nice colors. seems pretty well equipped. Low miles, and correct number of pedals. I would not kick it out of the garage for eating crackers in there. Just way, way out of my price range!
At the end of the day, I don't think I'd trade the practical nature of my Miata for an 8 year old BMW with the turbo I-6. But on the other hand, it is the turbo I-6.
And, as @stickguy would say, it has the right number of pedals.
So how optimistic is this Land Rover dealer on their pricing of the Z4? (and I hate this Land Rover dealer by the way).
My friend offered $31k and the sales guy gave him the “rare manual” BS as a reason for the higher price. And you know it was lowballed as a trade because “manuals are hard to sell.”
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
At the end of the day, I don't think I'd trade the practical nature of my Miata for an 8 year old BMW with the turbo I-6. But on the other hand, it is the turbo I-6.
And, as @stickguy would say, it has the right number of pedals.
So how optimistic is this Land Rover dealer on their pricing of the Z4? (and I hate this Land Rover dealer by the way).
"$795 Dealer Handling Fee" OUCH!
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD, 2025 Toyota Camry SE AWD
Hmmm - Coincidentally, I came across this listing yesterday that piqued my interest, at least a little bit.
https://www.landroverdenver.com/used/BMW/2011-BMW-Z4-965c9afa0a0d0cc74fa150fa4f8cbbcf.htm
At the end of the day, I don't think I'd trade the practical nature of my Miata for an 8 year old BMW with the turbo I-6. But on the other hand, it is the turbo I-6.
And, as @stickguy would say, it has the right number of pedals.
So how optimistic is this Land Rover dealer on their pricing of the Z4? (and I hate this Land Rover dealer by the way).
"$795 Dealer Handling Fee" OUCH!
That’s what the big dealership cartel here in Louisville charges, and one of the reasons I didn’t buy from them.
At the end of the day, I don't think I'd trade the practical nature of my Miata for an 8 year old BMW with the turbo I-6. But on the other hand, it is the turbo I-6.
And, as @stickguy would say, it has the right number of pedals.
So how optimistic is this Land Rover dealer on their pricing of the Z4? (and I hate this Land Rover dealer by the way).
"$795 Dealer Handling Fee" OUCH!
That’s what the big dealership cartel here in Louisville charges, and one of the reasons I didn’t buy from them.
I've come to the conclusion that if dealerships kept their hands off cars, they wouldn't have to charge a "Handling Fee". :@
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
At the end of the day, I don't think I'd trade the practical nature of my Miata for an 8 year old BMW with the turbo I-6. But on the other hand, it is the turbo I-6.
And, as @stickguy would say, it has the right number of pedals.
So how optimistic is this Land Rover dealer on their pricing of the Z4? (and I hate this Land Rover dealer by the way).
"$795 Dealer Handling Fee" OUCH!
That’s what the big dealership cartel here in Louisville charges, and one of the reasons I didn’t buy from them.
I've come to the conclusion that if dealerships kept their hands off cars, they wouldn't have to charge a "Handling Fee". :@
jmonroe
So you expect them to levitate off the transporter and onto the lot?
Figure out how much you want to pay for the car. In the case of that Cadillac XTS, say that number is $32,000. Add in the sales tax (here in Texas, 6.25%, or $2,000). Most dealers are going to run between $250 to $350 for the title transfer, license plates, etc, so I just round that off to $300.
$32,000 $2,000 $300 That comes out to $34,300 OTD (out the door). I make that offer, and make sure they know it is my one and only offer, and is all inclusive. They take it or they don’t take it. “Handling fees” have no part in my equations. They can manipulate the numbers anyway they want, sell me the car for $500 and charge me a $33,900 handling fee, I don’t care. I only care about what I have to write on the check (or finance).
At the end of the day, I don't think I'd trade the practical nature of my Miata for an 8 year old BMW with the turbo I-6. But on the other hand, it is the turbo I-6.
And, as @stickguy would say, it has the right number of pedals.
So how optimistic is this Land Rover dealer on their pricing of the Z4? (and I hate this Land Rover dealer by the way).
"$795 Dealer Handling Fee" OUCH!
That’s what the big dealership cartel here in Louisville charges, and one of the reasons I didn’t buy from them.
I've come to the conclusion that if dealerships kept their hands off cars, they wouldn't have to charge a "Handling Fee". :@
jmonroe
So you expect them to levitate off the transporter and onto the lot?
Why not? If it cuts down on the cost of cars, it's worth a shot.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
I hope that it's not off topic: I'm looking at leasing a new car and a dealer offered to take my current lease off me (currently leasing a 2017 Volt until end of august). Does anyone has knowledge of the pitfalls of transferring a lease a few months early in order to buy/lease a new vehicle? Thank you.
Are you buying another Chevrolet or GM vehicle? BMW Financial will sometimes offer a pull-ahead to get the customer into a new car several months before the lease termination date- maybe GM has something similar.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Went to a Hyundai dealership and was told they could only offer the price of $11,000, year- 2016 make- HYUNDAI model- ELANTRA color- PHANTOM BLACK mileage- 32,000 transmission- AUTOMATIC condition- GREAT location- MA
I have a 2017 Audi A7. I did a 3 year lease / 30k miles total but only have 15,000 miles on it currently. My lease is up in 6 months and current payment is about $1000 per month. Residual is $43,000. Audi offered me $49,000 for the car, which equates to about the same as my residual plus 6 months of payments at $1k/mth. Am i missing anything here or is this a decent deal? Bluebook value for a private sale with same mileage is $49k as well.
Also, is there negotiating room there or is that a take it or leave it, have never returned a lease before.
I have a 2017 Audi A7. I did a 3 year lease / 30k miles total but only have 15,000 miles on it currently. My lease is up in 6 months and current payment is about $1000 per month. Residual is $43,000. Audi offered me $49,000 for the car, which equates to about the same as my residual plus 6 months of payments at $1k/mth. Am i missing anything here or is this a decent deal? Bluebook value for a private sale with same mileage is $49k as well.
Also, is there negotiating room there or is that a take it or leave it, have never returned a lease before.
Thanks in advance.
You really aren't returning the car, you are trading it in, right? Do you know the current payoff for the lease?
I have a 2017 Audi A7. I did a 3 year lease / 30k miles total but only have 15,000 miles on it currently. My lease is up in 6 months and current payment is about $1000 per month. Residual is $43,000. Audi offered me $49,000 for the car, which equates to about the same as my residual plus 6 months of payments at $1k/mth. Am i missing anything here or is this a decent deal? Bluebook value for a private sale with same mileage is $49k as well.
Also, is there negotiating room there or is that a take it or leave it, have never returned a lease before.
Thanks in advance.
You really aren't returning the car, you are trading it in, right? Do you know the current payoff for the lease?
Wouldn't the current payoff be equal to the residual plus the remaining payments? Which he did state in his message, $43,000 plus ( 6 * $1,000).
I have a 2017 Audi A7. I did a 3 year lease / 30k miles total but only have 15,000 miles on it currently. My lease is up in 6 months and current payment is about $1000 per month. Residual is $43,000. Audi offered me $49,000 for the car, which equates to about the same as my residual plus 6 months of payments at $1k/mth. Am i missing anything here or is this a decent deal? Bluebook value for a private sale with same mileage is $49k as well.
Also, is there negotiating room there or is that a take it or leave it, have never returned a lease before.
Thanks in advance.
You really aren't returning the car, you are trading it in, right? Do you know the current payoff for the lease?
Wouldn't the current payoff be equal to the residual plus the remaining payments? Which he did state in his message, $43,000 plus ( 6 * $1,000).
No.. usually, it's less, as there are "unearned" finance charge portions of the lease.
I have a 2017 Audi A7. I did a 3 year lease / 30k miles total but only have 15,000 miles on it currently. My lease is up in 6 months and current payment is about $1000 per month. Residual is $43,000. Audi offered me $49,000 for the car, which equates to about the same as my residual plus 6 months of payments at $1k/mth. Am i missing anything here or is this a decent deal? Bluebook value for a private sale with same mileage is $49k as well.
Also, is there negotiating room there or is that a take it or leave it, have never returned a lease before.
Thanks in advance.
You really aren't returning the car, you are trading it in, right? Do you know the current payoff for the lease?
Wouldn't the current payoff be equal to the residual plus the remaining payments? Which he did state in his message, $43,000 plus ( 6 * $1,000).
I'm just returning it and am going to start a new lease with an A6. So i believe the payoff is what you mention the $43k plus remaining payments? They basically offered me the same.
Q, looking for a trade number for the 2015 VW Golf SE.
2015 VW Golf SE Blue silk over beige leatherette 53,700 miles Ft. Lauderdale area Very good condition 2018 accident on CarFax Run flat tires with decent tread left Sun/moon roof XM radio in infotainment center
Might be time to get something new as I'm thinking of retiring again. Thanks again.
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
But i thought i might be able to arbitrage it slightly because i am so far under on the mileage (15,000 on a 30,000 mile lease).
Unless Audi has a specified "pull-ahead" program (and, I don't think they do), then the only way to get out early, is for the dealer to take your car in trade, and payoff the lease. That is not the same as turning it back in to the bank. It's important to remember that the dealer and AFS are not the same entity.
You very well could have some equity in the vehicle, with the low mileage, but to have any chance of realizing anything from it, you have to gird yourself with the proper information. Don't assume your payoff amount. Call AFS and ask them for it. Then, you'll know if you are being treated fairly by your dealer.
Friend of a friend bought a 2009 Honda Pilot with only 35,000 miles on it, and paid a premium price. Well they asked me for advice as the CARFAX that they purchased AFTER buying the car showed a mileage discrepancy.
Sure enough a scan tool verified 137,000 miles on it.
They paid cash, seller has disappeared from the face of the earth.
Friend of a friend bought a 2009 Honda Pilot with only 35,000 miles on it, and paid a premium price. Well they asked me for advice as the CARFAX that they purchased AFTER buying the car showed a mileage discrepancy.
Sure enough a scan tool verified 137,000 miles on it.
They paid cash, seller has disappeared from the face of the earth.
Nasty business.
did they buy from a business or person? Is the business gone or person moved from their home?
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Q, looking for a trade number for the 2015 VW Golf SE.
2015 VW Golf SE Blue silk over beige leatherette 53,700 miles Ft. Lauderdale area Very good condition 2018 accident on CarFax Run flat tires with decent tread left Sun/moon roof XM radio in infotainment center
Might be time to get something new as I'm thinking of retiring again. Thanks again.
$7k-$7500 would be my guess.
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Friend of a friend bought a 2009 Honda Pilot with only 35,000 miles on it, and paid a premium price. Well they asked me for advice as the CARFAX that they purchased AFTER buying the car showed a mileage discrepancy.
Sure enough a scan tool verified 137,000 miles on it.
They paid cash, seller has disappeared from the face of the earth.
Nasty business.
did they buy from a business or person? Is the business gone or person moved from their home?
Person---they've vanished apparently. I'm steerin' clear of the whole thing.
Here's a caution for everyone.
Friend of a friend bought a 2009 Honda Pilot with only 35,000 miles on it, and paid a premium price. Well they asked me for advice as the CARFAX that they purchased AFTER buying the car showed a mileage discrepancy.
Sure enough a scan tool verified 137,000 miles on it.
They paid cash, seller has disappeared from the face of the earth.
Nasty business.
Ouch!
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD, 2025 Toyota Camry SE AWD
Apparently they just want to sell it and concentrate on other problems (health issues). I'm not going to interfere or do an "I told you so", although it's tempting. Nice people, too.
There's a place on the title where you check that the odometer is incorrect--then I guess you write out a Bill of Sale that declares the true mileage and everybody signs it, including a witness. As for what the new people do with it--who knows? The CARFAX would bust them, providing somebody checked it.
Too bad. It's a nice clean truck just loaded with every conceivable option--top of the line. These folks are going to take a hit on it, no question.
well, if the condition is good (it must be pretty clean if is passed for a 37K unit) why not just keep it and get use out of it? The money is already sunk.
well, if the condition is good (it must be pretty clean if is passed for a 37K unit) why not just keep it and get use out of it? The money is already sunk.
agreed! Why sell it? It's still the same car, just has more miles than they thought.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
Keeping the Pilot and reporting it to the appropriate authorities to attempt to get some type of relief would be a feasible option, I'd think. My Tahoe has almost 130k, but would pass for something with probably half the mileage, but I'm proud that it's kept on ticking for 10 years and that many miles.
sounds like they are out of luck though. If the scammers are gone, no one to go after. And the police are unlikely to put any effort into this. So, they have a car, and a life lesson, water under the bridge. Just need to make the best of it going forward.
And yet one more reason to just pony up for a new car!
sounds like they are out of luck though. If the scammers are gone, no one to go after. And the police are unlikely to put any effort into this. So, they have a car, and a life lesson, water under the bridge. Just need to make the best of it going forward.
And yet one more reason to just pony up for a new car!
Or one reason not to buy a "low mile" used car!
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
That would be a bitter experience finding out the mileage was tremendously higher than represented. It sounds like the Pilot was well kept and assuming it was, it should have many more miles left in it. Our 2010 has 135k and looks and drives nicely. Probably a good idea to have the timing belt and associated service done to prevent a greater problem.
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
That would be a bitter experience finding out the mileage was tremendously higher than represented. It sounds like the Pilot was well kept and assuming it was, it should have many more miles left in it. Our 2010 has 135k and looks and drives nicely. Probably a good idea to have the timing belt and associated service done to prevent a greater problem.
When we traded in our 2011 Pilot, it had 102,000 miles on it. Like yours @sda, it looked like it had maybe 35 - 40K miles.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD, 2025 Toyota Camry SE AWD
Interested in a vehicle. It's a 2017 Benz in Omaha Nebraska. My Zip is 68147. Credit score between 720-50. MSRP $37988. Selling at $36973. Comes with 18k miles. The on-site payment calculator is figured with my down payment of 6% ($2200 down) over 72 months, with $556/month before additional taxes. Vin #WDC0G4KB2HF191909
I didn't see the point in dropping a large sum for a down payment. No trade-in. But what sort of wiggle room could I negotiate here?
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2016 Z4
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
https://www.landroverdenver.com/used/BMW/2011-BMW-Z4-965c9afa0a0d0cc74fa150fa4f8cbbcf.htm
At the end of the day, I don't think I'd trade the practical nature of my Miata for an 8 year old BMW with the turbo I-6. But on the other hand, it is the turbo I-6.
And, as @stickguy would say, it has the right number of pedals.
So how optimistic is this Land Rover dealer on their pricing of the Z4? (and I hate this Land Rover dealer by the way).
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
And you know it was lowballed as a trade because “manuals are hard to sell.”
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD, 2025 Toyota Camry SE AWD
I've come to the conclusion that if dealerships kept their hands off cars, they wouldn't have to charge a "Handling Fee". :@
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
jmonroe
So you expect them to levitate off the transporter and onto the lot?
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
$32,000
$2,000
$300
That comes out to $34,300 OTD (out the door). I make that offer, and make sure they know it is my one and only offer, and is all inclusive. They take it or they don’t take it. “Handling fees” have no part in my equations. They can manipulate the numbers anyway they want, sell me the car for $500 and charge me a $33,900 handling fee, I don’t care. I only care about what I have to write on the check (or finance).
Why not? If it cuts down on the cost of cars, it's worth a shot.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I'm looking at leasing a new car and a dealer offered to take my current lease off me (currently leasing a 2017 Volt until end of august). Does anyone has knowledge of the pitfalls of transferring a lease a few months early in order to buy/lease a new vehicle?
Thank you.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
year- 2016
make- HYUNDAI
model- ELANTRA
color- PHANTOM BLACK
mileage- 32,000
transmission- AUTOMATIC
condition- GREAT
location- MA
Also, is there negotiating room there or is that a take it or leave it, have never returned a lease before.
Thanks in advance.
Do you know the current payoff for the lease?
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2015 VW Golf SE
Blue silk over beige leatherette
53,700 miles
Ft. Lauderdale area
Very good condition
2018 accident on CarFax
Run flat tires with decent tread left
Sun/moon roof
XM radio in infotainment center
Might be time to get something new as I'm thinking of retiring again. Thanks again.
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
You very well could have some equity in the vehicle, with the low mileage, but to have any chance of realizing anything from it, you have to gird yourself with the proper information. Don't assume your payoff amount. Call AFS and ask them for it. Then, you'll know if you are being treated fairly by your dealer.
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Friend of a friend bought a 2009 Honda Pilot with only 35,000 miles on it, and paid a premium price. Well they asked me for advice as the CARFAX that they purchased AFTER buying the car showed a mileage discrepancy.
Sure enough a scan tool verified 137,000 miles on it.
They paid cash, seller has disappeared from the face of the earth.
Nasty business.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD, 2025 Toyota Camry SE AWD
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
Too bad. It's a nice clean truck just loaded with every conceivable option--top of the line. These folks are going to take a hit on it, no question.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
And yet one more reason to just pony up for a new car!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD, 2025 Toyota Camry SE AWD
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I didn't see the point in dropping a large sum for a down payment. No trade-in. But what sort of wiggle room could I negotiate here?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Original Package MSRP: $3,600
Original Package MSRP: $1,480
Original Package MSRP: $850
Original Package MSRP: $580
Original Package MSRP: $575
Original Package MSRP: $350