than 6.5", as the the Impreza uses 205mm tires vs the Outback at 225mm. I guess that I missed an opportunity. I did call the dealer ($235 each for OB wheels) and some local junk yards looking for rims, but came up with nothing.
Steve
Loosh: you have me pegged, what can I say?
The BMW Films rock, by the way.
I think if Ralph Nader spoke out against the WRX publicly, there would be a surge of sales from the enthusiast community. I believe he's so anti-car that he doesn't even own one.
$200 is a week of groceries at "casa de juice". So eat Ramen Noodles for a while.
-juice
If so, call them up, you'll save money. Then let us know how much % you saved.
-juice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872596188
My insurance broke their deal with Costco, so I'll be shopping next time I renew, I think in February.
Serge: you know what's scary? With 2 doors and a drop-top, that's close to what I want! 4WD, manual trans, even variable displacement! LOL
-juice
I do have the pictures. But don't know how to post them.
-james
-juice
:-)
Ross
My service van was off the road for a few days for the annual Ministry of transport inspection and I had a lot of out of town service calls lined up.
Anyway he lent me his little car until my van was ready, I think sitting on those bloody seats for a couple of days is where my back problems began,I swore then that a mini would never be in my stable of cars.
Cheers Pat.
first, let's see the entries:
Name Total Brazil/Argentina/Chile
Kate: 5 (3/1/1)
Serge (lilbluewgn02): 7 (3/4/0)
Mark (bat1161): 8 (4/3/1)
Juice: 2 (2/0/0)
Frank (p0626): 4 (3/1/0)
and the winner is... Serge!
Well, I never made it to Chile (sob, sob) but did stay in Argentina much longer then needed...
So the count is:
Brazil: 1 (brand new Forester X red, in Rio)
Argentina: 6 (3 Legacys (silver,red,blue), 1 old pre-Loyale coupe, 2 blue Outbacks -- all in BA)
and Serge is the winner because:
a) he predicted the total count exactly
b) he was the only one predicting more Subies in Argentina than in Brazil.
Serge, my cash in Argentina was, um, pretty tight after certain events, but I got a nice Argentinian postcard for you! Just let me know where to mail it. You can send me email to:
unlucky_in_BA@yahoo.com
Congratulation Serge!
Steve
WOW! 6 Subies in Argentina? I'm shocked. I wonder how more were imported to such a small country (relative to Brazil). Especially since Collor (a president we later impeached) had opened the market to imports in Brazil for a few years a while back.
Congrats Serge!
Yoda says, "A great chat it was".
And yeah, nice to see Patti was back (no pun intended).
-juice
Bob
-juice
She does not go back to work until after Christmas I believe, she also has a problem talking at the minute because of swelling, apparently they performed the surgery through the front, which I think is becoming more common than going through the back of the neck.
I think this way there is less risk of doing major damage in the process.
She did not mention if she had to rear a halo contraption until the fusion is secure.
Cheers Pat.
Patti, we're all praying for a speedy and full recovery!
Bob
-juice
Mark
Patti: Glad to hear you're on the mend. I hope your recovery goes quickly!
Titanium? be careful at airports!
Jim
And as Juice said (Yoda comment), we all got downright silly towards the end. A good stress reliever for all.
Steve
Ed started it. ;-)
Glad to hear Patti still has her sense of humor.
-juice