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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sounds harsh, I'd expect a slap on the wrist and a strong warning for something like that.

    At least he's still a minor.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,743
    Any birthdays coming up?

    My son turns 5 on Wednesday, can you believe it, already? That's my 2nd child. When I bought my Forester we didn't have any kids!


    My family is entering the "busy season" as far as birthdays, etc. I officially crawl closer to my grave on 8/9, anniversary (7) on 8/19, along with several parent/sibling birthdays/anniversaries scattered in there. Our second child is due around 10/1 as well, so that is... bearing down. ;)

    Not sure what we are going to do with a second child as we can hardly keep up with one!

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    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    A misdemeanor and $421?!?! Yikes that's an expensive life lesson! I agree that it's worth at least consulting with a lawyer to find out the potential future ramifications (since he's a minor they may very well seal the record when he turns 18). Still, I would think most judges would be receptive to some sort of pre-trial diversion program (I.e. community service) that would keep his record clean.

    -Frank
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Great idea, Frank. I agree - especially if this is a first offense, the verdict is WAY too harsh.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Good instincts, we can clearly see he was clawing for traction with all fours.

    Apparently he's in to drop tops, or should I say bottoms! :D
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Apparently he's in to drop tops

    Usually they don't do that to you in Alaska unless there's a fishing pole in your hands and a 48 pound king salmon on the end of the line. :D
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    Maybe truck shopping... the ol Dodge is fading fast, and the FD has a surplus Ford 3/4 T for sale... may put in a bid. It could serve as a better spare rig & occasional driver than the Dodge can now.

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and agree with the citation and fine. If it scares the crap out of him, and it prevents other underage drinking it's money well spent. Also if you get a lawyer and get him "out of it" then in the future he'll feel that "oh I can just get a lawyer and get me out of it" in the future.

    I would question why he was under age drinking in the first place, that's the root of the problem....

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Not "out of it", but at least to protect his permanent record. I think he's OK because he was under 18, but still.

    He deserves community service, maybe having to attend an alcohol awareness class.

    Why'd he do it? My guess is peer pressure. I'm sure his dad will deal with that appropriately.

    He's just a kid, and the punishment seems rather harsh.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,743
    Hahaha! Steve, that is just cruel....... though funny. :blush:

    Honestly, my wife should have taken the photos of him before he started taking the clothes off. He looked far muddier when the shorts were up!

    He is our little mechanical engineer - loves hoses, machines, cords... anything that can be put together, taken apart, and made to do something. Oddly, though, I cannot keep his attention for more than a minute when I try to show him how to do something like change oil, rebuild a carburetor, etc. I guess he just too hands-on. :D
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    Frank,
    His friend's parents are getting a lawyer but Michael wanted to get it over with, especially since he in at camp in PA for only another 3 weeks and then back to school here in Florida.
    The record will be sealed at 18; his friend is getting his license suspended for 90 days (Michael doesn't drive yet, too busy with music). Michael did community service at the scene of the crime (Best Western) cleaning the grounds and public ares, taking out trash, and stuff like that.

    Mike, I also agree with him paying the fine; as for why he was drinking, I would go with peer pressure; he is a young 17 and still gaining his confidence...surrounded by all these older teens who were telling him to try, that's a recipe for didaster at that age. to show you how strong that kind of pressure is, Michael has tasted beer and thought it was disgusting, yet in front of his peers, he drank.

    Juice, I feel that the fine is excessive also, but it is a small town probably getting funding partially through these types of incidents; there are many camps in the area with LOTS of teen counselors. Michael worked hard for his money, giving guitar lessons twice a week; however, he realized that he must pay for his mistake and is willing to do so. As long as he learns a lesson from this...
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Ah, the indiscretions of youth... We've all been there, and we've all done that...

    Speaking of which, I remember when I was 15 or so, and got so drunk with my buddies that I got so sick that I was miserable for several days. That did the trick for me. I have never ever gotten so drunk in my life after that.

    It's a shame that Michael got caught. Let's hope he learned from that.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Mike, I also agree with him paying the fine; as for why he was drinking, I would go with peer pressure; he is a young 17 and still gaining his confidence...surrounded by all these older teens who were telling him to try, that's a recipe for didaster at that age. to show you how strong that kind of pressure is, Michael has tasted beer and thought it was disgusting, yet in front of his peers, he drank.

    Glad to hear that from the parent side. So often these days (my parents are both teachers) you hear of parents who swear up and down "not my kid" rather than facing the music. I'm sure he'll learn a lesson that will be invaluable in the future.

    -mike
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Serge- I agree with Mike that it's good to see a parent not trying to make excuses for their kid's actions and playing the blame game. And it's certainly a credit to young Mike's upbringing that he is so willing to accept responsibility and put the incident behind him :)

    -Frank
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Don't get me wrong, I think he deserves some punishment. But having a misdemeanor on your record when you are young and easily influenced by older camp counselors that were there? Who of us could have resisted that kind of temptation at that age?

    Make him pay the fine, he's learned his lesson I'm sure. But I mean, come on, a BAC of 0.04%? At his size that's like 4 sips of beer! (ok, maybe 1/3 of a beer) He certainly wasn't drunk.

    But let him who has no blame throw the first stone. I for one have nothing to say. (nor any stones to cast)

    I'm sure he's a good kid, Serge, and in a strange way this was probably good for him.

    tom
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,743
    I could have, would have, and did many times, but I had no peers who could say the same - many of whom were good kids and are grown to be good adults. Most of the others, I think, will eventually come around. :sick:

    Young Michael's willingness to accept responsibility and his father's support will prove invaluable here. He has a bright future ahead of him. This may have been the best outcome to the situation - especially considering that nobody came to harm; that fine is a stiff one, for sure, but often a hit to the pocketbook makes the impression last that much longer.

    Best wishes to you (and your son) for a far less "eventful" summer, Serge... or for more preferable events, anyway!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,743
    Thinking about it further, my wife recounted a story to me yesterday that put things in perspective for me a bit.

    She and a couple friends were talking when the subject of wine came up. After a couple minutes, one of them asked her which was her favorite type. She told them that she does not drink wine and followed up with offering that she does not drink alcohol of any kind when they asked her what she does drink. One of them said, "And your husband is okay with that?"

    They were blown off their rockers when she said that I do not drink either, and actually had a stronger opinion about it than she did when we first met. They said, "Not even beer? Every guy drinks beer!"

    So, apparently there is a social expectation about it, and I doubt age is much of a factor if my own childhood was any indication at all.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The record will be sealed at 18

    Good. Then he'll really learn his lesson right now yet it won't have long-term repercussions.
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    Serge,
    I echo Frank's comments. The fact that Michael accepts responsibility for his actions is a reflection of his upbringing and shows that he has a solid foundation. I'm sure he will learn and grow from this.
    Jim
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    But I mean, come on, a BAC of 0.04%?

    That's halfway to legally drunk in most states. It's 100% legally drunk for teens in all states.

    IMHO, teens are going to drink because of peer pressure and unfortunately the OP's son was caught. It happens to teens every single day. The police were just doing their job.

    The important thing is that the OP's son is taking responsibility for his actions. Way too many kids today expect Mommy and Daddy to handle it.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Serge,

    Something like this is just the thing to throw a scare into Michael. While it may not stop him from drinking in the future (when he egally can) it will make him think 2 or 3 times before doing it again. Plus you have obviously raised him with the fortitude to admit his mistakes and to accept repsonsibility for them.

    Mark
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    It's been very interesting for me to read the comments posted following "Michael's folly" ....

    I, too, appreciate the responsibility shown by both the father and the son ...

    I have stepsons who have both "dabbled" in underage drinking ... and neither got "caught" by authorities ... and I think THEY got the wrong message about the "state of things" .... by "getting away with it" ...

    our society has gotten VERY harsh with alcohol use among underage drinkers (and more harsh with legal drinkers than I ever remember) ... whether it's helping or not is hard to measure ...

    I will restate ... thankfully NO ONE WAS INJURED OR WORSE ...

    see ya guys ! (at least it brought us all out of the woodwork!)
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I think it would have been better for Michael to not have the experience at all, but if you look at the whole chain of events there is certainly a life lesson, and I am a big fan of life lessons. Of the many ways teens learn lessons the hard way, this is certainly better than most. One of my coworkers lost a teenage son to a drinking-related auto accident (he was a passenger) and I can tell you that is about the worst experience in the world. If Michael dipped his toe into the pool of alcohol responsibility and came out of it a little wet and with a valuable lesson, that's a good thing! Some people drown without ever learning the lesson...

    Craig
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    I'm not sure what having a BAC that is halfway to the legal limit (It only takes one drink, one beer, one glass of wine, one shot of hard liquor to reach that limit, BTW) has to do with Michael- he wasn't driving. I certainly don't condone driving under the influence of anything, whether it be alcohol, cough syrup, or not enough sleep!

    I personally do not drink any alcohol, but that is my own choice. He is getting to be old enough to make his own choices, and sounds like a good kid who just was in the wrong place at the wrong time. For those of you that are perfect and have never made a mistake, then go on and judge him and throw the book at him.

    I'm surprised how little understanding people have for Michael- maybe we're all too old and have forgotten what it's like to be a teenager? ;)

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Notice I've been defending him.

    When I was 17 I'm sure I would have been doing enough that dad would have had to drive up to PA to bail me out of that jail! :D

    But I swear, I wasn't with the two underage women and the donkey. ;)

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  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    a bit of my daughter's pregnancy at 15 ...

    no one seems to think much of an adult who has an "accident" but kids are definitely NOT supposed to have them ...

    everyone had an opinion ... few of those mattered since few stepped up to help her (and us) ....

    mostly the ones with "slings and arrows" were just glad it hadn't happened in their own family ...
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,743
    Tom, who has thrown the book at him? All the posts I read here are supportive of Serge and Michael. Debate looks mostly to be on the appropriateness of the consequences which, while certainly a matter of opinion, do not reflect upon the goodness of the individual(s) involved.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,743
    But they sure passed judgement quickly, did they not?! My sister was pregnant with her daughter at age 20. However, she was a senior in high school so folks in the community instantly condemned her. Never mind that the majority of those same people had their own children between 18 and 22 years old... :sick:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    I don't know if I want to open this can of worms or not. But I'm going to anyway. I was raised in a household in which one head was European. We got to sip wine with Sunday dinner when we were in our early teens. This laid a foundation for open discussion about it in the context of the family, as opposed to my peers who dabbled in it outside the house, in the context of equally inexperienced teens, sometimes with quite unpleasant results. I therefore feel that the age ought to be dropped to 18 or even 16 so that what is currently "underage" can be moved out from under the athletic field bleachers and into the dining room, without parents feeling "guilty" for technically breaking the law.

    And then raise the driving age to 18 ;)
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    No, not all of the posts are supportive. Or perhaps it's just my interpretation. ;)

    Sorry about what you went through with your daughter Brenda. It's always easier to criticize than to build, isn't it?

    Hey, at least we got a lot of the crew to comment on stuff! Juice's pic was nice! (It isn't real, is it?)

    tom
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,743
    The pic is a shot from a scene in the old Tom Hanks movie Bachelor Party.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    But I swear, I wasn't with the two underage women and the donkey.

    Juice...none of the women in that pic appear remotely underage! :P
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    maybe it's the donkey....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I was trying to lighten the mood a bit. ;)

    The drinking age in Brazil is 18, and it's not enforced at all. In fact odds are the person serving you a beer on the beach is younger that your teen. :D

    It's different, though, getting beer in Brazil just doesn't seem to be a big deal, so teens aren't chasing after beer like crazy in the first place. I was in school in Brazil from 11-17 years of age, then I came here when I was 17, what a culture shock. Beer was worshipped here. In Brazil is was no big deal, I guess. You drank with your family, though, not sneaking around, hiding it.

    Maybe it's that breaking the rules and doing something seemingly rebellious makes it seem more fun than it is, I dunno.

    21 for a drinking age does seem rather high to me, especially when you can be drafted at 18. You can risk your life serving your country, yet win the war and you can't toast the victory with champagne?

    Obviously each family will deal with this issue the way they see fit, but you can bet your assets I'll be having a beer with my son on the beaches in Brazil when he's 18. :shades:
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    Actually, I truly appreciate all of the responses here. There were no unsupportive answers in my opinion. Just by posting your thoughts says more about it than anything.

    Michael has definitely learned his lesson (and an expensive one it is). He was really scared when he first called that morning, and since then has been pretty much toeing the line and sounding much more reflective. He was given the choice of fighting it but decided not to.

    I spoke to the judge's secretary in the courthouse this morning and it is a summry judgment with no permanent record. However, when he gets his license in Florida, there is the possibility of a 90 day suspension, assuming that Pennsylvania shares their data with the state of Florida (quite dubious IMHO)sometime down the road.
    Anyway, I will keep you guys posted.
    Serge

    Juice, is that donkey related to Hadji?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Why? Did he purr?
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I don't see how Florida could suspend a DL for an offense that occurred prior to the issuance of said DL. It makes even less sense given that the offense wasn't even driving related :confuse:

    -Frank
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    It makes even less sense given that the offense wasn't even driving related...

    But it's underage alcohol related - it's a hot button issue to many special interest groups and as such carries great importance to the legislators who rely on those special interest groups for (re)election.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I'm okay with making 18 the legal age for voting, drinking and driving. If you're old enough to die for your country then you should be albe to do the first two. As for driving, while there are of course exceptions, most 16 year-olds just don't possess the maturity and experience to be let loose behind the wheel of a 6k pound SUV :P

    -Frank
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I've always said, the best vehicle for a teenager to get around in? A bicycle. :D
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    When I was at college, a Sear's 10-speed was my sole source of transportation. And the drinking age was still 18. Guess I've dated myself :blush:

    -Frank
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    How about a skateboard. Bicycles are dangerous! :D

    My son is only 13 and is already asking for a car! He sees a car on the road, asks me if it's fast, and then says "I'll take one". :surprise: He's asked for an STi, an Evo, a Mustang, a saturn sky redline, and a 350Z.

    I told him he's lucky if he gets a huge Buick! :D

    He's now motivated to make some money and buy his own car.

    tom
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Hey, I couldn't stay on the fence anymore at got an ESX!!! :D

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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    A Subaru "ESX!" Pretty excited, eh!

    Bob
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Sorry, I just can't get the pic to show. It shows up when I preview but doesn't make it here. Oh well, I left a link to my carspace pics though.

    It's a great car- just a little small :D (1/10th scale). It has AWD, coilovers, fully adjustable suspension, sway bars, front and rear wishbone suspensions, and super fast steering! (less than one turn lock to lock). With the right mods to the electric motor it could easily do over 60mph!

    I saw it on Ebay and just couldn't resist. ;)

    tom
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Who of us could have resisted that kind of temptation at that age?


    I and most of my current friends.

    -mike
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Finally, an electric Subie makes it Stateside! Looks a little small compared to the R1e, though. ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Those look like two machine guns popping out from the hood, too. :shades:
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Yeah, a zero emissions high performance subie! The headroom stinks though! :D

    Juice, the "machine guns" are the body posts- I probably should have photo shopped those out first. The paint job looks amazingly close to the real thing.

    I don't know why the photo won't post directly- Edmunds keeps deleting it- I've tried posting from both Carspace and Imagestation. Is it too big? :confuse:

    tom
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