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abacomike · February 2021

fintail said:
What's the first one, a CCP-sponsored Bentayga copycar?

A proper grille

bwia said:
Grille of the Year Awards ? According to Tom Voelk, in a piece for the NY Times, "Carmakers Put Their Biggest Faces Forward. They look as if they could strain spaghetti: Grilles are making a design statement."
Don't quite understand why automakers think they are making a design statement but some of these grilles are garish and offensive while others have a ~~manly~~ masculine look to them, sort of like the charm of an SUV for urbanites pretending to be rugged outdoor types. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/business/new-cars-huge-grilles.html. Here are few samples:

Easy to fall in love with that classic MB grille work and front-end design. My favorite MB classic is the 1968 280 S sedan.

jmonroe1 · February 2021

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:
Maybe like how this pays homage to a classic Rolls-Royce

Goofy faux Tudors and 70s Mansard stuff are routinely mocked in the architecture world, I think, along with 21st century travesties.

oldfarmer50 said:

Wow, that has to be the snobbiest article ever written. Many of those fancy European styles paid homage’ to various old world architectures that existed before America.

I never got the idea of sticking multiple roof peaks on houses to emulate old designs but like that car, somebody, somewhere, will think it looks neat. If it sells they will build it upside down.
That house has peaks on top of peaks and peaks where you don't need peaks;

Why have peaks at all;

I’d rather have too many peaks than a Frank Loyd Wright house which while beautiful, tended to be engineering disasters. That house in your picture ‘Falling Water’ needed about $11 million in repairs to stop it falling into the creek.
The house could have been built better, but Frank wouldn't listen to the engineers. He was a stubborn nasty guy, but he sure knew how to design houses and buildings.
With leaking roofs.

Nobody ever accused him of the adage of “form follows function ” for roof designs. If he was a car designer back in the ‘40s he’d have been ahead of his time and been the first to put a Lexus grill on an Oldsmobile.

jmonroe
He loved cars and lent them easily. One of his employees crashed his car so when they rebuilt it he added the fancy roof, a new interior, and special red paint.

WOW, again no “form follows function” at least not when it comes to rear visibility. If there was ever a car that needed a rear-view camera that’s the one.

From what I’ve heard you say about liking the boxy look and large windows, I guess that thing is off your list.

jmonroe

tjc78 · February 2021

I’ll have to watch that all the way through. I’d love to own one of those someday.

oldfarmer50 · February 2021

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:
I... In the country we had a quarter mile gravel driveway...had to get plowed by our son...sometimes it took awhile to get done. Also people tend to drop off old tires or sofas by the side of the road.
As we got older I prefer being near a hospital and ambulances will arrive sooner. We didn't have wi-fi at the time but these days internet service outside our town is non existent.
Odd that people were dropping off tires and chesterfields. Did they think the folks there needed the car tires and the furniture?

They drop off tires because there is a charge of $4 for disposing of tires, and a charge at the dump for old furniture....goes by weight I think.
There was a guy who would stop and park at the end of the drive and drink a carton of butter milk and throw it out his window when he was done.
Nice quiet, back to nature country living......

That’s what shotguns were made for. We don’t get nearly the amount of thrown garbage down here.

roadburner · February 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:
Maybe like how this pays homage to a classic Rolls-Royce

Goofy faux Tudors and 70s Mansard stuff are routinely mocked in the architecture world, I think, along with 21st century travesties.

oldfarmer50 said:

Wow, that has to be the snobbiest article ever written. Many of those fancy European styles paid homage’ to various old world architectures that existed before America.

Yikes! That looks like one of those Revel concept car models of what the Stutz Bearcat would have looked like. Funny, since that model Monte Carlo was pretty much over the top to begin with.

I never got the idea of sticking multiple roof peaks on houses to emulate old designs but like that car, somebody, somewhere, will think it looks neat. If it sells they will build it upside down.
They weren’t Revell kits; they were produced by Renwal.
Darned if you ain’t right. Funny how the memory plays tricks. I had that model as a kid and couldn’t wait until it came out for real.

Maybe I should buy that tarted up Monte Carlo.

I still build models during the winter. Mostly cars but I also throw in some aircraft, armor, and a few science fiction kits.

cdnpinhead · February 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

I’d rather have too many peaks than a Frank Loyd Wright house which while beautiful, tended to be engineering disasters. That house in your picture ‘Falling Water’ needed about $11 million in repairs to stop it falling into the creek.

I was going to post exactly the same response, but you beat me to it.

omarman · February 2021

So Frank's concept was "never look back."

Because the original was better?

ab348 · February 2021

I never liked the half-moon quarter window in the Wright Continental. Reminds me of octagonal/porthole windows in modern day houses which I don't like either. I'm a contrary old cuss that way...

driver100 · February 2021

abacomike said:

fintail said:
What's the first one, a CCP-sponsored Bentayga copycar?

A proper grille

bwia said:
Grille of the Year Awards ? According to Tom Voelk, in a piece for the NY Times, "Carmakers Put Their Biggest Faces Forward. They look as if they could strain spaghetti: Grilles are making a design statement."
Don't quite understand why automakers think they are making a design statement but some of these grilles are garish and offensive while others have a ~~manly~~ masculine look to them, sort of like the charm of an SUV for urbanites pretending to be rugged outdoor types. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/business/new-cars-huge-grilles.html. Here are few samples:

Easy to fall in love with that classic MB grille work and front-end design. My favorite MB classic is the 1968 280 S sedan.

And I like the over/under headlights!

driver100 · February 2021

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:
Maybe like how this pays homage to a classic Rolls-Royce

Goofy faux Tudors and 70s Mansard stuff are routinely mocked in the architecture world, I think, along with 21st century travesties.

oldfarmer50 said:

Wow, that has to be the snobbiest article ever written. Many of those fancy European styles paid homage’ to various old world architectures that existed before America.

I never got the idea of sticking multiple roof peaks on houses to emulate old designs but like that car, somebody, somewhere, will think it looks neat. If it sells they will build it upside down.
That house has peaks on top of peaks and peaks where you don't need peaks;

Why have peaks at all;

I’d rather have too many peaks than a Frank Loyd Wright house which while beautiful, tended to be engineering disasters. That house in your picture ‘Falling Water’ needed about $11 million in repairs to stop it falling into the creek.
The house could have been built better, but Frank wouldn't listen to the engineers. He was a stubborn nasty guy, but he sure knew how to design houses and buildings.
With leaking roofs.

Nobody ever accused him of the adage of “form follows function ” for roof designs. If he was a car designer back in the ‘40s he’d have been ahead of his time and been the first to put a Lexus grill on an Oldsmobile.

jmonroe
He loved cars and lent them easily. One of his employees crashed his car so when they rebuilt it he added the fancy roof, a new interior, and special red paint.

WOW, again no “form follows function” at least not when it comes to rear visibility. If there was ever a car that needed a rear-view camera that’s the one.

From what I’ve heard you say about liking the boxy look and large windows, I guess that thing is off your list.

jmonroe

I don't really like his car design.......it is the opposite of his minimalist architecture designs.....greatly overdone and having small windows and even no windows makes no sense from a design standpoint. Kind of amazing he could design beautiful homes and buildings.....but his car is kind of ugly!

driver100 · February 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:
I... In the country we had a quarter mile gravel driveway...had to get plowed by our son...sometimes it took awhile to get done. Also people tend to drop off old tires or sofas by the side of the road.
As we got older I prefer being near a hospital and ambulances will arrive sooner. We didn't have wi-fi at the time but these days internet service outside our town is non existent.
Odd that people were dropping off tires and chesterfields. Did they think the folks there needed the car tires and the furniture?

They drop off tires because there is a charge of $4 for disposing of tires, and a charge at the dump for old furniture....goes by weight I think.
There was a guy who would stop and park at the end of the drive and drink a carton of butter milk and throw it out his window when he was done.
Nice quiet, back to nature country living......
That’s what shotguns were made for. We don’t get nearly the amount of thrown garbage down here.

My idea was for the government to put up hidden moving cameras, and anyone who dumps their garbage on the road gets a $5000 fine.

driver100 · February 2021

omarman said:
So Frank's concept was "never look back."

Because the original was better?

Great contrasting pictures omarman.....I like the original much better than the FLW model. I like the large windows and the squared off look of the original much more. FLW loved cars though and usually drove pretty fancy ones....he should stick to designing buildings though.

driver100 · February 2021

ab348 said:
I never liked the half-moon quarter window in the Wright Continental. Reminds me of octagonal/porthole windows in modern day houses which I don't like either. I'm a contrary old cuss that way...

If it makes you feel any better....I agree with you completely.

28firefighter · February 2021

So temporary return to coffee makers.

For my birthday recently my family got me a Technivorm Moccamaster (as @roadburner recommended). Set it up this afternoon and made my first pot. Holy moly where has this been my whole life.

fintail · February 2021

Knowing Toyota, the 2010 and 2021 have the same switchgear.

Those old LS are probably a used bargain, the design aged well. S-class from the same era are worlds more easier to live with than older ones too, and probably a similarly good deal for a maintained car.

stickguy said:

made me think of this video I watched recently. Actually, other than some updated tech stuff, not really that much difference.

fintail · February 2021

The late 60s models (W108/109) are what replaced my car in 1965. They are similar looking - 250S/SE 280S/SE/SEL 300SE/SEL look like this:

Timeless.

abacomike said:

Easy to fall in love with that classic MB grille work and front-end design. My favorite MB classic is the 1968 280 S sedan.

fintail · February 2021

FLW also liked MBs:

driver100 said:

Great contrasting pictures omarman.....I like the original much better than the FLW model. I like the large windows and the squared off look of the original much more. FLW loved cars though and usually drove pretty fancy ones....he should stick to designing buildings though.

carnaught · February 2021

Technivorm Moccamaster Is available through Fuka Kitchen. I’m not making this up

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abacomike · February 2021

carnaught said:
Technivorm Moccamaster Is available through Fuka Kitchen. I’m not making this up .

YES YOU ARE!!!🤪😜🤓

stickguy · February 2021

fintail said:
The late 60s models (W108/109) are what replaced my car in 1965. They are similar looking - 250S/SE 280S/SE/SEL 300SE/SEL look like this:

Timeless.

abacomike said:

Easy to fall in love with that classic MB grille work and front-end design. My favorite MB classic is the 1968 280 S sedan.

Car Wizard just did a video going over a 1970 280SEL W108 4 door. With about 340,000 miles on it. Still a nice looking car.

jmonroe1 · February 2021

ab348 said:
I never liked the half-moon quarter window in the Wright Continental. Reminds me of octagonal/porthole windows in modern day houses which I don't like either. I'm a contrary old cuss that way...

Yeah, we’ve noticed. And we can tell you other ways as well.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · February 2021

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:
I... In the country we had a quarter mile gravel driveway...had to get plowed by our son...sometimes it took awhile to get done. Also people tend to drop off old tires or sofas by the side of the road.
As we got older I prefer being near a hospital and ambulances will arrive sooner. We didn't have wi-fi at the time but these days internet service outside our town is non existent.
Odd that people were dropping off tires and chesterfields. Did they think the folks there needed the car tires and the furniture?

They drop off tires because there is a charge of $4 for disposing of tires, and a charge at the dump for old furniture....goes by weight I think.
There was a guy who would stop and park at the end of the drive and drink a carton of butter milk and throw it out his window when he was done.
Nice quiet, back to nature country living......
That’s what shotguns were made for. We don’t get nearly the amount of thrown garbage down here.
My idea was for the government to put up hidden moving cameras, and anyone who dumps their garbage on the road gets a $5000 fine.

It’s better to get rid of low life’s like that once and for all. But even if you miss they’d probably never try it again.

jmonroe

Michaell · February 2021

About as far from appliances as you can get. My son and his wife are expecting their first child in September!

And the circle of life continues...

stickguy · February 2021

congratulations, grandpa to be! Hope that doesn't make you feel old (though you are younger than me...)

My kids seem to be in no hurry to grace us with grandkids. But still time.

Michaell · February 2021

stickguy said:
congratulations, grandpa to be! Hope that doesn't make you feel old (though you are younger than me...)

My kids seem to be in no hurry to grace us with grandkids. But still time.

Yeah, I think I’m a year or two younger.

Makes me think about my dad, and his dad before him.

fintail · February 2021

I saw that one, one of those labor of love cars (as are almost all old MB sedans). Wizard seemed to think highly of it, too.

stickguy said:

Car Wizard just did a video going over a 1970 280SEL W108 4 door. With about 340,000 miles on it. Still a nice looking car.

jmonroe1 · February 2021

fintail said:
FLW also liked MBs:

driver100 said:

Great contrasting pictures omarman.....I like the original much better than the FLW model. I like the large windows and the squared off look of the original much more. FLW loved cars though and usually drove pretty fancy ones....he should stick to designing buildings though.

Flat roofs, a car with no rear window and now this. Man, nobody could say that guy didn’t have his faults.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · February 2021

@Michaell, big congrats you’re in for a real treat. Was looking for something today and came across a photo of Mrs. j , both sons and daughters in law along with all 5 grandkids taken in 2011 while we were on vacation in Myrtle Beach. There was a very funny memorable event from that vacation. Made me laugh just thinking about it. Yep, you’ll like it.

Good luck to the family.

jmonroe

omarman · February 2021

They say that sometimes people see what they want to see in images. Maybe depends on the angle but Grandbaby almost seems to be reaching for steering wheel and pedals.

Congrats!

dad23 · February 2021

Congrats @Michaell! Are they in town or is there a lot of traveling in your future?

Michaell · February 2021

dad23 said:
Congrats @Michaell! Are they in town or is there a lot of traveling in your future?

Son and DIL are in California. So, some traveling will be in my future.

Michaell · February 2021

omarman said:
They say that sometimes people see what they want to see in images. Maybe depends on the angle but Grandbaby almost seems to be reaching for steering wheel and pedals. Congrats!

I took another look at it, and darn if you aren’t right.

I know everyone is rooting for a boy.

tjc78 · March 2021

Congrats @Michaell !!

driver100 · March 2021

Michaell said:

dad23 said:
Congrats @Michaell! Are they in town or is there a lot of traveling in your future?
Son and DIL are in California. So, some traveling will be in my future.

Congrats Michaell, and California is a nice place to visit them....it could be worse

driver100 · March 2021

@fintail"FLW also liked MBs:

A gull wing.....that would be nice, looks like a pain getting in and out of it though. He liked cars....owned 80 of them in his lifetime.

snakeweasel · March 2021

Michaell said:
About as far from appliances as you can get. My son and his wife are expecting their first child in September!

And the circle of life continues...

Congrats, your Grandpa Union card will be coming in the mail.

roadburner · March 2021

Michaell said:
About as far from appliances as you can get. My son and his wife are expecting their first child in September!

And the circle of life continues...

Congratulations!

imidazol97 · March 2021

Congratulations, Michaell.

graphicguy · March 2021

tjc78 said:

graphicguy said:

jmonroe1 said:

graphicguy said:

kyfdx said:
@tjc78 Interesting note: If you take a statin for cholesterol, you are supposed to avoid grapefruit juice. 😥

That looks great.
I avoid grapefruit juice because it tastes terrible.
Sounds like you ruined your bourbon with it once.

jmonroe
Bourbon.....over ice...no mixers. End of story!
Depends on my mood. I certainly enjoy that, but like to switch it up. Sometimes just making that bourbon into an Old Fashioned is all that it needed.

I can do a good “OLD FASHIONED”!

graphicguy · March 2021

For those of you who are fans of JEEPS and DIESELS....

https://youtu.be/TyyR3BWJWX8

abacomike · March 2021

Michaell said:
About as far from appliances as you can get. My son and his wife are expecting their first child in September!

And the circle of life continues...

How exciting! You are in for a treat, Michael. When my first grandson was born in the Phoenix area, I was on a plane. Holding him with his deep dimples on each cheek and his blond hair made me feel like I was in heaven. May your grandchild come into this world healthy and all fingers and toes in their right places - 10 of each! 🤪😜🤓

graphicguy · March 2021

Saturday, it was quite nice in the GG ‘cul-de-sac.....sunny....60º-ish. As such, lots of neighbors (including me) cleaning out our yards and to get a bit of fresh air after what has been the craziest winter I’ve ever seen.

Started chatting with one of the neighbors, who knew I had been doing transports, but didn’t know I had a few set backs because of my eye surgeries. Long story short, she wanted to know what I’d charge to transport her 71 year old Father from her house (4 doors down from me) to his appointment to get a COVID shot. She and her husband work for P&G and have an all hands meeting that requires mandatory attendance (which is always ominous).

I told her I’d be happy to and would never think of charging for doing so. Appointment was at the Hospital 10 minutes from us this a.m.

Gentleman was a joy to spend some time with. He gave up driving because of his own sight issues and moved in with his Daughter (my neighbor) after his wife passed away 10 months ago). Smart, articulate, and witty. Plus, we had a lot to chat about regardling our shared ocular woes. Enjoyed our conversation and told him I’d love to spend more time chatting with him once the weather becomes more conducive to being outdoors.

Once we arrived at the medical facility, I expected he would go in and I’d wait outside given COVID restrictions. There was a separate entrance for those there for the vaccine, and as I pulled into the parking lot, I was given instructions where to park and the entrance to use. Expecting to wait, I asked how long it was taking for the vaccine to be administered.

Person at the entranced said for both of us, probably about 20-30 minutes including wait time required after getting the vaccine (15 minutes). I mentioned it would only be for one person as I don’t qualify yet.

I was informed that if I was providing a ride to someone who qualified for the vaccine, I could get it also if I wanted.

Well...sure thing. Pleasant surprise of the day....especially given all I’ve heard is it’s next to impossible to get the COVID vaccine in SW OH.

Easy-Peezy. Just got back. Arm is a little sore, but no worse from the wear. And, I made a new friend with my neighbor’s Father. We’re both scheduled to go back for the 2nd shot in a few weeks at the same time.

Michaell · March 2021

graphicguy said:
For those of you who are fans of JEEPS and DIESELS....

https://youtu.be/TyyR3BWJWX8

I like her reviews. Just the right amount of levity.

Doesn’t hurt that she’s easy on the eyes...

ab348 · March 2021

Congrats, @Michaell !!

ab348 · March 2021

graphicguy said:

tjc78 said:

graphicguy said:

jmonroe1 said:

graphicguy said:

kyfdx said:
@tjc78 Interesting note: If you take a statin for cholesterol, you are supposed to avoid grapefruit juice. 😥

That looks great.
I avoid grapefruit juice because it tastes terrible.
Sounds like you ruined your bourbon with it once.

jmonroe
Bourbon.....over ice...no mixers. End of story!
Depends on my mood. I certainly enjoy that, but like to switch it up. Sometimes just making that bourbon into an Old Fashioned is all that it needed.
I can do a good “OLD FASHIONED”!

What can happen to an Old Fashioned?

https://youtu.be/hJ91FymytWY

jmonroe1 · March 2021

Michaell said:

omarman said:
They say that sometimes people see what they want to see in images. Maybe depends on the angle but Grandbaby almost seems to be reaching for steering wheel and pedals. Congrats!
I took another look at it, and darn if you aren’t right.

I know everyone is rooting for a boy.

Probably but what we really need is a female version of @roadburner in here for some competition.

jmonroe

graphicguy · March 2021

Michaell said:

graphicguy said:
For those of you who are fans of JEEPS and DIESELS....

https://youtu.be/TyyR3BWJWX8
I like her reviews. Just the right amount of levity.

Doesn’t hurt that she’s easy on the eyes...

AMEN!!!!!

graphicguy · March 2021

@Michaell ....YAY! Huge congrats to the family!

coldinohio · March 2021

congrats on both

consider acetaminophen round the clock for ~24-36 hours for second booster, with lots of hydration

graphicguy said:
Saturday, it was quite nice in the GG ‘cul-de-sac.....sunny....60º-ish. As such, lots of neighbors (including me) cleaning out our yards and to get a bit of fresh air after what has been the craziest winter I’ve ever seen.

Started chatting with one of the neighbors, who knew I had been doing transports, but didn’t know I had a few set backs because of my eye surgeries. Long story short, she wanted to know what I’d charge to transport her 71 year old Father from her house (4 doors down from me) to his appointment to get a COVID shot. She and her husband work for P&G and have an all hands meeting that requires mandatory attendance (which is always ominous).

I told her I’d be happy to and would never think of charging for doing so. Appointment was at the Hospital 10 minutes from us this a.m.

Gentleman was a joy to spend some time with. He gave up driving because of his own sight issues and moved in with his Daughter (my neighbor) after his wife passed away 10 months ago). Smart, articulate, and witty. Plus, we had a lot to chat about regardling our shared ocular woes. Enjoyed our conversation and told him I’d love to spend more time chatting with him once the weather becomes more conducive to being outdoors.

Once we arrived at the medical facility, I expected he would go in and I’d wait outside given COVID restrictions. There was a separate entrance for those there for the vaccine, and as I pulled into the parking lot, I was given instructions where to park and the entrance to use. Expecting to wait, I asked how long it was taking for the vaccine to be administered.

Person at the entranced said for both of us, probably about 20-30 minutes including wait time required after getting the vaccine (15 minutes). I mentioned it would only be for one person as I don’t qualify yet.

I was informed that if I was providing a ride to someone who qualified for the vaccine, I could get it also if I wanted.

Well...sure thing. Pleasant surprise of the day....especially given all I’ve heard is it’s next to impossible to get the COVID vaccine in SW OH.

Easy-Peezy. Just got back. Arm is a little sore, but no worse from the wear. And, I made a new friend with my neighbor’s Father. We’re both scheduled to go back for the 2nd shot in a few weeks at the same time.

explorerx4 · March 2021

@tifighter,
Not sure if you have seen any of this guy's videos. A lot of them are Tesla related.
He is from Norway, but oriental and speaks English with some German thrown in on occasion.
This one is about roof top cargo boxes. He is not as animated as usual, but a very interesting test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0P6i1YsgII

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