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stickguy · January 2020

seems to be a popular price point. a similar car, same miles, same money. But I like this interior better, and I think it has a few more options on it.

https://www.premierautogroupllc.com/vdp/13775486/Used-2012-Volvo-S80-4dr-Sdn-30L-for-sale-in-Turnersville-NJ-08012?utm_campaign=deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com

qbrozen · January 2020

Nice cars, but tough value proposition. At 8yrs/80k on each, they are getting close to that time when lots of maintenance will be needed. So $12k will probably turn into $16k in short order.

rayainsw · January 2020

breld - 'I remember how exciting it was to check periodically on the status and when it got on a boat, etc. Is that still how it works? '
Yes - and much the same as tracking my 2011 335iS once
we dropped it at Munich airport.
- Ray
Ready for delivery TODAY

graphicguy · January 2020

kyfdx said:

rayainsw said:
kyfdx
',,they gave me a BMW M340i with 382 HP for the day.'
I would be very interested in the specs of that M340i -
and your impressions.
Thanks,
- Ray
Mine is still 'in production'...
AWD.. ridiculously fast.

I actually drove it about 75 miles. Usually, I just take them home and park it.

Solidified my own feeling that I don't need any car with over 300 HP.

Bite your tongue!

stickguy · January 2020

I was thinking last night, that those 2012s could be due for timing belts shortly. So that can start adding up.

To me, buying this vintage means finding one with newer brakes, etc. with an already replaced T belt.

stickguy · January 2020

Wife texted this morning that the timeline to get a new car (and possibly wife!) almost got accelerated. Driving to work on 3 lane highway, in right lane, a semi In the middle lane decided it preferred her lane, so he came on over. She ended up on the shoulder at 65 mph. Thankfully it is wide there and nothing to hit so it was just a scare.

Michaell · January 2020

Speaking of older cars, I was browsing the on-line listings last weekend and stumbled across an '04 Acura TL, black over tan, with a 6-speed stick.

98K miles, private owner sale, and claimed the timing belt and water pump had been done.

Asking $8900.

stickguy · January 2020

Seems high. But interesting car.

graphicguy · January 2020

Old Acuras seem to claim big resale. I know of someone who buys Acuras (Vigors, TLs, RSXs, Integras, Legends) with over 150K miles. Puts a few bucks into them, and sells them for good profit. He claimed his resale cars are good for another 150K miles.

28firefighter · January 2020

Michaell said:
Speaking of older cars, I was browsing the on-line listings last weekend and stumbled across an '04 Acura TL, black over tan, with a 6-speed stick.

98K miles, private owner sale, and claimed the timing belt and water pump had been done.

Asking $8900.

How many miles? Seems a bit dear, but maybe if lower mileage.

Michaell · January 2020

28firefighter said:

Michaell said:
Speaking of older cars, I was browsing the on-line listings last weekend and stumbled across an '04 Acura TL, black over tan, with a 6-speed stick.

98K miles, private owner sale, and claimed the timing belt and water pump had been done.

Asking $8900.
How many miles? Seems a bit dear, but maybe if lower mileage.

Re read the original post. 98,000 miles.

pensfan83 · January 2020

I'd want to see documented evidence of the timing belt service. Should have also replaced the tensioner, drive belts, thermostat, and while you're doing all that changing the coolant is a good idea.

28firefighter · January 2020

Michaell said:

28firefighter said:

Michaell said:
Speaking of older cars, I was browsing the on-line listings last weekend and stumbled across an '04 Acura TL, black over tan, with a 6-speed stick.

98K miles, private owner sale, and claimed the timing belt and water pump had been done.

Asking $8900.
How many miles? Seems a bit dear, but maybe if lower mileage.
Re read the original post. 98,000 miles.

Sorry. It was a long night with the little one.

Seems a bit high even with all that done but if top notch condition, it could be worth it.

stickguy · January 2020

I can’t imagine doing a T belt and not doing the minor bits while in there. I think all the kits even include them. And nutty to not throw on a fresh water pump.

ab348 · January 2020

$9K for a 16 y-o sedan with 100K miles? Nope.

pensfan83 · January 2020

I agree but if the ad only calls out those 2 items I would assume it only means those 2 until evidenced otherwise. I'm a stickler on the details.

stickguy · January 2020

You expect way more out of on line ads than I do.

nyccarguy · January 2020

Even with the limited range, according to this review the Mini Cooper SE Electric is priced right and drives quite well: https://caranddriver.com/reviews/a30689865/2020-mini-cooper-se-drive/

stickguy · January 2020

110 miles, assuming best case. So with wrong weather, etc. suddenly you are sweating bullets at 75? So really limited use car with no REX.

28firefighter · January 2020

Looks like it gets the exact same powertrain as the i3S. My experience with BMW range reporting is that they are very conservative with their estimates.

roadburner · January 2020

I took my wife’s X1 in for new brake fluid/coolant/oil/spark plugs and I got a new X5 xDrive40i loaner. That is one nice cruiser. A lot bigger and heavier than I prefer, but I really like the new instrument cluster as well as the latest iteration of iDrive. Handling and power are adequate, but if I was wanting a BMW SUV it would have to be an X3 M40i at a minimum.

laurasdada · January 2020

GFs boss got a new X5 over the weekend, was rear ended driving to work on day one this week.

stickguy · January 2020

Hope it was either totaled, or a lease. And of course that the boss was OK.

laurasdada · January 2020

Yes, as far as she told me, just rear bumper damage to his, he's fine (similar to what happened to GFs CX-5). I think he's leasing, but less than 24 hours after picking it up. Commuting's a dangerous game.

fintail · January 2020

That interior has me craving a chocolate bar. I recall those could be had with a V8, I wonder how those are in terms of maintenance.

stickguy said:
seems to be a popular price point. a similar car, same miles, same money. But I like this interior better, and I think it has a few more options on it.

https://www.premierautogroupllc.com/vdp/13775486/Used-2012-Volvo-S80-4dr-Sdn-30L-for-sale-in-Turnersville-NJ-08012?utm_campaign=deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com

stickguy · January 2020

Expensive. Actually can be a durable engine, but the car has specific needs and not cheap parts.

roadburner · January 2020

nyccarguy said:
Even with the limited range, according to this review the Mini Cooper SE Electric is priced right and drives quite well: https://caranddriver.com/reviews/a30689865/2020-mini-cooper-se-drive/

I’m tempted.

carnaught · January 2020

Anybody have dealings with VROOM to buy their car? I found that their bids were higher than Carvana and Carmax, much higher than Autotrader (utilizing KBB).

stickguy · January 2020

I never shopped to them. I do see their ads though for sales, and looks to me like they don't always have as nice stuff. Kinda curious where their inventory comes from .

But if they are set up like Carvana and legit, take their offer if it is better. Just hope they don't try and stick it to you in the end, but that would definitely become known in reviews.

oldfarmer50 · January 2020

stickguy said:
keeping on my Volvo kick, I actually always liked these. I think the styling is sharp, and aged well. Pretty well loaded up, and should be pretty quick with 300HP. AWD too, so good in the winter. Great color too. And of course, some of the best seats ever (the 80 always seemed to have slightly roomier thrones than the smaller cars)
No clue what they really go for, but for the age and miles, does not seem like a crazy price.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2012-volvo-s80-t6-used-yv1902ah6c1158696.html

Nice style, nice color. I like lower miles (under. 60k) but that’s my fetish. How is that vintage on reliability. Did Ford still own them in 2012?

oldfarmer50 · January 2020

Michaell said:
Speaking of older cars, I was browsing the on-line listings last weekend and stumbled across an '04 Acura TL, black over tan, with a 6-speed stick.

98K miles, private owner sale, and claimed the timing belt and water pump had been done.

Asking $8900.

Wasn’t that the era of the glass transmissions?

Around here prices are all over the place but usually less than that one. Is the premium for the stick?

https://www.listingallcars.com/vdp/-9075718295771240213/Used-2004-Acura-TL-for-sale-in-Salem-MA-01970-by-Witch-City-Auto-Sales

pensfan83 · January 2020

Automatics yes, but I've never read anything problematic about the manual transmissions.

qbrozen · January 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:
keeping on my Volvo kick, I actually always liked these. I think the styling is sharp, and aged well. Pretty well loaded up, and should be pretty quick with 300HP. AWD too, so good in the winter. Great color too. And of course, some of the best seats ever (the 80 always seemed to have slightly roomier thrones than the smaller cars)
No clue what they really go for, but for the age and miles, does not seem like a crazy price.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2012-volvo-s80-t6-used-yv1902ah6c1158696.html

Nice style, nice color. I like lower miles (under. 60k) but that’s my fetish. How is that vintage on reliability. Did Ford still own them in 2012?

No, Ford sold them in 2010, but they never affected Volvo's cars, so it didn't matter. If nothing else, they saved them some money with the joint development of the S40/Mazda3/Focus platform.

qbrozen · January 2020

carnaught said:
Anybody have dealings with VROOM to buy their car? I found that their bids were higher than Carvana and Carmax, much higher than Autotrader (utilizing KBB).

Yes. I used Vroom once and Carvana once. I tried to use Vroom a second time, but they gave me a hard time about the car from my dad's estate being in the name of the estate, so I sold it locally instead. When I did use them, they were slower than Carvana. Vroom was kind of a mystery as to when they were picking it up, when they were paying it off, etc, and they insisted everything be FedEx'd back and forth, while Carvana was all electronic. I believe Carvana was in the neighborhood of 4 days start to finish, while Vroom took nearly 2 weeks.

nyccarguy · January 2020

roadburner said:

nyccarguy said:
Even with the limited range, according to this review the Mini Cooper SE Electric is priced right and drives quite well: https://caranddriver.com/reviews/a30689865/2020-mini-cooper-se-drive/
I’m tempted.

Just wait until they don't sell any and BMW starts leasing them out super cheap at the end of the year.

28firefighter · January 2020

nyccarguy said:

roadburner said:

nyccarguy said:
Even with the limited range, according to this review the Mini Cooper SE Electric is priced right and drives quite well: https://caranddriver.com/reviews/a30689865/2020-mini-cooper-se-drive/
I’m tempted.
Just wait until they don't sell any and BMW starts leasing them out super cheap at the end of the year.

Curious to see what they do with leasing and if they'll pass along the $7500 credit.

stickguy · January 2020

I’d get one when it’s time for a low use 2nd car. As long as I can get it for $160/month like QB’s Ioniq!

ab348 · January 2020

No real surprise given that the Fusion is going away, but Automotive News is reporting that the Lincoln MKZ is being discontinued.

ab348 · January 2020

Speaking of Volvos, I saw something on one (a S60) this week that surprised me. Walking past it in a parking lot, I noticed it had steel winter wheels with decent-looking wheel covers with the Volvo logo in the center. I don't remember seeing a Volvo equipped that way before in recent years. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention.

oldfarmer50 · January 2020

ab348 said:
No real surprise given that the Fusion is going away, but Automotive News is reporting that the Lincoln MKZ is being discontinued.

Same car.

tifighter · January 2020

stickguy said:
keeping on my Volvo kick, I actually always liked these. I think the styling is sharp, and aged well. Pretty well loaded up, and should be pretty quick with 300HP. AWD too, so good in the winter. Great color too. And of course, some of the best seats ever (the 80 always seemed to have slightly roomier thrones than the smaller cars)
No clue what they really go for, but for the age and miles, does not seem like a crazy price.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2012-volvo-s80-t6-used-yv1902ah6c1158696.html

This is the sedan version of the XC70 I had until recently, with the older dashboard. Like the color.

Pros - Seats, quiet cruiser, mine was dead reliable. AWD system is good. I think this styling has aged well.

Cons - Thirsty w/T6, and it wants premium. Heavy, and it drives that way.

No HIDs on this one is no bueno. I can't even imagine how the NA inline-6 must have driven, but dog comes to mind.

corvette · January 2020

ab348 said:
Speaking of Volvos, I saw something on one (a S60) this week that surprised me. Walking past it in a parking lot, I noticed it had steel winter wheels with decent-looking wheel covers with the Volvo logo in the center. I don't remember seeing a Volvo equipped that way before in recent years. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention.

Probably something the dealers in Canada offer as a winter tire/wheel package, less expensive than OEM alloys.

tjc78 · January 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:
No real surprise given that the Fusion is going away, but Automotive News is reporting that the Lincoln MKZ is being discontinued.
Same car.

Yes, they certainly can't keep making the MKZ if the Fusion is gone!

I always liked both. The Fusion drove nicely and looked pretty good.

stickguy · January 2020

What did they call the Lincoln model of the first fusion? Mercury was Milan. I saw the Lincoln model a few days ago.

tjc78 · January 2020

Zephyr

fintail · January 2020

Or maybe even as a basic package. In the early 00s, MB in Canada equipped basic W203 C-class with plastic hubcaps, never offered in this market. Always weird variances with that brand between the markets.

corvette said:

Probably something the dealers in Canada offer as a winter tire/wheel package, less expensive than OEM alloys.

fintail · January 2020

Funny thing, my friend who actually bought a loaded new MKZ for himself also picked up a Fusion for his other half. They are pleased with both cars, and this is his second MKZ. Ford is likely going to lose a customer when it comes to replacement.

tjc78 said:

Yes, they certainly can't keep making the MKZ if the Fusion is gone!

I always liked both. The Fusion drove nicely and looked pretty good.

breld · January 2020

I like that Mini Hardtop Electric also. If there are deals to be had toward the end of the year, I'd consider one, taking advantage of the $7,500 federal rebate plus the $4,000 Colorado state rebate (that goes down to $2,500 in 2021).

Though a 2017 i3 REX can be had for less than $20k, and that would relieve any sense of range anxiety.

Michaell · January 2020

Hey everyone - I know not everyone here checks out the C&C thread, so I wanted to post a link to this press release:

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200129005766/en/CarMax-Partners-Digital-Automotive-Leader-Edmunds

explorerx4 · January 2020

Zephyr got renamed to MKZ and yes it's going away.
That's why i bought one before it is the last year they are bring manufactured.
What is all this talk of timing belts and water pumps?
Last couple of vehicles we kept for 12+ years and 140 to 150k only had the accessory belt, tensioner and PCV replaced.

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