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ab348 · July 2019

I don't think a dog person should ever get involved with a cat person. They'll fight like cats and dogs.

ab348 · July 2019

Back to cars, I posted this over in CCBA but it may also be of interest to some here. Automotive News reports that Ford has informed its dealers to fix those problematic Fiesta and Focus DSG automatic transmissions for free, apparently regardless of whether under warranty or otherwise:

https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/ford-tells-us-dealers-repair-small-car-transmissions-free

berri · July 2019

Take a look at today's Detroit Free Press. That offer apparently isn't exactly what it sounds.

carnaught · July 2019

I think “Cats” was originally written as “Clowns” but they revised it because people are freaked at clowns.

abacomike · July 2019

qbrozen said:
I was alive when Top Gun came out, and probably part of the target audience. However, I have never been able to sit through it. Have never been much of a Tom Cruise fan.

I agree except for his “Mission Impossible” films. I believe, as part of an ensemble cast, he does a great job.

abacomike · July 2019

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:
My ex wanted me to take her to see Cats on Broadway many years ago. I took her. To me, the worst waste of money I've ever spent.

Looking back, it should have been a sign of things to come.
Did anyone really like Cats....or do people think they have to say they liked it? I don't get it, and the cat suits in the movie look really creepy......scarier than Friday the 13th.

Perhaps even scarier than what you look like in your super hero costumes! 🤪😜😝😛

graphicguy · July 2019

Now this sounds interesting....

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2019/07/19/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c-8-stingray-price-features/1775203001/

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

graphicguy said:
My ex wanted me to take her to see Cats on Broadway many years ago. I took her. To me, the worst waste of money I've ever spent.

Looking back, it should have been a sign of things to come.

That play is very popular with the “furries”, in fact I think it may have started that movement. If you don’t know what that is look it up as I might get booted if I described it further.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

ab348 said:
Back to cars, I posted this over in CCBA but it may also be of interest to some here. Automotive News reports that Ford has informed its dealers to fix those problematic Fiesta and Focus DSG automatic transmissions for free, apparently regardless of whether under warranty or otherwise:

https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/ford-tells-us-dealers-repair-small-car-transmissions-free

Hard to tell whether that’s being a stand up company or enlightened self-interest to get ahead of lawsuits. Either way, it’s good news for owners.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

graphicguy said:
Now this sounds interesting....

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2019/07/19/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c-8-stingray-price-features/1775203001/

Now where can I scrape together $60k?

driver100 · July 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:
My ex wanted me to take her to see Cats on Broadway many years ago. I took her. To me, the worst waste of money I've ever spent.

Looking back, it should have been a sign of things to come.
That play is very popular with the “furries”, in fact I think it may have started that movement. If you don’t know what that is look it up as I might get booted if I described it further.

I never heard of a Furry before....you see, I learn something every day around here....although this was something I would rather not have known

driver100 · July 2019

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:
My ex wanted me to take her to see Cats on Broadway many years ago. I took her. To me, the worst waste of money I've ever spent.

Looking back, it should have been a sign of things to come.
Did anyone really like Cats....or do people think they have to say they liked it? I don't get it, and the cat suits in the movie look really creepy......scarier than Friday the 13th.
Perhaps even scarier than what you look like in your super hero costumes! 🤪😜😝😛

At least it is a super hero costume and not a "Furry" costume like oldfarmer had to bring to my attention

driver100 · July 2019

ab348 said:
I don't think a dog person should ever get involved with a cat person. They'll fight like cats and dogs.

For the record, I have nothing against cats the animals, it is only the play that I wish I could unsee.

tjc78 · July 2019

I think the music is what draws people to Cats. I mean Mister Mistoffelees and Memories are such good tunes.

driver100 · July 2019

tjc78 said:
I think the music is what draws people to Cats. I mean Mister Mistoffelees and Memories are such good tunes.

When someone actually refers to the Cats by name I get worried

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

Looks like Ford isn’t the only company that has screwed up:

https://youtu.be/2ZMfbbc86AY

jwm40517 · July 2019

I remember an old CSI TV show with a murder at a "Furry" convention, real freak show.

andres3 · July 2019

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:
Nevada's information about HOV lanes does not technically mention whether a dead body counts as a passenger. The law mentions qualifying vehicles for HOV lanes as those "transporting more than one person."

However, Police in Nevada have confirmed you do, in fact, have to be alive to be counted as a passenger in a car.
Yes, but Police don't have the power to interpret laws. That's the Court's/Judges responsibility. However, the Police do get to ENFORCE the laws as they interpret them, but it might not hold up, and no one likes having their cases thrown out or overturned, except maybe traffic court judges.
Two things, first is how is it defined in the law? If it's not defined in the law itself then the courts will use the common definition in use at the time the law was written. My Webster's dictionary defines person as a living human being.

Secondly courts have already determined that persons have to be in their own separate seat. Hence Mrs. Andres sitting on your lap or your kidnapped victim locked in your trunk wouldn't count as a second person.

I think Webster's is unique in that definition including "live" in "person." Either way, there's defintely disagreement among Dictionary writers.

When you say "courts have already determined" which State(s) are you referring to, and how high of a Court? The State Supreme Court could always overturn it, let alone the Federal one.

qbrozen · July 2019

I first heard of furries in an episode of Entourage. haha.

driver100 · July 2019

Seems Ford knew about the faulty transmissions;
The memo, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, followed a July 11 report by the newspaper that said Ford knew about the transmission defects yet sold them anyway.

Automotive News reported this month that former Ford CEO Mark Fields has been called to testify in ongoing litigation surrounding the troublesome gearboxes, which have haunted the automaker for years.

Ford reached a settlement in 2017 in a class-action lawsuit covering 1.9 million owners

Now Nissan admits their cars have transmission problems, shaking, stalling, hesitating etc.

And, some people wonder why I would pay extra to buy a quality MB, BMW or Audi. They may have a problem, but, it seems they find a cure, and I have never been exposed to actual poor workmanship.

One note.....you may recall the Audi with the clutch that gave out. It may have been a fault with the car, but, I now think there is an extremely good possibility the SIL may have been taking it out and tried to drive a standard...or tried to teach his kid how to drive one. I think that is more possible than a transmission fault. I have changed my mind lately, and I am going to give Audi the benefit of the doubt.

andres3 · July 2019

graphicguy said:
Was at a car show last weekend.....mostly British iron. Saw a guy pull up in a Stinger GT. We started talking as we were looking around at the different MGs, Triumphs, etc.

I told him I almost pulled the trigger on a Stinger last year. He said he loved the car, but hated the service.

He said he has some build quality and material quality issues with the car, but has had to fight tooth and and nail with 3 different KIA dealers to get them fixed. That was the one thing that kept me from buying one.....the dealerships that sold them.

Still....he showed me his...the grey ceramic metallic exterior and red interior.....super sharp car.

I think 100% of Kia Stingers have build and material quality issues, but that's just me at the price tag they are asking for it. Others opinions may vary.

sda · July 2019

I’ve seen more Kia Tellurides which were just introduced than I have Stingers. I did see a white Stinger a couple of days ago and it looks distinctive in a good way.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

driver100 said:
Seems Ford knew about the faulty transmissions;
The memo, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, followed a July 11 report by the newspaper that said Ford knew about the transmission defects yet sold them anyway.

Automotive News reported this month that former Ford CEO Mark Fields has been called to testify in ongoing litigation surrounding the troublesome gearboxes, which have haunted the automaker for years.

Ford reached a settlement in 2017 in a class-action lawsuit covering 1.9 million owners

Now Nissan admits their cars have transmission problems, shaking, stalling, hesitating etc.

And, some people wonder why I would pay extra to buy a quality MB, BMW or Audi. They may have a problem, but, it seems they find a cure, and I have never been exposed to actual poor workmanship.

One note.....you may recall the Audi with the clutch that gave out. It may have been a fault with the car, but, I now think there is an extremely good possibility the SIL may have been taking it out and tried to drive a standard...or tried to teach his kid how to drive one. I think that is more possible than a transmission fault. I have changed my mind lately, and I am going to give Audi the benefit of the doubt.

Don’t be so kind to Audi. Your buddy Scotty Kilmer has a video which names one Audi model (particularly the standard shift version) as on the list of the worst cars ever made. He lumped the Audi stick in with several CVT clunkers.

explorerx4 · July 2019

The owner/main dance instructor where my kids took dance lessons was in the cast of Cats.
Didn't really like her, but she did provide the kids with some great opportunities to perform through her connections.

kyfdx · July 2019

explorerx4 said:
The owner/main dance instructor where my kids took dance lessons was in the cast of Cats.
Didn't really like her, but she did provide the kids with some great opportunities to perform through her connections.

Allergic?

explorerx4 · July 2019

@oldfarmer50,
Sort of forgot about that movie, although an interesting premise.
Kind of overkill shooting down that one plane with a missile.
I'm pretty sure Carlos Hathcock could have shot one down with a rifle.

pensfan83 · July 2019

qbrozen said:
I first heard of furries in an episode of Entourage. haha.

They have their convention in Pittsburgh every summer. Quite a sight if you find yourself near the the convention center. I've been barked at and sniffed. Awkward.

28firefighter · July 2019

The furry convention was in Pittsburgh at the convention center around the time I took the bar exam. Wasn't distracting at all.

driver100 · July 2019

explorerx4 said:
The owner/main dance instructor where my kids took dance lessons was in the cast of Cats.
Didn't really like her, but she did provide the kids with some great opportunities to perform through her connections.

Great, now you can say you know one of the actresses who played a cat.

driver100 · July 2019

28firefighter said:
The furry convention was in Pittsburgh at the convention center around the time I took the bar exam. Wasn't distracting at all.

How boring does your life have to get that you want to get dressed up and go to a furry convention?
Now a Halloween Party, I can understand.

driver100 · July 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
Seems Ford knew about the faulty transmissions;
The memo, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, followed a July 11 report by the newspaper that said Ford knew about the transmission defects yet sold them anyway.

Automotive News reported this month that former Ford CEO Mark Fields has been called to testify in ongoing litigation surrounding the troublesome gearboxes, which have haunted the automaker for years.

Ford reached a settlement in 2017 in a class-action lawsuit covering 1.9 million owners

Now Nissan admits their cars have transmission problems, shaking, stalling, hesitating etc.

And, some people wonder why I would pay extra to buy a quality MB, BMW or Audi. They may have a problem, but, it seems they find a cure, and I have never been exposed to actual poor workmanship.

One note.....you may recall the Audi with the clutch that gave out. It may have been a fault with the car, but, I now think there is an extremely good possibility the SIL may have been taking it out and tried to drive a standard...or tried to teach his kid how to drive one. I think that is more possible than a transmission fault. I have changed my mind lately, and I am going to give Audi the benefit of the doubt.
Don’t be so kind to Audi. Your buddy Scotty Kilmer has a video which names one Audi model (particularly the standard shift version) as on the list of the worst cars ever made. He lumped the Audi stick in with several CVT clunkers.

If I had to bet....I would bet the SIL did it.
Hard to damage a clutch through normal driving in 14k miles.

jmonroe1 · July 2019

driver100 said:

28firefighter said:
The furry convention was in Pittsburgh at the convention center around the time I took the bar exam. Wasn't distracting at all.
How boring does your life have to get that you want to get dressed up and go to a furry convention?
Now a Halloween Party, I can understand.

I can't.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

explorerx4 said:
@oldfarmer50,
Sort of forgot about that movie, although an interesting premise.
Kind of overkill shooting down that one plane with a missile.
I'm pretty sure Carlos Hathcock could have shot one down with a rifle.

Carlos could have nailed the pilot without damaging the plane.

andres3 · July 2019

driver100 said:
Seems Ford knew about the faulty transmissions;
The memo, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, followed a July 11 report by the newspaper that said Ford knew about the transmission defects yet sold them anyway.

Automotive News reported this month that former Ford CEO Mark Fields has been called to testify in ongoing litigation surrounding the troublesome gearboxes, which have haunted the automaker for years.

Ford reached a settlement in 2017 in a class-action lawsuit covering 1.9 million owners

Now Nissan admits their cars have transmission problems, shaking, stalling, hesitating etc.

And, some people wonder why I would pay extra to buy a quality MB, BMW or Audi. They may have a problem, but, it seems they find a cure, and I have never been exposed to actual poor workmanship.

One note.....you may recall the Audi with the clutch that gave out. It may have been a fault with the car, but, I now think there is an extremely good possibility the SIL may have been taking it out and tried to drive a standard...or tried to teach his kid how to drive one. I think that is more possible than a transmission fault. I have changed my mind lately, and I am going to give Audi the benefit of the doubt.

The Germans have a natural biased negative view of Americans' abilities to drive a manual/standard transmission correctly. Some skepticism on Audi's part doesn't surprise me. Not saying it's right, but they obviously snicker at our driving skills.

explorerx4 · July 2019

@sda,
I think the Telluride looks like what the Cadillac XT6 should have looked like.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

andres3 said:

driver100 said:
Seems Ford knew about the faulty transmissions;
The memo, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, followed a July 11 report by the newspaper that said Ford knew about the transmission defects yet sold them anyway.

Automotive News reported this month that former Ford CEO Mark Fields has been called to testify in ongoing litigation surrounding the troublesome gearboxes, which have haunted the automaker for years.

Ford reached a settlement in 2017 in a class-action lawsuit covering 1.9 million owners

Now Nissan admits their cars have transmission problems, shaking, stalling, hesitating etc.

And, some people wonder why I would pay extra to buy a quality MB, BMW or Audi. They may have a problem, but, it seems they find a cure, and I have never been exposed to actual poor workmanship.

One note.....you may recall the Audi with the clutch that gave out. It may have been a fault with the car, but, I now think there is an extremely good possibility the SIL may have been taking it out and tried to drive a standard...or tried to teach his kid how to drive one. I think that is more possible than a transmission fault. I have changed my mind lately, and I am going to give Audi the benefit of the doubt.
The Germans have a natural biased negative view of Americans' abilities to drive a manual/standard transmission correctly. Some skepticism on Audi's part doesn't surprise me. Not saying it's right, but they obviously snicker at our driving skills.

But driver100 is Canadian and they still gave him the stiff arm.

snakeweasel · July 2019

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:
Nevada's information about HOV lanes does not technically mention whether a dead body counts as a passenger. The law mentions qualifying vehicles for HOV lanes as those "transporting more than one person."

However, Police in Nevada have confirmed you do, in fact, have to be alive to be counted as a passenger in a car.
Yes, but Police don't have the power to interpret laws. That's the Court's/Judges responsibility. However, the Police do get to ENFORCE the laws as they interpret them, but it might not hold up, and no one likes having their cases thrown out or overturned, except maybe traffic court judges.
Two things, first is how is it defined in the law? If it's not defined in the law itself then the courts will use the common definition in use at the time the law was written. My Webster's dictionary defines person as a living human being.

Secondly courts have already determined that persons have to be in their own separate seat. Hence Mrs. Andres sitting on your lap or your kidnapped victim locked in your trunk wouldn't count as a second person.
I think Webster's is unique in that definition including "live" in "person." Either way, there's defintely disagreement among Dictionary writers.

When you say "courts have already determined" which State(s) are you referring to, and how high of a Court? The State Supreme Court could always overturn it, let alone the Federal one.

Well courts are very reluctant to overturn another courts decision unless there is an overwhelming reason to do so. Therefore its unlikely to be changed unless a state legislature addresses the issue. As for Federal courts getting involved, pursuant to the 10th amendment any federal court would pass on this issue.

berri · July 2019

Personally, I think unfortunately that more and more of our legal system and courts are about political affiliations. I mean, the press can usually guess right on how a judge or justice rules just based on whether they are liberal or conservative. There don't seem to be moderates anymore.

andres3 · July 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:
Seems Ford knew about the faulty transmissions;
The memo, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, followed a July 11 report by the newspaper that said Ford knew about the transmission defects yet sold them anyway.

Automotive News reported this month that former Ford CEO Mark Fields has been called to testify in ongoing litigation surrounding the troublesome gearboxes, which have haunted the automaker for years.

Ford reached a settlement in 2017 in a class-action lawsuit covering 1.9 million owners

Now Nissan admits their cars have transmission problems, shaking, stalling, hesitating etc.

And, some people wonder why I would pay extra to buy a quality MB, BMW or Audi. They may have a problem, but, it seems they find a cure, and I have never been exposed to actual poor workmanship.

One note.....you may recall the Audi with the clutch that gave out. It may have been a fault with the car, but, I now think there is an extremely good possibility the SIL may have been taking it out and tried to drive a standard...or tried to teach his kid how to drive one. I think that is more possible than a transmission fault. I have changed my mind lately, and I am going to give Audi the benefit of the doubt.
The Germans have a natural biased negative view of Americans' abilities to drive a manual/standard transmission correctly. Some skepticism on Audi's part doesn't surprise me. Not saying it's right, but they obviously snicker at our driving skills.
But driver100 is Canadian and they still gave him the stiff arm.

Canadian drivers fall under the USA/American umbrella.

driver100 · July 2019

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:
Seems Ford knew about the faulty transmissions;
The memo, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, followed a July 11 report by the newspaper that said Ford knew about the transmission defects yet sold them anyway.

Automotive News reported this month that former Ford CEO Mark Fields has been called to testify in ongoing litigation surrounding the troublesome gearboxes, which have haunted the automaker for years.

Ford reached a settlement in 2017 in a class-action lawsuit covering 1.9 million owners

Now Nissan admits their cars have transmission problems, shaking, stalling, hesitating etc.

And, some people wonder why I would pay extra to buy a quality MB, BMW or Audi. They may have a problem, but, it seems they find a cure, and I have never been exposed to actual poor workmanship.

One note.....you may recall the Audi with the clutch that gave out. It may have been a fault with the car, but, I now think there is an extremely good possibility the SIL may have been taking it out and tried to drive a standard...or tried to teach his kid how to drive one. I think that is more possible than a transmission fault. I have changed my mind lately, and I am going to give Audi the benefit of the doubt.
The Germans have a natural biased negative view of Americans' abilities to drive a manual/standard transmission correctly. Some skepticism on Audi's part doesn't surprise me. Not saying it's right, but they obviously snicker at our driving skills.
But driver100 is Canadian and they still gave him the stiff arm.
Canadian drivers fall under the USA/American umbrella.

He got you that time snake!

driver100 · July 2019

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

28firefighter said:
The furry convention was in Pittsburgh at the convention center around the time I took the bar exam. Wasn't distracting at all.
How boring does your life have to get that you want to get dressed up and go to a furry convention?
Now a Halloween Party, I can understand.

driver100: How boring does your life have to get that you want to get dressed up and go to a furry convention?
Now a Halloween Party, I can understand.

I can't.

jmonroe

So you need to go to a furry convention to get your kicks?

laurasdada · July 2019

While handsome, the Stinger is just too Optima-ish in style (IMHO, of course). That may give some buyers pause.

snakeweasel · July 2019

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:
Seems Ford knew about the faulty transmissions;
The memo, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, followed a July 11 report by the newspaper that said Ford knew about the transmission defects yet sold them anyway.

Automotive News reported this month that former Ford CEO Mark Fields has been called to testify in ongoing litigation surrounding the troublesome gearboxes, which have haunted the automaker for years.

Ford reached a settlement in 2017 in a class-action lawsuit covering 1.9 million owners

Now Nissan admits their cars have transmission problems, shaking, stalling, hesitating etc.

And, some people wonder why I would pay extra to buy a quality MB, BMW or Audi. They may have a problem, but, it seems they find a cure, and I have never been exposed to actual poor workmanship.

One note.....you may recall the Audi with the clutch that gave out. It may have been a fault with the car, but, I now think there is an extremely good possibility the SIL may have been taking it out and tried to drive a standard...or tried to teach his kid how to drive one. I think that is more possible than a transmission fault. I have changed my mind lately, and I am going to give Audi the benefit of the doubt.
The Germans have a natural biased negative view of Americans' abilities to drive a manual/standard transmission correctly. Some skepticism on Audi's part doesn't surprise me. Not saying it's right, but they obviously snicker at our driving skills.
But driver100 is Canadian and they still gave him the stiff arm.
Canadian drivers fall under the USA/American umbrella.
He got you that time snake!

Are you saying that oldfarmer and I are one in the same? How dare you insult oldfarmer like that.

explorerx4 · July 2019

Today got off to a bit of a rough start.
Took the Mustang out for a short ride, but couldn't get garage door to shut using the opener.
Using the inside button, it would only close if I held the button until the door was completely closed.
Took a look at the sensors and the red one was out.
Sometimes they can be reset, so I looked around online for a bit.
Cleaned the lenses of the green and red sensors, no luck.
Unplugged garage door and took wires off the red sensor and reattached, then plugged in garage door opener.
Red one now blinking, green one out!
Unplugged garage door and took wires off the green sensor and reattached, then plugged in garage door opener.
No change. Guess I'm going to call 'The Guy' to fix the sensors and check out the door in general, as it is 20 years old.
A while later, I decided to water some of the outside plants.
While walking by the door, take a look at the green sensor and it is lit with a steady green and red is also on.
Opened the door using the inside button, pulled car in and closed it using the remote n the car.
I guess it just took a few minute for everything to reset.

snakeweasel · July 2019

Where were you 50 years ago today?

laurasdada · July 2019

snakeweasel said:
Where were you 50 years ago today?

Going to the moon, Alice!

abacomike · July 2019

snakeweasel said:
Where were you 50 years ago today?

50-years ago I remember taking my wife to a drive-in movie when we heard the Eagle had landed on the moon. I don’t remember the name of the movie we saw, but at least I still remember what my wife’s name was! 😁😋🤪

ab348 · July 2019

I was 12 years old when the moonwalk occurred and I remember watching it on TV at home with my parents late at night. Something tells me that we might have rented a color TV for the occasion - something I convinced the parents to do from time to time when there were big events like the World Series or the Stanley Cup finals, before we got our own color set a couple of years later. Of course all of the live shots from the moon were black and white so the only color that night was from the CBS set with Cronkite.

tjc78 · July 2019

snakeweasel said:
Where were you 50 years ago today?

Wasn’t even a thought yet!

snakeweasel · July 2019

I was 8 at the time, IIRC we were at a picnic hosted by my dads companies credit union. There was someone there with a small TV somehow hooked up to their cars power watching the coverage leading up to the landing. Later that night we stayed up to watch the actual landing.

Later that week my grandfather told me when I'm his age they will be walking on Mars. Well they better hurry up.

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