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  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    http://www.geijn.com/jetta/index.html


    Havae a great week y'all...we are off to Vegas on Sunday...

  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    LOL

    Ross
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I found it on cars.com, married couple in LI, they couldn't use the back seat for 2 kids, so they sold it to me :) Same way I got my MX6, which I'm considering keeping now. I'm totally indecisive on this, keep the MX6, or sell it?

    -mike
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    I know you weren't serious, Mike. Cupholder obsession seems to be a recent American phenomenon - see Mike (paisan)'s post for an example. That minivan he's talking about is the Montana/Venture/ Shilouette (sp?) and it indeed has cupholders out the wazoo, inlcuding juice box shaped ones.

    Speaking of juice, the Liberty trim may be brushed metal but it still looked as cheap to me as the new Impreza's. Gratned there were a lot of people driving it, but the easy tendency for smudges and fingerprints to accumulate would drive the OCD among us batty.

    Ed

    Edit: paisan, your spare experience speaks better of Harlem than I can speak of the Philly area. Seems like once a month we get local news coverage of some car vandalism spree in the area.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Vegas! Yeah, baby! Just don't lose your shirt! :oO

    My Jetta ended up looking like a Civic! Amazing!

    paisan: easy - only sell it if you get the full asking price.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    heck I'd keep every car if it was up to me here are my pros and cons list for the MX6:

    Pros:
    Bullitproof reliability according to multiple sources
    Easier to find parts and mods
    cheaper to find parts and mods
    Know the history of the car (never abused etc)
    Light, good power to weight ratio.

    Cons:
    FWD
    Not a Subaru
    4-cylinder engine
    no A/C

    Another XT6:
    Pros:
    Already have 1
    Great handling, especially if I get an MT
    Rims from current XT6 can go on it
    Love the XT6s

    Cons:
    Hard to find parts
    heavier than MX6
    not-so bullitproof reliability
    dont' know the history.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, see if you can find the right XT6 first. The Mazda will be easy to sell, but it's hard to find the rare XT.

    -juice
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    The Liberty's aluminum trim is actually plastic, not metal. I was reading in the press kit all about how they managed to get a piece of plastic looking like that. Basically it has embedded nickel flakes in it. In the past, the engineers have only been able to get the nickel flakes to lie sideways, which produces a rather flat and dull aluminum appearance. However, recently they have been able to get it to stand up, with its edges pointing outwards. The difference is what you see in the Liberty...a brushed aluminum look.


    Regarding the spare, I wonder if there is enough room underneath the Liberty, behind the rear axle to fit in a full-sized spare? My ML comes with an underbody Mickey Mouse spare tire because of that reason. There is not enough space between the rear axle and the rear (last) crossmember to fit in a full-sized spare.


    To protect the underbody spare, and also for crashworthiness, there is a drop down underbody carrier that houses the tire. In the event of a serious collision, the carrier and tire breaks away to dissipate energy. An exterior spare tire carrier for the ML is available in every country but the US though (probably because of the iIHS' tests). MB partly got around the problem of cars rear ending the carrier and causing it to push into the tailgate by placing the spare tire further up the body, a few inches above the bumper. Unfortunately, like many things in life, this is a compromise, and you end up losing some rear visibility in the middle as a result.


    Drew
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  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Hilarious, Serge! Enjoy your trip.

    We are headed for a week in the Outer Banks, NC (this weekend). I'm loading up 2 adult bikes on roof racks (per yellowbikedon's recommendation; thanks, Don) and 2 child bikes on a borrowed trunk mount rack. This is my first trip with the Legacy GT wagon in cumbrous configuration and even unladen, the bicycle appendages generate a cacophonous maelstrom (open moon roofs aren't sanctioned for this trip). Hopefully I'll be cognizant of vertical clearance. I'll report on the lower gas mileage and genus of organisms collected on the windward side of forks and downtubes.

    Cheers,

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    It's actually not a hard cover, but just a faceplate for the LED 3rd brake light and the license plate.

    http://www.4x4abc.com/images/ML1999/M4swingout.jpeg

    http://www.4x4abc.com/images/ML1999/M4swingout.jpeg
  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    Thanks folks, We are planning a day in Zion Natl Park and a trip to Hoover Dam as soon as we land and get the rental (probably an Olds Alero...not a bad rental). Then we are going back to Vegas itself to RELAX...see some shows (Siegfried&Roy, Lance Burton...though I would have liked to see Bob Dylan, who is doing a show the night we are returning). I may check out the local Subie dealer...will try to get in a test drive in a WRX...still non-existent here in FL. I will post pics upon our return.
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    Reminds of my first ever new car... a 1976 Datsun B210. Bought while working at then U of NE in Lincoln. 2 years later after moving back to Milwaukee we were again on the move this time to LA. Shipped all out stuff ahead and piled the B210 full with bikes on roof. Ironically while passing through Lincoln on the way to LA the altenator went bad so we swung by our dealer who readily obliged to swap in a new one. We asked if we need to romove the bikes but they insisted it was no problem. A half hour later while sitting outside the service dept we heard our car start up so we looked inside to see the tech drive out the NOT fully opened rear service bay door and neatly skim the bikes and rack of the roof of our car.

    It didn't end there. They agreed to cover damage and since it was just cosmetic we were advised to go ahead to LA (after fixing the bikes and rack) and get the body work done after we settled in. 2 weeks later in LA we took the car to a nearby body shop and had it fixed. When we went to pick it up the shop had "lost" the keys. Naively we said okay and drove it home and parked it in our garage. Next morning the car was gone only later to be found stripped and burned. Welcome to LA.

    Bit
  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    To all of you who are also taking vacation, have a great time and be careful...
    Serge, Susan, Michael, and Dina Ferrari Superfast American Dog
  • yellowbikedonyellowbikedon Member Posts: 228
    Have a great vacation. I'll be thinking of you as I bicycle through your area this weekend. We begin at Terramar Park, ride the side roads along the horse farms, and around Coral Springs. We'll do somewhere over 30 miles before going to breakfast at Mama Levy's on Hillsboro. Not as exciting as your trip but a "trip" for me!

    Don
  • ron3805ron3805 Member Posts: 22
    If you want to see a show you won't forget check out CIRQUE DU SOLEIL-MYSTERE at Treasure Island. Guaranted satisfaction.Just show up early or you may become part of the show (they seem to pick on the right side of the theater)and if you are a "victim" relax and enjoy it.
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    It looked just as plasticky to me as the WRX!

    Ed
  • kullenbergkullenberg Member Posts: 283
    I saw this thread early on in this discussion. A 5 speed "tip-tronic" type tranny, along with a supercharger or turbo would make the VDC just about perfect, for my purposes. I live at 5000', and naturally aspirated engines lose about 1/3 of their power at this altitude. A turbo H-6, with a manually shifted 5 speed auto would be "king of the mountain". Years ago I had a Volvo TD wagon, that was bog slow down in the flat land, but at 6 or 7 thousand feet, it was great.

    Cheers Pat in NC
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Man, that rear tire carrier is BEEFY! It looks like a rear bull bar from paisan's supplier! :-)

    I remember a CHMSL like that on some Suzuku Sidekicks.

    So, Mike is already at the beach? Sweet. I'll be going in a couple of weeks. Can't wait.

    Ed: it's funny how two people can look at the same thing and come away with such different impressions.

    Then again, maybe I liked the metal-look trim because the black plastic stuff looked cheap and had unfinished edges in some places.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    from dropping our daughter off at college. One of her dorm-mates has a new blue WRX sedan.

    Wished I had my camera-
    On the way home we stopped to get gas at some truck stop on I-95. There in the lot getting gas was some old beat up Ford Fairlane (mid-'70's) with a (also old and beat up) jet ski strapped on to the top of the trunk!

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Welcome back, Bob.

    I wonder if that Fairlane will get pulled over. Was it one of the older folding jet skis? Aren't those heavy?

    We rented a Wave Runner at the beach and had a blast. My fore arms were sore from holding on tight!

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    That jet ski was huge. It probably weighed 400-500 pounds, if not more.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    "Idiot 101" with flying colors...

    I had my trailer gone over by my mechanic before going on this trip to move move our daughter into college. The trip was over 900 miles round trip, and the last thing I wanted to have problems with, was the trailer.

    When we got down to her college, I was planning to disconnect the trailer, and park it at the motel, so I wouldn't have to take it every place.

    Well, when we go there, I discovered I couldn't uncouple the trailer. It was like it was stuck or pinched in a manner so that the coupling wouldn' release. I looked at his this from all angles and couldn't for the life of me figure out what was wrong. So, I ended up taking this trailer all over the place with me—shopping, out for meals, sight seeing—you name it, the trailer tagged along.

    On the way home yesterday, on I-95, ˆ got to thinking that there was something attached to the coupling that I hadn't remembered seeing before. So at a gas stop, I checked the coupling again only to find that my mechanic had inserted a safety pin with a cotter pin holding it in place, where you place the lock. All I had to do was remove the that safety pin, and it would have worked just fine.

    Man do I feel stupid!

    Bob
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    That's nuthin. Back when I was building a street rod I had 2 hot rod heavyweights with me on a trip to one of their shops. One a chassis builder, funny car driver and FIA LSR class record holder and the other one of the best metal men in the biz and a Roy Brizio employee. We had stopped on the way at a motorcycle boneyard and after we piled back into my car I did the idiot move of trying to restart my car when it was already running. No missing that gnashing sound of the starter gear trying to engage the spinning flywheel. There was no recovery just a funny silence. That's stupid.

    bit
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Well gang, just completed the above two-day school at Road Atlanta and it was definitely an enjoyable learning experience. Unfortunately, Audi has recently replaced Subaru as the primary sponsor. However, I must say that I was impressed with the brand new FWD A4s that we were driving. They had excellent handling characteristics and were well equipped (moonroof, leather, etc.) On the interior, I was impressed with the overall quality and the materials used. But I sure wouldn't want to be the sucker who ends up with one after the school's thru with them cause we abused the heck out of them (smoking tires and brakes galore!).

    As an interesting aside, an instructor told me that when the school was using Subarus, they had to disable the AWD to make it easier to induce understeer and oversteer on the skidpad.

    For those unfamiliar with the course curriculum, we had a couple of hours of classroom instruction on vehicle dynamics but spent most of the weekend driving on the following courses:

    Skidpad (understeer & oversteer correction)
    Braking (ABS, threshold and trail braking)
    Finesse (keep the ball in the bowl) (timed event)
    Lane Change (both one and two emergency lane changes)
    Precision (maneuvering forward and reverse in a tight course) (timed event)
    Slalom (maneuver thru the cones as fast as possible)
    Autocross (both dry and wet) (timed event)

    I found the two-lane change course to be the most challenging. The driver accelerates to 50 mph and then throws the steering wheel hard over, gets the car almost sideways and then throws the wheel in the opposite direction to resume the original direction of travel. And of course the distance you had to accomplish this seems like only a matter of feet. I can assure you that traffic cones were flying in abundance but it's certainly a confidence builder to perform the maneuver successfully.

    I'm sure it comes as no surprise that the autocross courses were the most fun. Especially since it was some one else's car that was being abused!

    The courses were all setup in the infield of the Road Atlanta racecourse. Meanwhile, there was a 3-day racing school going on concurrently with our course and it was entertaining (and noisy) to watch the racecars running laps around the track. For anyone who's interested, the 3-day racing school is approx 3K but they provide the racecar, suit and helmet and when you complete it you're SCCA certified.

    In closing, I'll leave you with my favorite instructor quote from the weekend "a squealing tire is a happy tire".

    -Frank P.

    Oops, almost forgot..... Anita Lienert of He Said/She Said fame (syndicated auto review column) was there Saturday morning doing an article for Audi Magazine.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, Bob, but I bet you had plenty of room for extra burgers at the drive through! :-)

    Don't sweat it. We all goof up on occasion. It's all good when you have a sense of humor about it.

    A buddy of mine rebuilt his big block Camaro and had one aftermarket piston on backwards. High compression pistons have indentations for the valves. Talk about a PING! He was lucky the damage was minor, and he still laughs about it today.

    Frank: you dawg! That's sweet!

    Hilarious - Panoz is then proof that Subaru's AWD is basically TOO effective at eliminating unsafe handling characteristics. Darn! ;-)

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Bob, now I know how they got the CRV to tow that trailer... An Isuzu diesel engine in it :) Here's a link


    http://www.4car.co.uk/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=240&storyid=1076


    -mike

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Cool. They really need them for Europe. Buyers almost don't want anything else.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    If they offered diesel here, I'd be all over that. (300K+ w/o repairs is common), diesel is about the same price as regular gas, but you get like 10-15mpg more.

    -mike
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Just got back from a trip upstate to Utica, NY and I have to agree with something said here a while back: It seems the faster I went on this trip (avg spd 80) the better my gas mileage. With 3 and sometimes 4 people loaded up I did my best gas mileage to date: 25.4 mpg. Yet, the whole time the car handled beautifully! Now to test it on the trip to Williamsburg later this week.

    Mark
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Frank,

    Cool write up. You are one lucky dawg.

    Did the instructors comment on the differences between Audi and Subaru handling?

    Ken
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    I'm back from a week in SC and a few days in Cape May. Drove to both places with a very loaded down OBS. Kanga Roof pouch on top.

    Myrtle Beach was hot and humid (as was most of the US). My parents are considering a 7-passenger mini-van or SUV. I talked them into test driving the Suzuki XL7. My mom liked it but my dad hated it. At 230+ pounds, it was too small for him. That little V6 felt more powerful than its 170hp. Too bad the GM-aru isn't out yet. Saw only about 5 Subes in over a week.

    Cape May is a beautiful place to visit. A quaint little town with lots of victorian homes. Great seafood too. Went to the Crab House in Wildwood for some Maryland crabs.

    I actually rescued a woman at the beach that was caught in a rip current. The lifeguards thought she was swimming because she wasn't waving or panicing. She told me to call the lifeguards. I waved them over and then swam out too her and pulled her back towards the shore. The lifeguard got there when I had her in knee deep water. She thanked me about a dozen times but the lifeguard didn't say a word (teenager).

    I driven on some scary roads (Belt Parkway in Brooklyn, Manhattan, etc.) but I think Maryland takes the cake. I've never seen so many lane swervers in one state. No one signals either. Including an Outback in the pouring rain at night driving about 65mph.

    Ed, call Flemington at 908-752-5107. They will be way cheaper than Trenton. I spoke to the shop foreman there about synthetics. He said the boxers don't develop sludge as bad as some engines. He said a few of their customers do bring their own synthetic oil though. He's seen an engine taken apart that used Mobil1 and it was spotless.

    Dennis
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    :-) Your Subie must have been riding a little higher after that.

    Greg
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It is now, paisan, but usually gas is cheaper, at least regular gas. Diesel fluctuates less, by far.

    But remember, US diesel is low quality cheap stuff, so to make it meet world standards it would have to cost more.

    Dennis: agree on the MD drivers, though I'd say DC area in general. It amazed me in Texas to see how curteous people were - they'd move right over for you to pass. Fat chance on our beltway!

    Nice save, BTW.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I always remember diesel being cheaper than gasoline up until maybe 3 years ago. Since then it's been consistent with the low octane 87 while yielding a higher mpg.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Actually, even that may vary by region. Where there are lots of truckers, i.e. along I-95, diesel can be real cheap.

    In the DC suburbs, where many diesel customers are Mercedes or VW owners, the stuff is priced like liquid gold.

    When gas prices peaked a month ago, diesel cost about the same as regular gas, maybe a nickel cheaper. Now, it's about the same price as mid-grade because gas prices dropped more. In the spring it was priced close to what premium costs, and if gas prices continue to drop that's where it'll end up for a while.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Congrats and a tip of the hat for your rescue.

    When was the last time you were in SC in August and it wasn't sticky? ;-) Too many teenage memories of farming and football practices to forget that.

    I will call Flemington in the near future. I'm at 26,183 this AM.

    Other places to drive: I've only driven Belt Parkway 3 times, most recently in June. Ugh. I lived in VA (Arlington) 1990-94 and tried to avoid driving at all costs. I had a radiator hose burst on me on the Inner Loop near University once; in the time it took me to get from the lane I was driving in over to the shoulder, the engine block cracked (VW 1.8L 8-valve inline 4, for those of you keeping score). Not fun.

    Ed
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Ken- I think the instructors were somewhat reticent about making comparisons between the two. They did however; make repeated references to the superior advantages of AWD (nothing new there).

    Also, the instructors were all professional racecar drivers and while we weren't allowed to drive on the actual course (2.5 mile semi-figure eight), you got to ride around it with an instructor who gave a running narrative of what the pros look for when they drive it.

    -Frank P.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    You didn't get to drive on the roadcourse at Road Atlanta?

    -Colin
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Ed- That's right, you're from UCLA (Upper Conway-Lower Aynor :-) ). Growing up in MB, I hated going to the country to visit my grandparents. Now that my parents live there, I look forward to the relaxation.

    I noticed that diesel sold for agricultural use isn't the same as for cars. Does that mean the government thinks tractors don't pollute? I guess there aren't enough tractors to cause a problem.

    Frank P.- Was it you that that had the really long a while back (manual vs. auto AWD, shifting the auto, brakes, etc.) I saw it while on vacation and couldn't respond.

    I also notice the difference in driving feel between the auto and manual. I thought maybe it was more of the tranny than the AWD system but your post made sense. I also think the rear drums on my OBS are pretty darn good. It takes a big adjustment when I drive my wife's OB (larger car plus different brake feel).
    As for shifting the manual, I know you can drop it to 3 when necessary. What about *always* shifting an auto like a manual? A friend told me he ruined his Honda tranny that way.

    I figured Panoz would soon add a WRX.:-( I've got to get myself to a school one of these days.

    Dennis
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Dennis: UCLA, yep, though closer to Bayboro in fact. MB was the big city for me. Now when I go back I try to avoid it at all costs. All that Boradway at the Beach/outlet mall traffic is more than I want to deal with and in its own right is as nerve wracking as the Beltway. Not moving as fast but you never know who will pull into/off of the roadway.

    Wander over to the Forester board to see my latest in the never-ending AT v. MT discussion. Wish I could take my Forester (with some stiffer sidewalls) on a track; bet it would surprise some people.

    Ed
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    The more I think about it, the more I believe the sport-shifter will remain a JDM only goody. Unless Patti can convince her FHI buddies otherwise. :-)
    I was really wishing for an auto on vacation. I've probably put about 1600 miles on my car in the past two weeks. Wife's leased OB has high mileage although she has since decided to purchase it.

    IMO, you'll always get a different answer on torque splits. My response from SoA in 98 said the VC can transfer between 10/90-90/10 as necessary.

    Dennis
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    can stay in Japan—unless they offer a 5-speed version. A 4-speed Sport-Shift, for me, has little or no appeal.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Subaru's edge used to be AWD. Now the thing is everyone's got it. Even lawn mowers now have All Shaft Drive (I'm not kidding):

    image

    So how can they stand out? Boxer engines. Turbos. Superior ride and handling. AWD alone is no longer enough.

    But they do have to keep a lid on pricing. At least in the Forester's class, the Santa Fe and Escape have put on the pressure.

    No competitor in the Forester's class has a 5 speed auto. Who will be the first?

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Anyone catch the TNN/Car & Driver review of the WRX this weekend? Nothing we haven't heard before was reported there but it was cool to watch the WRX in action.

    Ken
  • pattim3pattim3 Member Posts: 533
    Hey - If I had known you were in Cape May.....horrible undercurrent's all weekend. We were fishing off the coast of Cape May on Thursday and hanging in Wildwood on Friday. I had to keep getting the kids over in front of the lifeguards on Saturday as the current kept pulling them. Great job on the save~~!!

    Glad to see you back!

    Patti
  • aussierooaussieroo Member Posts: 78
    ... been busy lately and have been trying to catch up on the posts. No way. Subie owners are fanatics AND yappie.
    Have just rolled thru 33000km on the silver bullet, still no probs (touch wood)
    Is Graham still around?
    Cheers
    Gus
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I've decided to put my XT6 and MX6 up for sale. Asking $2500 for each. E-mail me off-line if you have questions about them.... :)

    -mike
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    so wadya buy for auto-x, you big galoot?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Jimmy's '94 legacy, but need to raise cash before I can do that.

    :)

    -mike
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