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carnaught · April 2020

Try this Sirius/XM link, especially if your plan ran out:

https://care.siriusxm.com/winback_view.action?plans=sir_aud_evt,promo - select - 5mo - 19.99 -

abacomike · April 2020

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

stickguy said:
one downside to the low cars with "sporty" front air dams. My TLX has a faux splitter lip, and it will scrape on even modest parking blocks, stuff that either RDX does not even notice. Will also scrape at the bottom of my driveway if I don't hit it at the right spot/angle.
Yes, my ATS has the same affliction. A couple of times a year I need to lie down on my back in the driveway with the touch-up paint and fill in the gouges.
I'm probably gonna get hit with some flak for this but I'm kinda surprised to hear you admit to this. Wouldn't it just be a lot easier to learn how low your car sits? Once would have been enough for me.

jmonroe
On top of that, he should have call “the guy”- no telling how much expensive damage he risked causing by attempting the repair on his own.
You have to keep "The Guy" employed so he will still be around when you really do need him.

Keep him on retainer - that way he is on call!😜

abacomike · April 2020

I finally went out today after 8 days in isolation. Drove over to doctor's office for blood test supplies and they were kind enough to give me 1/2 dozen face masks that they use in the office. Nice of them.

I then drove over to Costco for PUG - $2.15 a gallon.

I then went over to my bank to use their ATM to get some cash.

Finally, I went over to Publix 3 miles from my house - not the one 3 blocks away. The place was empty. They don't have much in the way of frozen vegetables but I got enough of what I eat.

So, I covered a lot of ground today. It was nice to get out - but way too hot and humid - 90 degrees - ugh!😫

driver100 · April 2020

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:
You guys are forcing me to do one of my periodic "Sirius/XM is a scummy company with terrible business practices and nobody should ever give them a dime" posts. :@
You just have to overcome that crotchety old geezer attitude before it's too late.

jmonroe

Yeh, or we'll have another JMonroe around here.

graphicguy · April 2020

Again...thanks everyone for answering my XM questions.

I must be unlucky. Called their number. Was told I'd have to pay $15 to reactivate my XM from the trial period and $22/mo. Kindly asked the XM lady if there were any promotions I could get. She said those prices were the promotional rates. I thanked her, waited for another response, didn't get one, and finally hung up.

Will continue to just download podcasts on my iPhone and play them, along with my iTunes music.

dino001 · April 2020

driver100 said:
These are truisms by Stephen Wright - I like #5
1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.*
2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.
3 - Half the people you know are below average.
4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Modified 5: All statistics are made up, including this one.

jmonroe · April 2020

graphicguy said:
Again...thanks everyone for answering my XM questions.

I must be unlucky. Called their number. Was told I'd have to pay $15 to reactivate my XM from the trial period and $22/mo. Kindly asked the XM lady if there were any promotions I could get. She said those prices were the promotional rates. I thanked her, waited for another response, didn't get one, and finally hung up.

Will continue to just download podcasts on my iPhone and play them, along with my iTunes music.

Are you sure you called XM and not that Kia dealer that you stole the Stinger from? It could be that guy wants a little more from you.

jmonroe

dino001 · April 2020

graphicguy said:
Again...thanks everyone for answering my XM questions.

I must be unlucky. Called their number. Was told I'd have to pay $15 to reactivate my XM from the trial period and $22/mo. Kindly asked the XM lady if there were any promotions I could get. She said those prices were the promotional rates. I thanked her, waited for another response, didn't get one, and finally hung up.

Will continue to just download podcasts on my iPhone and play them, along with my iTunes music.

I was getting some $5/mo offers (for six months, or something like that), never read any of them too closely. I don't think SiriusXM is worth for me even a dollar per month. Listened to them maybe two or three times over my trial period. I'm pretty much set with my podcasts.

suydam · April 2020

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
The problem with a lockdown to combat a pandemic is not being able to quantify the impact.you see the end result of people getting it, but can’t tell how much worse it would have been without the restrictions, since those cases were prevented!
Countries that do lockdowns do much better. Countries where people comply do the best.
I dont know about that, Sweden isn't in a lockdown and their numbers are very low.

Also it is hard to compare country to country as customs, behaviors and demographics can change drastically between them, such factors can have a significant impact on covid 19 statistics.
Not true...Sweden is not doing well!
Sweden took the unusual step of not implementing a lockdown to halt the spread of the coronavirus.
The country urged people to practice social distancing but left places like shops and restaurants open, breaking the model followed by countries across Europe and the world.
Sweden has 477 deaths from the virus so far, but Prime Minister Stefan Löfven is now saying thousands will die from COVID-19 and that the country's parliament may bring in more restrictive measures.
Some experts have questioned the country's strategy, but Löfven appeared to reject criticism of it. Sweden's chief epidemiologist said the best strategy was simply asking people to stay apart
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-no-lockdown-test-thousands-deaths-expected-2020-4

Countries that do well, South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Places that monitor and have strict rules.
Sweden is doing a lot better than most other European countries.

And you cannot compare them to South Korea, Sinapore and Taiwan as the customs and culture differ greatly. It does make a difference.

Actually you can compare them, as South Korea and Taiwan are representative governments, and Hong Kong is mostly so. The countries that are doing the best are those that had early shelter in place combined with widespread testing. Although Germany’s rate is high, they have many fewer deaths because they actually — gasp! — CHECK UP on citizens recovering at home about a week in, which is when things often begin to go south. In other words, countries that have taken proactive approaches are doing much better that those that don’t or started too late, like Italy, Spain, and the United States.

roadburner · April 2020

graphicguy said:
Again...thanks everyone for answering my XM questions.

I must be unlucky. Called their number. Was told I'd have to pay $15 to reactivate my XM from the trial period and $22/mo. Kindly asked the XM lady if there were any promotions I could get. She said those prices were the promotional rates. I thanked her, waited for another response, didn't get one, and finally hung up.

Will continue to just download podcasts on my iPhone and play them, along with my iTunes music.

Every few months SXM offers a killer promotion to owners of deactivated radios. The deal I got on the Clubman was $124 for 3 years with no automatic renewal.

jipster · April 2020

I test drove the Mazda 6 Sport today, as well as the Kia Optima LX AND S. Unfortunately, I had to follow the Mazda 6 salesman in his company car. The guy was going 35 mph on side roads, and when getting on the highway only did 55mph. I felt like a granny or papaw going to church on Sunday morning. The car drove and handled well, as far as I could tell. Road bumps and noise were more pronounced than I thought they would be. The interior was very nice and luxurious. It was a red car with black interior. Very nice.

The Kia Optima LX drove and handled well. Good power . Comfortable ride. Nice exterior styling. The interior didn't have the quality in materials as the Mazda 6 had. So, I drove the sportier S model. Dual exhaust. Interior seats had a split of "leatherette" and upholstery. Kia needs to work on that interior though. The S comes with a $4,000 rebate. Maybe another $1k as I own a 2007 Optima. Still, not as nice as the 6,..but interesting.

The Acura sales manager sent me numbers to buy the TLX. Surprisingly good discounts.

The base model that's red:

Market value: $34,395
Savings: $6,548
Price: $27,846
Doc fee: $699
Sales tax: $1,625
Other fees. $62
Credit $750

Total: $29,683

The silver TLX with tech package:

Market value ....$37, 725
Savings. $7,720
Price. $30,004

Total out the door: $32,765

May look at a Nissan Altima SL($30,000 MSRP.) my nephew has on his lot. It's a 2019 corporate car with 9,000 miles. $19,500. Waiting to test.drive a Camry.

dino001 · April 2020

There are some allegations that Sweden is fudging its numbers in effort to avoid admitting that "going Boris" was a mistake. They have over six times (almost seven) the deaths as Norway with only 42% higher official number of confirmed cases, similar proportions with Finland (17 times as many deaths, only 3.4 times cases) or Denmark (3 times the death rate, 60 percent more cases). Those are all culturally similar with similar resources. It all suggests Swedish make way too few tests. They seem to be taking approach of break the thermometer and the fever will be gone.

suydam · April 2020

I think your heart is with the Acura. Go for it.

stickguy · April 2020

But try the Camry first! Good discount on the tlx though.

explorerx4 · April 2020

@ab348,
We have the social skills to get a good rate from SiriusXM.

Just renewed 3 subscriptions for a year for $77 each.
The representative said system wouldn't allow promotional rate on 2 of my radios, only a few days left until expiration, so she cancelled them and gave me the new subscriber rate.

jipster · April 2020

suydam said:
I think your heart is with the Acura. Go for it.

You're right. I love the car. I can afford it. But, man, don't know if I want to spend that much money.

Stick, my future son in law just bought a Camry SE. He and my daughter are in for socially distanced Easter this weekend. So, I'm going to test drive then.

Got the $1,000 additional debate money for my 2007 Kia Optima. That's a total of $5,000 in rebates. Dealer will do the wrap around warranty for 2 grand. That's10 years, 100,000 miles complete coverage.

Can get the Kia Optima S out the door for $23,000..No wrap around warranty.

imidazol97 · April 2020

This out of state vehicle was parked along a drive in the cemetery last Sunday. It's registered in KY and I believe KY says if you leave the state you have to quarantine for 14 days on returning. The hearse had a large political sign in the side window so I couldn't get a side view. Nice classic.

driver100 · April 2020

jipster said:

May look at a Nissan Altima SL($30,000 MSRP.) my nephew has on his lot. It's a 2019 corporate car with 9,000 miles. $19,500. Waiting to test.drive a Camry.

Jip, a busy day, busy few days out testing...and evaluating. Normally, I don't get too excited about Nissans (have had a courtesy car when the C250 was at the garage) but $19500 for a 2019 with low mileage is worth thinking about. Not a lot of fun to drive, but, gets the job done and it is pretty large. Do you think you are getting a little bit better of a deal because it is from a relatives lot...or is he giving you a regular deal. If it is regular deal I'd be more wary...if discounted more, it is probably a good deal....but, you have to like it. For me, i would get mad at myself for buying it and end up spending more because I would want to get into something I would like better...probably the Acura.

If that doesn't confuse you nothing will.

ab348 · April 2020

graphicguy said:
Again...thanks everyone for answering my XM questions.

I must be unlucky. Called their number. Was told I'd have to pay $15 to reactivate my XM from the trial period and $22/mo. Kindly asked the XM lady if there were any promotions I could get. She said those prices were the promotional rates. I thanked her, waited for another response, didn't get one, and finally hung up.

Will continue to just download podcasts on my iPhone and play them, along with my iTunes music.

ab348 said:
You guys are forcing me to do one of my periodic "Sirius/XM is a scummy company with terrible business practices and nobody should ever give them a dime" posts. :@

[clears throat] A-hem...

28firefighter · April 2020

@jipster looks like doing the lease and immediate buy would save you a couple grand on the TLX.

Michaell · April 2020

You're right. I love the car. I can afford it. But, man, don't know if I want to spend that much money.

In 2003, my mom wanted one more new car - the last new car she and my dad bought was 1973. They'd been driving a '91 Camry, bought used, for 7 or 8 years.

Dad was set on buying another Camry, when he discovered the Hyundai Sonata. Found out he could get a V6 GLS trim for the same price as a 4-cylinder Camry LE.

I think he ended up spending something like $17,500 on the Sonata - and, he complained about how expensive it was.

FWIW, that $17,500 then is about $24,700 today, with inflation. Pretty close to the Optima S you looked at.

But, like others have stated, I'd get the TLX. Just a cut above, all the way around.

roadburner · April 2020

jipster said:

suydam said:
I think your heart is with the Acura. Go for it.
You're right. I love the car. I can afford it. But, man, don't know if I want to spend that much money.

Stick, my future son in law just bought a Camry SE. He and my daughter are in for socially distanced Easter this weekend. So, I'm going to test drive then.

Got the $1,000 additional debate money for my 2007 Kia Optima. That's a total of $5,000 in rebates. Dealer will do the wrap around warranty for 2 grand. That's10 years, 100,000 miles complete coverage.

Can get the Kia Optima S out the door for $23,000..No wrap around warranty.

Just like I've never heard somebody say, "I wish I'd bought a smaller TV," I've never heard someone say, I wish I'd bought a cheaper car."
As for the Camry, drink about ten cups of coffee or swig a couple of 5-hour ENERGY shots before your test drive- you don't want to nod off and trash your future son in law's pride and joy...

ab348 · April 2020

More from Automotive News on Toyota, Honda and Nissan layoffs:

While Toyota Motor Corp. isn’t furloughing any of its direct employees in the U.S., Canada or Mexico, the carmaker said Wednesday that it will no longer pay the roughly 5,000 people that temp agencies employ to help staff its idled plants in the region. The company will continue to provide benefits for the time being.

Toyota’s North American unit announced the cost-cutting move a day after Japanese peers Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. said they would temporarily stop paying all staff at their idled U.S. plants and ask them to file for states’ unemployment benefits. Honda’s decision affects 16,900 employees, while Nissan said it will furlough roughly 10,000 workers.

stickguy · April 2020

The Altima does seem like a solid deal. If you like the car. On the Kia, I would not pay $2,000 to upgrade the powertrain warranty to whatever extra they cover. But that is just me!

does not seem like a big difference on the TLX assuming the presumed way to buy it out was accurate (I still can't make that work on my contract). But that is what a spreadsheet is for. And will of course depend on how your state taxes and does DMV.

I know NJ you pay taxes up front, and if you turn around and buy it, you are paying tax again. Same with DMV fees. Have to pay all that on the lease, then if you buy it, have to pay them all again. So on the old spreadsheet, any discount from playing an incentive shell game is going to take a hit on the fees side. Plus of course no inception fees. And on the Acura, if you are a cash buyer instead of financing, they offer (well, did on the RDX) an extra $ rebate if you take market rate (aka usurious) financing, instead of the .9% (a much better deal if you are keeping the loan more than a couple of years).

explorerx4 · April 2020

I guess I learned that XM is the low rent version of SAT radio.

I went to their website and it looks like you can activate your radio online, no $15 fee.
Not sure if this a available outside of USA.

houdini1 · April 2020

tjc78 said:

graphicguy said:
Thanks all. Do you have to call them to get those XM rates? I loath doing that. Or, can I do it on line and get those rates?
Unfortunately in my experience you have to call them.

Cancel the credit card you have on file with them and they will contact you !!

explorerx4 · April 2020

Anyone know COBOL?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/business/coronavirus-cobol-programmers-new-jersey-trnd/index.html

houdini1 · April 2020

explorerx4 said:
@ab348,
We have the social skills to get a good rate from SiriusXM.
Just renewed 3 subscriptions for a year for $77 each.
The representative said system wouldn't allow promotional rate on 2 of my radios, only a few days left until expiration, so she cancelled them and gave me the new subscriber rate.

Some of those XM people could care less what you do. The trick is to call in and say you are calling to cancel your program. They will switch you to someone to talk you out of it. That person is pretty reasonable. They must be paid by the # of people they convince to stay.

houdini1 · April 2020

Just heard from Richard Monroe today. (British Sterling) He used to post here a few years ago and wanted me to tell you that remember him "hello". He is doing well and he and his wife are still healthy.

jmonroe · April 2020

houdini1 said:

tjc78 said:

graphicguy said:
Thanks all. Do you have to call them to get those XM rates? I loath doing that. Or, can I do it on line and get those rates?
Unfortunately in my experience you have to call them.

tjc78 said:

graphicguy said:
Thanks all. Do you have to call them to get those XM rates? I loath doing that. Or, can I do it on line and get those rates?
Unfortunately in my experience you have to call them.

tjc78 said:

graphicguy said:
Thanks all. Do you have to call them to get those XM rates? I loath doing that. Or, can I do it on line and get those rates?
Unfortunately in my experience you have to call them.
Cancel the credit card you have on file with them and they will contact you !!

Better yet, never give them your CC number. The only place that automatically hits my CC is EZ Pass and that's because I didn't want to be a book keeper trying to figure out when to add money to that account.

jmonroe

jipster · April 2020

driver100 said:

jipster said:

May look at a Nissan Altima SL($30,000 MSRP.) my nephew has on his lot. It's a 2019 corporate car with 9,000 miles. $19,500. Waiting to test.drive a Camry.
Jip, a busy day, busy few days out testing...and evaluating. Normally, I don't get too excited about Nissans (have had a courtesy car when the C250 was at the garage) but $19500 for a 2019 with low mileage is worth thinking about. Not a lot of fun to drive, but, gets the job done and it is pretty large. Do you think you are getting a little bit better of a deal because it is from a relatives lot...or is he giving you a regular deal. If it is regular deal I'd be more wary...if discounted more, it is probably a good deal....but, you have to like it. For me, i would get mad at myself for buying it and end up spending more because I would want to get into something I would like better...probably the Acura.

If that doesn't confuse you nothing will.

The $19,500 is the discounted internet price. My nephew is suppose to get back to me today and see if his Big Boss Man can do better. Has a really nice interior.

https://www.louisvillebmw.com/used-Jefferson+County-2019-Nissan-Altima-25+SL-1N4BL4EV6KC235974

My wife is flopping on that Acura now.
The only car that has close to the interior quality is the Mazda 6....which wasn't as much fun to drive as my salesman kept the speed down. The sales manager emailed me about an hour ago, said I could take it home for a day.

stickguy · April 2020

the 6 is a fun drive on back roads if you want to push it. Even if you could not tell on the test drive.

Altima is nice looking. well equipped too. I have never driven one of this generation so can't say how that is. but definitely a good deal, if you like it.

roadburner · April 2020

The CVT in the Nissan would eliminate it from contention for me.
Double meh...

driver100 · April 2020

Jip, I think you will sleep better at night with the Altima. It is in mint condition, has lots of features, it is a big solid car, low mileage, looks nice inside and out.....seems to be a fair price though I doubt if their $25000 msrp is for real. I think they should knock off $1000 because you wouldn't be there except for your nephew...it is like a bonus sale for them.

tjc78 · April 2020

roadburner said:
The CVT in the Nissan would eliminate it from contention for me.
Double meh...

+1 I just can’t stand them.

driver100 · April 2020

I did a quote instead of change....I was going to say there are probably more fees that could get added onto the Acura, especially if you lease it and then buy it.
This I did as an addition: That was a smart way to do it actually, then I get credit for one more post.

28firefighter · April 2020

Hard pass on the Altima.

graphicguy · April 2020

explorerx4 said:
Anyone know COBOL?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/business/coronavirus-cobol-programmers-new-jersey-trnd/index.html

Been a REEEEEEEEEALLLLLLLLY LLLLONNNNg time since I did COBOL coding, going to have a lot of free time on my hand shortly. Maybe double dip and apply (and promptly get fired because of all I’ve forgotten).

XM....thanks again for the info. Not sure what was going on with my sales lady. Went on line, as recommended. Found the good deals you all recommended. Still sort of irked at XM for jacking me around on the phone.

As the GF said....”you’re weird weird regarding what you will and what you won’t spend money on”. I’ll own that. Little does she know.

jipster · April 2020

roadburner said:
The CVT in the Nissan would eliminate it from contention for me.
Double meh...

Can't say the Optima was fun to drive. Beem awhile sunce i drove a CVT.Go

driver100 said:
Jip, I think you will sleep better at night with the Altima. It is in mint condition, has lots of features, it is a big solid car, low mileage, looks nice inside and out.....seems to be a fair price though I doubt if their $25000 msrp is for real. I think they should knock off $1000 because you wouldn't be there except for your nephew...it is like a bonus sale for them.

Would it being a "corporate" car scare anybody off? Was owned for only 10 month's before it was sold.

roadburner · April 2020

jip, I hope you realize that if you go with the Nissan you will have to change your screen name to: “iluvmyaltima.”

roadburner · April 2020

jipster said:

Would it being a "corporate" car scare anybody off? Was owned for only 10 month's before it was sold.

It would not worry me in the slightest. I clocked in corporate cars when I worked at BMW; they were provided to District Managers and such and were serviced by the book.
I would think Nissan has a similar arrangement.

jmonroe · April 2020

jipster said:

roadburner said:
The CVT in the Nissan would eliminate it from contention for me.
Double meh...
Can't say the Optima was fun to drive. Beem awhile sunce i drove a CVT.Go
driver100 said:
Jip, I think you will sleep better at night with the Altima. It is in mint condition, has lots of features, it is a big solid car, low mileage, looks nice inside and out.....seems to be a fair price though I doubt if their $25000 msrp is for real. I think they should knock off $1000 because you wouldn't be there except for your nephew...it is like a bonus sale for them.
Would it being a "corporate" car scare anybody off? Was owned for only 10 month's before it was sold.

As one of our renown poster buddies would say...probably took that long for the guy to finally wake up.

jmonroe

jipster · April 2020

roadburner said:

jipster said:

suydam said:
I think your heart is with the Acura. Go for it.
You're right. I love the car. I can afford it. But, man, don't know if I want to spend that much money.

Stick, my future son in law just bought a Camry SE. He and my daughter are in for socially distanced Easter this weekend. So, I'm going to test drive then.

Got the $1,000 additional debate money for my 2007 Kia Optima. That's a total of $5,000 in rebates. Dealer will do the wrap around warranty for 2 grand. That's10 years, 100,000 miles complete coverage.

Can get the Kia Optima S out the door for $23,000..No wrap around warranty.
Just like I've never heard somebody say, "I wish I'd bought a smaller TV," I've never heard someone say, I wish I'd bought a cheaper car."
As for the Camry, drink about ten cups of coffee or swig a couple of 5-hour ENERGY shots before your test drive- you don't want to nod off and trash your future son in law's pride and joy...

LOL. I never really understood the unbridled lust for luxury or high performance cars....until I got in one. Or, maybe after so many years I forgot.The Acura I drove was just a 4 cylinder (good power, not great)... but the ride was so smooth and controlled. It WAS a fun car to drive.

oldfarmer50 · April 2020

driver100 said:
These are truisms by Stephen Wright - I like #5
1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.*
2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.
3 - Half the people you know are below average.
4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I’m fairly displeased with the national news coverage of this event. I was just watching a big three news report and they totally glossed over that the predicted deaths from this virus has dropped from several million to under 60,000 and that figure may go lower. They phrased that dramatic improvement as “death rate may be less than expected”. Hopefully all our sacrifices have had something to do with the improvement.

omarman · April 2020

COBOL?

explorerx4 said:
Anyone know COBOL?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/business/coronavirus-cobol-programmers-new-jersey-trnd/index.html

Hope so because there's still a lot of COBOL code running through banks and other financial systems. And they're still building mainframes despite being labeled obsolete after Time magazine named the PC as "Machine" of the Year.

My first lab practical was using an HP 3000 series III MPE "mini mainframe" to debug a COBOL program which calculated loan payments. I think COBOL was the first computer language developed to use English command lines. Match the rock solid ability of mainframe computers to deliver enormous processing power with the simplicity and massive data handling capacity of COBOL and there's your recipe for legacy systems. Thank you Grace.

oldfarmer50 · April 2020

abacomike said:
I finally went out today after 8 days in isolation. Drove over to doctor's office for blood test supplies and they were kind enough to give me 1/2 dozen face masks that they use in the office. Nice of them.

I then drove over to Costco for PUG - $2.15 a gallon.

I then went over to my bank to use their ATM to get some cash.

Finally, I went over to Publix 3 miles from my house - not the one 3 blocks away. The place was empty. They don't have much in the way of frozen vegetables but I got enough of what I eat.

So, I covered a lot of ground today. It was nice to get out - but way too hot and humid - 90 degrees - ugh!😫

I’m finally seeing RUG for under $2 but most of the major brands are hanging onto a higher price like it was their first born.

Walmart is the place to go near me. Some items are in short supply but I think they bring stuff like TP out a little at a time so you don’t see the mob action. They also enforce the quantity limits. Every time I go there now they have everything I want.

oldfarmer50 · April 2020

jipster said:
I test drove the Mazda 6 Sport today, as well as the Kia Optima LX AND S. Unfortunately, I had to follow the Mazda 6 salesman in his company car. The guy was going 35 mph on side roads, and when getting on the highway only did 55mph. I felt like a granny or papaw going to church on Sunday morning. The car drove and handled well, as far as I could tell. Road bumps and noise were more pronounced than I thought they would be. The interior was very nice and luxurious. It was a red car with black interior. Very nice.

The Kia Optima LX drove and handled well. Good power . Comfortable ride. Nice exterior styling. The interior didn't have the quality in materials as the Mazda 6 had. So, I drove the sportier S model. Dual exhaust. Interior seats had a split of "leatherette" and upholstery. Kia needs to work on that interior though. The S comes with a $4,000 rebate. Maybe another $1k as I own a 2007 Optima. Still, not as nice as the 6,..but interesting.

The Acura sales manager sent me numbers to buy the TLX. Surprisingly good discounts.

The base model that's red:

Market value: $34,395
Savings: $6,548
Price: $27,846
Doc fee: $699
Sales tax: $1,625
Other fees. $62
Credit $750

Total: $29,683

The silver TLX with tech package:

Market value ....$37, 725
Savings. $7,720
Price. $30,004

Total out the door: $32,765

May look at a Nissan Altima SL($30,000 MSRP.) my nephew has on his lot. It's a 2019 corporate car with 9,000 miles. $19,500. Waiting to test.drive a Camry.

If you get an Altima buy an extended warranty on the CVT.

imidazol97 · April 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
These are truisms by Stephen Wright - I like #5
1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.*
2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.
3 - Half the people you know are below average.
4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I’m fairly displeased with the national news coverage of this event. I was just watching a big three news report and they totally glossed over that the predicted deaths from this virus has dropped from several million to under 60,000 and that figure may go lower. They phrased that dramatic improvement as “death rate may be less than expected”. Hopefully all our sacrifices have had something to do with the improvement.

Surprised by the glossing over some news? Not me. I was saying from the beginning the heavy use of figures was a tool.

Another interesting factor that has come out is that the death rates from pneumonia have dropped instead of following its usually predictable numbers statistically. The reason? Deaths are being included in the Virus deaths. That inflates the Virus deaths.

I've very happy to see how the diagnosis testing positives in Ohio have dropped drastically and the lagging indicator of deaths from those who are suffering through a case of this Virus is dropping but about 2 weeks behind. Maybe we'll be able to go to work here. But the doctors are talking about requiring a positive Eliza antibody test before being permitted to go back to work? That will drag this out through the summer.

imidazol97 · April 2020

I bought Shell RUG for $1.19 Sunday during our cabin fever outing. PUG was $1.99 (9). Under $2.00.

I see $0.97 in Cleveland area for RUG including name brand stations.

jipster · April 2020

Oldfarmer, that pre-owned Altima is being sold thru BMW of Louisville. So, I guess It's would have to go thru a third party to get the CVT covered longer. I know an earlier generation of the Altima had really bad.problems with that CVT. You'd think Nissan would have ironed out the wrinkles by now.

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