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  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Boy there sure were a lot more owner's discussions added recently! I remember when it was just the kittycats, then us... then the dakotas... now there's a lot!

    Not that I'm that surprised, it's a great idea.

    -Colin
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    for WRX fans—the March issue of Automobile.

    I just got it in the mail today. Towards the rear, there's an article comparing the the WRX to a Porsche 911 AWD. It's a fascinating article. Bottom line: They are very similar in what they deliver, in terms of the driving experience, and driving satisfaction, and—despite the staggering cost difference— the engineering similarities are stunning.

    Bob
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    if you (or anyone else) can make it this evening, the Friday's Freeways chat is (again) at 5-6pm Pacific!

    http://www.edmunds.com/chat/freewaychat.html


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  • natescapenatescape Member Posts: 176
    Geeez. What's the point of putting a month on it at all. It's still JANUARY!!! Holy mackeral. That's like the person whose alarm clock is an hour fast.
  • williams23williams23 Member Posts: 4
    Craig - thanks. Will give it a try.

    Chris
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    I found the following review of Used Legacy in an off site from the Daily Telegraph (London).


    The idea of checking to see whether an animal has abused the car is particularly appealing. It helps if you understand the Brits a bit.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=004233365053000&rtmo=gjZfGfbu&atmo=rrrrrrrq&P4_from_link=/et/01/1/9/emrjon09.html&pg=/Offsite/http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/


    Cheers


    Graham

  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    The plastic cladding on the side of my 2000 OB has probably saved me a thousand dollars.

    Yesterday I got a bit too excited in the parking lot, and whacked into a snow bank. But this snow bank was about 4" and had hardened into ice. It was solid. I couldn't even break a piece off with my boots.

    So when I hit with the rear of the car, making a loud whack, and bounced off, I was dreading looking at the damage; convinced that a hit like that must have dented the body.

    Here's the deal.. there was ZERO damage - not even a scratch! The plastic cladding took the hit, flexed and just pushed back. I am really impressed!

    If this was any other car, you'd have a really expensive repair to do. So you can chalk one up over your standard autos here. Come to think of it, this is one non-superficial plus for the OB over the GT.

    -- ash
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Couldn't access the link...

    Bob
  • nailitnailit Member Posts: 14
    The whole html "link" isn't highlighted. I had the same problem. I went in and manually copied the whole thing (including the part tha isn't highlighted) "selected it" and pasted it into my browser. Worked fine that time.
    Br, Dale
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Hi ken glad to hear they are trying to get you sorted out and not blowing you off, I would really be interested in the final outcome.
    If it is of any interest to you we had a 1982 Chrysler K car real piece of junk but thats another story,anyway I had the same problem and after 3 rebuilds they finally changed the whole transmission this finally cured the problem.
    Cheers Pat.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day
    I am still having trouble getting the link to work so here goes on the text

    What's Good
    The most sensible large country estate car you can buy. Spacious, strong and reasonably economical (25-28 mpg). Facelifted in April 1994 and October 1996. Clever 'hillholder' brake system. Low transmission range very useful for crawling along in a traffic jam. Avoid the 2.0DL or 2.0DLSE (Feb 92_-April 94) which has only part-time four-wheel drive and lower rear roof line. New American-built Legacy from December 1998 has revised floorpan with less suspension intrusion into load area. Did very well in USA Insurance Industry offset crash tests. Came top in J.D. Power 'R' reg Customer Satisfaction Survey. Fresh price cuts October 2000 bring latest 2.0GL estate down to £15,995. Recommended. 3.0 litre Outback H6-3.0 automatic expensive at £16,995, but a brilliant tow car.

    What's Bad
    Spartan interior. Frameless side windows. Propensity to score rear discs. Cheap, old shape 'Classic' models dropped from line-up in autumn 1999 and new models were £2,000 dearer. Used prices rose strongly after J.D. Power result.

    What to Watch Out For
    Have been known to sit around on dockside compounds for years before finding buyers. Always check the rear discs for scoring. If it has a tow-hook, check whether it's been pulling a single or a double horsebox. Use a torch to peer underneath just in case it's been up a rough track and suffered serious damage from a rock. Mk Is from 1989-94 are getting old now. Second or third owner may have skimped maintenance and used it for hauling animals. Have a good look under load area carpeting for dents. If the car has seat covers, take them off - a dog may have eaten the seats underneath.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I was able to access the site by copying and pasting the complete address, and did find (eventually) the post you had alluded to.

    You're right, this is clearly "British" point of view. Woof. Woof.

    Bob
  • texsubarutexsubaru Member Posts: 242
    Just saw a movie in which an Outback gets a lot of screentime: "You Can Count on Me." Sadly -- from my guy point of view -- it's not a film in which a trusty Subie helps the hero escape bad guys amid fiery explosions ... it's more of a quasi-art-house chick flick (extremely good performances, though low-key, rather slow-paced with a bit too much cello music for my taste). But the Outback not only shows up in a lot of scenes, it also actually gets mentioned by specific model name during a phone conversation. I suspect the filmmakers deliberately used a Subaru wagon in the theory that it'd help show what a normally sensible person the main character is.
  • texsubarutexsubaru Member Posts: 242
    So, the GTB is essentially a Legacy RSK B4 but in wagon format? Looks and sounds pretty darn nice, but I still suspect that a Legacy sports sedan with the H6 could fare a little better with the average U.S. consumer than a twin-turbo 4-cylinder (then again, if gas prices climb much higher and stay elevated, I guess 4-cylinder turbos xould win over some Americans who might otherwise go for a 6-cylinder).
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    I was at Flemington Subaru (NJ) for service yesterday and saw a Trooper drive up with NY tags. paisan, I wondered? When he walked in I asked him if his name was Mike. He looked at me like I was a stalker and said, "Yeah.". I said, Paisan? He said yeah again and I said, "Hey I'm Dennis - bluesubie." We talked for a while and he's a real nice guy.
    Mike, sorry I split so quick when my car was done. That was my second trip back and I was there since 8:00 a.m. When I left the first time, I noticed my recirc. lever wasn't working on my a/c. I went back and they had to attach the cable. I didn't complain since they only charged 45 min. labor for an hour and a half of work (maybe that should be in the Dealer forum).

    See you around,
    Dennis
    p.s. - The power folding mirrors on the Trooper were cool. Wish we could get that here in N. America on the Subes.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Glad to meet you and thanks for the tip on using Flemington Subaru/Isuzu! They are hands down the best dealer in NJ/NY so far that I've encountered. They didn't get the 2nd upper bushing so they are sending it to me overnight as soon as they get it, that is pretty good service!

    Dennis are you gonna go to the Philly Auto-show? or the NY one?

    -mike
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    I liked the part about "looked at me like I was a stalker ". Mike, does that mean that you bought your Trooper from the same dealership/salesguy that you went to for the Legacy test drive?


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  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I got my Trooper from the same dealer where I test drove the Legacy, where I got my '97 Rodeo, my dad got his '97 legacy, my uncle got his '97 Outback, my buddy got his '00 2.5RS, my other buddy got his '00 Trooper....

    SI Subaru/Isuzu, They have great sales staff, but their service department is about the same as everywhere, it sux. I've tried Open Road Honda/Isuzu and they seem ok so far. For parts, I called every dealer in Northern NJ and NYC, not one of them would even sell me parts for an '88 XT6, they all said "Oh those, no we won't even get involved in parts for those cars"

    Dennis suggested that I try Flemington, and they so far have been good. If I have future problems with my Trooper, i'll be taking the 45min trip to Flemington to have the work done.

    -mike
  • maries1maries1 Member Posts: 4
    I live in NCentral PA. Have decided to buy at Fitzgerald in MD unless I can get a reasonable price match from the local dealer. Three questions: First - Will I have to pay both MD and PA taxes on the vehicle if I buy in MD? Have heard this may be the case. If so, next question is this: if I have it delivered to my local dealer will that delete the MD taxes? I'd hate the savings to be eaten up in paying state taxes twice. Third question: Any tips on how to approach local dealer with matching the price withing a few hundred $$. I am very GREEN at this: My first new car purchase. Thanks for any help.
    Marie
  • FrankMcFrankMc Member Posts: 228
    I have done this twice (I live 5 miles from the Maryland border). Basically you will not pay Maryland tax, if you borrow the money (from them) they will charge you the PA tax. If you pay "cash" there is no Md tax due, but when you try and register it in PA you will pay the tax. It is very common here for people to buy cars across the state lines (both ways), and they have it down to a dull routine. (You will have to get the car inspected in PA though.

    Frank
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Caroline: the new Impreza will have a stiffer structure, plus it gets the 2.5l, as you mentioned. I'm sure if you browse their web site they'll have numbers claiming how much.

    Lots of owners clubs, indeed, but we're still the best! Who else has regular meets, dealer and manufacturer participation, and their very own weekly chat?

    Ash: I too love the cladding. The unpainted stuff is even better in that you don't get scratches at all. I even added fender flares and door edge guards. So far I only have one small ding (in 2.5 years) and I'm sure I could push it out without painting.

    tex: too much cello? Uh, don't say that around Lucien...

    ;-)

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Not sure which auto show yet. I noticed some people were going to Philly on Feb. 3rd and some going to NY on Apr. 13th. We're busy both of those times and still trying to decide. The WRX will be out by the time of the NY show, so I'm thinking maybe Philly. Never been there though.

    My wife called Flemington Sube this morning for an estimate on windshield replacement (the famous soft glass :( ). Turns out they use a glass company in our town and said it might be a good idea to just use them direct to save inconvenience. They're so honest!

    Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That soft glass comment makes me chuckle. We've already replaced my wife's windshield, and even the 2nd (a PPG) has a crack. Meanwhile, mine is fine...

    -juice
  • peterson10peterson10 Member Posts: 116
    Its pretty simply really. Just like you said, just tell your local dealer the price you've been quoted from THEIR COMPETITOR, and ask them if they care to meet or beat the price. I've done this several times and rarely have they failed to meet the mark. The first "new car" I bought ('83 Renault Encore) was a real education. Not only did I NOT shop around, I let them soak me with an added "dealers premium" because it was such a popular car. Ever since then I've been getting even!

    Best of luck,
    David
  • dannykadannyka Member Posts: 115
    Hi all,

    If you have a Mervyn's store in your area, you might remember this commercial from awhile back where a woman was waiting at the door of Mervyn's with her face on the glass repeating "open, open, open..." over and over -- at 3am!

    Well, that's how I feel! I just ordered a 2001 Forester S+ (Silverthorn) that will be delivered around the middle of March. That's a lot of seconds to count off, I hope I can handle it...

    At least I have the crew to help me through the wait :-)

    -Dan
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Juice, I got some door dings taken out of my Honda wagon in preparation for selling in the spring.The outfit I used here in Ottawa is called Auto Dentists, can;t even see where they were, no paint damage.
    Facinating to watch them work they have special tools that get between the glass and the outside skin then they just massage the dents out the cost was negligable, $75 for up to 5 dents I am sure you have similar services in your area, after seeing the results and the cost I would not even try myself.
    Cheers Pat.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, it's a very minor indentation on the rear passenger side door. I could probably pop it out with suction, actually. I just have to get to it.

    Not bad compared to the battle scars on our 626. My secret is parking in end spots, leaving as much space as possible to the car next to me.

    -juice
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Juice, did you ever see the commercial where the guy parks his car car at a 45% angle way out at the edge of the parking lot and then sets pilons all around it thats me.

    My wife says if you look up demented in the dictionary you will see my picture.

    Cheers Pat.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's funny. I may have been like that for the first month or two, as well.

    My wife always asks why I park so far from the entrance, so I've learned to just drove her and baby off, then park alone and catch up to them.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    My rule of thumb: When parking away from other vehicles isn't an option, park next to the most expensive car possible. Stay away from minivans or any vehicle that screams kids.

    So far I've managed to keep my dings to just a couple over three years. I think I'll try one of those paintless places sometime.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Folks, I've collected the coolest Forester photos I've run into, and put them all in one place.


    You must check this out:


    http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1400062&Auth=false


    The first photo alone is worth the visit.


    -juice

  • yellowbikedonyellowbikedon Member Posts: 228
    Yesterday's (1/28) Chicago Tribune Transportation section features a page one article by Jim Mateja, its auto writer, entitled "Subaru laughs last with Outback." Major comments discussing the VDC H6..."The 6-cylinder is new for 2001 and offered on the VDC as well as LL Bean Edition, a shameless promotion of the marketer of active life style clothing equipment." Obviously, Matjea is NOT a New Englander (my comment)!!!

    His summary is as follows: "Pluses: All-wheel drive, all season vehicle with variable torque distribution, vehicle dynamics control, all-wheel traction control and four wheel ABS to keep it firmly planted on the ground. A peppy 6-cylinder added for the first time. Lots of cargo room. Now that GM has acquired an equity stake in Fuji, Subaru's parent, look for AWD system to find its way into GM vehicles, too, and soon." "Minuses: Call it whatever-and whatever you call it the name is tooooo long-it's an AWD station wagon. Twin sun roofs, but front pops up only while rear roof slides back. Rather hefty price."

    Really a good review when someone such as Mateja, who's had a negative bias against wagons can only mention 1: too long a name, 2: front sunroof doesn't slide back and 3: rather hefty price.

    Thought the article would be of interest!

    Don
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    What is everyone's take on Valet parking?

    Mine has recently been... Ok, where do I park it?, don't worry, you'll get the fee and tip, but not my keys...

    Anyone else do or feel this way?

    -mike
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Yeah, I cringe everytime I need to hand over the keys. Unfortunately, you're sometimes without choice on how to park your vehicle.

    When I don't like the looks of the place, I sometimes will tip first in hopes that they'll take better care of it.

    Ken
  • dsackmandsackman Member Posts: 145
    In many SF parking garages the only way you can get your car parked is to hand over the keys. They pack them in like sardines in a can.

    When I first arrived here from South Africa, I would not hand my keys to any one, fear of the car disappearing. Had a few good discussions(arguments) and was thrown out of a few garages before I caught on what the situation is.
    Valet parking is a fact of life in SF. I had no damage yet (touch wood).

    Daniel
  • dsackmandsackman Member Posts: 145
    Yep, I got the Outback Sedan Limited over the weekend. He/she looks pretty good next to the Forester in the garage.

    I am quite impressed with the smoothness and quietness of the car. It makes the Forester seem quite agricultural in comparison.

    Again it was Carlsen in Redwood City who gave me excellent service during the sale. I can recommend this dealership to anyone. Speak with Greg or Doug.

    I am carrying two cans of puncture repair with the space saver. I hope I will never need to use it.

    Daniel
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Focus ZX3 Group? There goes the neighborhood! :)) shall we challenge them to an auto-x?

    Valet Parking-

    two words. Ferris Buhler.

    Potentially STUPID programming question:

    I know I live under a programming rock, but what does it mean when I get an email containing these character sets:

    &n! ! bsp;
    &! ! ! nbsp;

    just curious if anyone knows. Putting them through the Google spin cycle suggests it is some sort of highlighting code gone awry.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    after we get some WRXs :)

    Actually I'd love it. Name the place in the NY/NJ/PA/MD/DE/CT area and I'm there!

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Valet parking is of course non-existent in any form here in doodah (Wichita, Kansas).

    I have experienced it in Houston, and my take was:

    1. I'm never giving the keys to those guys.
    2. They close off most of the lot for valet-only just to give a few more people an easy job.
    3. I'm never giving the keys to those guys. It's not that far of a walk to park somewhere else.

    OT: The amazing thing to me about Houston was the fact that every single restaurant was full, like all day long. It didn't matter if you went for early lunch, late lunch, early dinner, late dinner. Packed every time, even the 600 seat behemoths.

    -Colin
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Now, I can teach you a thing or two about civilization. Melbourne must be the restaurant capital of the world. You can get any cuisine you like and with great fresh produce, fine wine and good beer, you don't know what you are missing. Of course, with so many restaurants, booking is sort of optional. Also, the CBD has frequent trams all around so you don't even have to worry about valet parking crumpling your Subaru.

    Come down sometime and check out the really nice world. (For Survivor fans, yes, virtually all of our snakes are poisonous and our crocodiles really do bite! But hey, it looks really beautiful)

    Cheers

    Graham
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    I loved the pictures. Faces with names - ahhhh - curiosity satisfied. I hope to meet with all of you at the Philly show. Any idea on what time you'll be there?
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    I hope to be there on Saturday 2/3 or Sunday 2/4. I'll wear something conspicuous like my SWRT fleece jacket. I'm taking the Forester in on Friday for 18K service and to have the radiator and cooling system checked out.

    Ed
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well the great thing about NYC is you can get any type of food at any time of the day or night! A friend moved to the Bay Area and has been going nutz for 2 years about how bad the food selection is out there. They looked at him crosseyed in a deli once @ 8am when he asked for a roast beef sandwich and actually refused to give it to him even though the deli case was open, and ready to go.

    -mike
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Yeah, I was just going to say, some of us do live in areas where the non-franchised restaurant-to-tornado ratio is a bit better.;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Let's move the Philly Show discussion over to events. It's THIS weekend already, and snuck up on me so fast that I didn't plan for it. I'll have to aim for the New York show.

    Too bad, would've been great to meet Patti...

    Daniel: 2 Soobs? Congrats. Which are you driving?

    Speaking of reality shows, Temptation Island is set in Belize. Beautiful country. Scuba divers must go. Dad lived there 7 years, and I visited twice (only!).

    Valet Parking? Well, interesting, I used to do that. Back in college, for beer money! ;-)

    My take on it:

    * they actually hired me
    * don't do it

    But seriously, Ken nailed it. Tip $1 on the way in, another $1 on the way out (or more, depending on how nice the place is). You'll be treated like a VIP and it does not cost any more than normal, since $2 is an average tip.

    If it's a parking garage you use every day, that gets expensive. Try bringing in a cake or something like that for the parking attendants.

    And BTW, Subaru owners in general are very generous. Sorry Drew, but M-B owners tend to be cheapskates (all their money must be paying for the car, I guess?).

    It was a fun job. I thought of it as a free two-minute test drive of a bunch of nice cars. I parked a DeTomaso Pantera once, Larry King's Lincoln Town Car several times (cheapskate big time!), a football player's 911 (drive carefully!), and Paul Berry's Volvo (he's a newscaster in DC).

    -juice
  • natescapenatescape Member Posts: 176
    Where are some of the sweet photos from my site (www.natescape.com/subaru)? ;-) I'm proud of my black S+ and tried to surround it with backgrounds that were as sharp as it is. *heh*
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    Lucien, that means someone sent you an email encoded in HTML. Yell at them ;-)

    Patti, I plan on being at the Philly show. More on this in the Events forum!

    Cheers,
    -wdb
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You're there now. :o)

    I also added some much higher quality photos from my Outer Banks trip in the summer.

    Photopoint is better and easier than homepage.com, so any new stuff will be posted there.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    you had to include that Forester "Woody?" Argh!

    That's one model I hope Subaru never lets loose on the public. It's like Subaru paying homage to the the Chrysler K-car Town & Country—a vehicle best forgotten.

    Bob
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