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oldfarmer50 · June 2022

snakeweasel said:

cdnpinhead said:

graphicguy said:
Acura/Honda and Lexus/Toyota seem to do paint really, really well, too.
Most on here don't keep a car long enough the care, but Honda paint, especially red, didn't use to hold up well in the desert sun/heat -- maybe it's improved by now. It turns pink in a non-uniform way. Those who have to park outside at work have to deal with such things, and it's worse if you have to park outside as well (because the wife's "stuff" has filled too much of the garage).

Just thinking about that but the average age of our motor vehicles is just under 9 years with an average age of ownership of just over 7 years. Yeah I know I am the exception to what you said above but it made me think.

My average car age is 12.5 years.

graphicguy · June 2022

sda said:
Tell us more about how the CVT drove and performed. Much has been written about how good the 6sp is.

CVTs have come a long way....at least given the ones I drove several years ago. They "mimic" gear ratio automatics really well.

Felt good in the Integra. Actually, the CVT Integra feels slower than my Accord. My Accord isn't a slug, but it's not my previous Stinger and the difference is noticeable. If there was any complaint with the CVT, it would be that.

Everything else was the same vs the manual trans. It's comfortable. Nice materials and build. Great stereo. Like my previous TLX and my current Accord, paint is "deep" looking with no noticeable orange peal (unless you get within an inch or so from it).

If you're looking for a nice, good handling, well equipped car, that handles, steers and brakes well for under $40K, you'd be hard pressed to find better (with the exception of my Accord).

It's a looker, too. I especially liked the rear.

graphicguy · June 2022

ronsteve said:
The Integra is an interesting new player, and if I thought I could bring home a manual, you never know. But the wife doesn't drive stick at all, and I am not sure if the cargo logistics are what I need.

I'm vaguely wishing they would have put me in an Integra while I have the RDX in for the timing belt, but it's probably bad to increase temptation as I am forking out the $$ for major maintenance. The loaner they did get me in is a MDX Type-S, way more car than I would ever look at!

The MDX is big and drives like it (on the bigger-feeling end of the 3-rows that I have driven). The console gives it a bit of a jumbo-jet feel, and I am really not used to the width of the car. I guess I should consider myself lucky that it has so many driver aids. It can be pretty sedate under light throttle, and you really feel the weight of the vehicle. But it doesn't take long under even moderate throttle before you look at the dash and see you're going substantially faster than you thought (or intended). The shifts are quick and smooth, and the turbo V6 doesn't make a lot of noise going about its business, but it will get up and MOVE.

Funny you mentioned the MDX. Was talking to my Acura sales guy after the Integra test drives. He said they were selling MDXs as soon as they came off the truck. Then, last month, MDX sales hit the brakes when gas prices shot up. He has 6 on his lot. He said he hadn't had 6 new MDXs and the same on the lot in a year until now.

Michaell · June 2022

graphicguy said:

ronsteve said:
The Integra is an interesting new player, and if I thought I could bring home a manual, you never know. But the wife doesn't drive stick at all, and I am not sure if the cargo logistics are what I need.

I'm vaguely wishing they would have put me in an Integra while I have the RDX in for the timing belt, but it's probably bad to increase temptation as I am forking out the $$ for major maintenance. The loaner they did get me in is a MDX Type-S, way more car than I would ever look at!

The MDX is big and drives like it (on the bigger-feeling end of the 3-rows that I have driven). The console gives it a bit of a jumbo-jet feel, and I am really not used to the width of the car. I guess I should consider myself lucky that it has so many driver aids. It can be pretty sedate under light throttle, and you really feel the weight of the vehicle. But it doesn't take long under even moderate throttle before you look at the dash and see you're going substantially faster than you thought (or intended). The shifts are quick and smooth, and the turbo V6 doesn't make a lot of noise going about its business, but it will get up and MOVE.
Funny you mentioned the MDX. Was talking to my Acura sales guy after the Integra test drives. He said they were selling MDXs as soon as they came off the truck. Then, last month, MDX sales hit the brakes when gas prices shot up. He has 6 on his lot. He said he hadn't had 6 new MDXs and the same on the lot in a year until now.

Makes me wonder if there will be a surplus of Pilots, Passports and Ridgelines, as they all share the same powertrain.

Anything that gets poor mileage may stop selling, if gas prices don't come down soon.

sda · June 2022

I drive by a large Honda dealer daily on my way to work. Pilots, Passports, Ridgelines, though not that many, are on the lot. No Accords, Civics, HR-Vs, CR-Vs to be seen. I do think buyers are looking for something more economical in today's uncertain environment of high fuel pricing.

oldfarmer50 · June 2022

sda said:
I drive by a large Honda dealer daily on my way to work. Pilots, Passports, Ridgelines, though not that many, are on the lot. No Accords, Civics, HR-Vs, CR-Vs to be seen. I do think buyers are looking for something more economical in today's uncertain environment of high fuel pricing.

Sheep get stampeded in both directions. They dump big SUVs when prices are high and flock to them when prices are low, getting hosed in both transactions.

ronsteve · June 2022

oldfarmer50 said:

sda said:
I drive by a large Honda dealer daily on my way to work. Pilots, Passports, Ridgelines, though not that many, are on the lot. No Accords, Civics, HR-Vs, CR-Vs to be seen. I do think buyers are looking for something more economical in today's uncertain environment of high fuel pricing.
Sheep get stampeded in both directions. They dump big SUVs when prices are high and flock to them when prices are low, getting hosed in both transactions.

I remember shopping a RAV4 in 2007, when the speculators first pushed oil prices into the stratosphere, and the dealer really wanted to get me in a 4Runner. My next stop was a dealer that had both Subaru and Volvo, where the manual Legacy wagon (not Outback!) I wanted to check out had been sold, but I found this black '06 V70 that had been a demo/service loaner/whatever.

ronsteve · June 2022

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

cdnpinhead said:

graphicguy said:
Acura/Honda and Lexus/Toyota seem to do paint really, really well, too.
Most on here don't keep a car long enough the care, but Honda paint, especially red, didn't use to hold up well in the desert sun/heat -- maybe it's improved by now. It turns pink in a non-uniform way. Those who have to park outside at work have to deal with such things, and it's worse if you have to park outside as well (because the wife's "stuff" has filled too much of the garage).

Just thinking about that but the average age of our motor vehicles is just under 9 years with an average age of ownership of just over 7 years. Yeah I know I am the exception to what you said above but it made me think.
My average car age is 12.5 years.

My average car age is currently 8 years. Average age of ownership is 6.5 years. I might not be a CCB.

oldfarmer50 · June 2022

ronsteve said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

cdnpinhead said:

graphicguy said:
Acura/Honda and Lexus/Toyota seem to do paint really, really well, too.
Most on here don't keep a car long enough the care, but Honda paint, especially red, didn't use to hold up well in the desert sun/heat -- maybe it's improved by now. It turns pink in a non-uniform way. Those who have to park outside at work have to deal with such things, and it's worse if you have to park outside as well (because the wife's "stuff" has filled too much of the garage).

Just thinking about that but the average age of our motor vehicles is just under 9 years with an average age of ownership of just over 7 years. Yeah I know I am the exception to what you said above but it made me think.
My average car age is 12.5 years.
My average car age is currently 8 years. Average age of ownership is 6.5 years. I might not be a CCB.

Maybe we can form our own board CCH (Chronic Car Hoarders). Nah, who’d want to read posts starting with “I didn’t buy a car again today”.

explorerx4 · June 2022

My fleet average age is just under 13: 1, 6 and 31.

snakeweasel · June 2022

oldfarmer50 said:

sda said:
I drive by a large Honda dealer daily on my way to work. Pilots, Passports, Ridgelines, though not that many, are on the lot. No Accords, Civics, HR-Vs, CR-Vs to be seen. I do think buyers are looking for something more economical in today's uncertain environment of high fuel pricing.
Sheep get stampeded in both directions. They dump big SUVs when prices are high and flock to them when prices are low, getting hosed in both transactions.

I have a friend that wants the big 4WD SUVs as he lives in deep rural IL and wants them for the snow. He always buys when gas gets high like this because people want to dump them and since there aren't much of a market for gas thirsty vehicles he always gets them cheap.

driver100 · June 2022

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:
Has anyone heard about a huge increase in carjacking. This is what is happening in Toronto;
There have been over 100 carjackings in Toronto this year, which has led police to set up a new investigative unit to focus on the surge in violent thefts. There were 103 carjackings in the city in all of 2021.
Apparently, because of the chip shortage the value of stolen cars has gone way up. A lot of them take place right in the owner's driveway!
You must live an insulated life if you think that is a recent development. I think there may be other factors other than chip shortages involved.

It's a recent development that the number has more than doubled this year...we didn't know that before now. Other factors are at play, but they can make a lot more these days because of the shortage of available cars.

RE Your sons Fusion: Too bad you didn't buy 4 or 5 of them at the time.

bwia · June 2022

President Biden sets standards for building out a national EV charging network to include 500 charging stations by 2030
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-sets-standards-for-building-out-national-ev-charging-network-164505229.html

jmonroe1 · June 2022

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sda said:
I drive by a large Honda dealer daily on my way to work. Pilots, Passports, Ridgelines, though not that many, are on the lot. No Accords, Civics, HR-Vs, CR-Vs to be seen. I do think buyers are looking for something more economical in today's uncertain environment of high fuel pricing.
Sheep get stampeded in both directions. They dump big SUVs when prices are high and flock to them when prices are low, getting hosed in both transactions.
I have a friend that wants the big 4WD SUVs as he lives in deep rural IL and wants them for the snow. He always buys when gas gets high like this because people want to dump them and since there aren't much of a market for gas thirsty vehicles he always gets them cheap.

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I was just getting ready to say if dealers get panicky about having too many gas hogs on their lot, then this is probably a good time to try stealing one. At the right price you just might be able to offset $5 a gallon for gas for a while. I doubt gas prices are going to remain this high forever. It’s not like waiting for CD’s to give you a 10% return again anytime soon.

Your friend seems to be almost as smart as me.

jmonroe

bwia · June 2022

On slightly related note Tesla announces 3-for-1 stock split.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-stock-split-june-2022-212130185.html
Tesla (TSLA) announced in its annual proxy statement released late Friday it will seek shareholder approval to split its stock 3-for-1.

Shareholders will vote on the proposal at Tesla's annual meeting on August 4th.

Tesla shares rose as much as 3% after hours on Friday following the news; shares fell 3.1% during Friday's regular trading session. Tesla shares have dropped 34% so far this year.

Tesla says the 3-for-1 stock split would be executed via a special dividend given to investors.

jmonroe1 · June 2022

bwia said:
President Biden sets standards for building out a national EV charging network to include 500 charging stations by 2030
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-sets-standards-for-building-out-national-ev-charging-network-164505229.html

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500 charging stations in 8 years ain’t gonna raise the water level of the ocean anymore than spitting into it.

I know we have to start somewhere but c’mon man we gotta try a lot harder than that.

jmonroe

roadburner · June 2022

@snakeweasel said:

@bwia said:
President Biden sets standards for building out a national EV charging network to include 500 charging stations by 2030
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-sets-standards-for-building-out-national-ev-charging-network-164505229.html

Until there are at least 8 charging stations for every 10 gas pumps nation wide EVs won't be widely accepted outside of major urban areas.

roadburner · June 2022

Average car age: 15.6 years
Average length of ownership: 12.4 years
The Club Sport(27/27) and Wrangler(23/20) skew things a bit.
My next vehicle will be no older than 3 years- and possibly new...

fintail · June 2022

Average car age: 30.5
Average length of ownership: 15 years
Fintail skews that a bit of course

oldfarmer50 · June 2022

“ RE Your sons Fusion: Too bad you didn't buy 4 or 5 of them at the time.”

If I’d known that after 2 years the value would still be almost double what we paid I would have bought the whole car lot.

stickguy · June 2022

average car age, 17 months!

at our annual shore vacation we shar the house with my BIL and both my kids. Since we are all in different places there will be 4 cars there. I am bringing the Maverick, which at 6 months old, is going to be the 3rd oldest of the 4 most likely. My Daughter just got her car this week, and my BIL is hoping to have a new X5 by then.

my son's 2021 Audi (just turned a year old) will be the "antique" in the driveway.

tjc78 · June 2022

@stickguy said:
average car age, 17 months!

at our annual shore vacation we shar the house with my BIL and both my kids. Since we are all in different places there will be 4 cars there. I am bringing the Maverick, which at 6 months old, is going to be the 3rd oldest of the 4 most likely. My Daughter just got her car this week, and my BIL is hoping to have a new X5 by then.

my son's 2021 Audi (just turned a year old) will be the "antique" in the driveway.

You go to Stone Harbor, right?

tjc78 · June 2022

Pretty sunset tonight here in Wildwood NJ

stickguy · June 2022

tjc78 said:

@stickguy said:

average car age, 17 months!

at our annual shore vacation we shar the house with my BIL and both my kids. Since we are all in different places there will be 4 cars there. I am bringing the Maverick, which at 6 months old, is going to be the 3rd oldest of the 4 most likely. My Daughter just got her car this week, and my BIL is hoping to have a new X5 by then.

my son's 2021 Audi (just turned a year old) will be the "antique" in the driveway.

You go to Stone Harbor, right?

yup. they grudgingly let us in.

that is going to be a much longer drive starting next year after we move. But we will only be 15 minutes to the track in Saratoga if we feel like going!

driver100 · June 2022

bwia said:
President Biden sets standards for building out a national EV charging network to include 500 charging stations by 2030
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-sets-standards-for-building-out-national-ev-charging-network-164505229.html

Wow! 800!
There are more than 145,000 fueling stations across the United States. 127,588 of these stations are convenience stores selling fuel.

tjc78 · June 2022

@stickguy said:
yup. they grudgingly let us in.

that is going to be a much longer drive starting next year after we move. But we will only be 15 minutes to the track in Saratoga if we feel like going!

Years ago I built a store in Saratoga. Regret not going to the track. My Grandfather was a huge horse racing fan and raved about Saratoga.

jmonroe1 · June 2022

tjc78 said:
Pretty sunset tonight here in Wildwood NJ

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If the old sailor was right you’re going to have a nice day tomorrow.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · June 2022

tjc78 said:

@stickguy said:

yup. they grudgingly let us in.

that is going to be a much longer drive starting next year after we move. But we will only be 15 minutes to the track in Saratoga if we feel like going!

Years ago I built a store in Saratoga. Regret not going to the track. My Grandfather was a huge horse racing fan and raved about Saratoga.

Us locals don’t think it’s as big a deal as the out of towers. Some people spend the entire month there but if I go to the track once it’s enough for me. The people who make out big are those that rent out their homes or even their lawns.

roadburner · June 2022

So Friday I had two felony mediations. A retired judge who I've known for decades is the mediator. Until today I've only had one mediation fail to end up with a plea so I was optimistic. The morning case took all of an hour. The defense attorney was smart, reasonable, and very attractive(I'd try to match my son up with her if she wasn't married).

The second case was a murder; those are tough so I always make sure I know the facts inside and out. The victim(s) will be present and I want them to have confidence in me as well as the case. I spent the better part of Thursday reviewing the file and viewing the defendant's police interview(it is nearly 3 hours in length and the guy is so hyper/scatterbrained that it is excruciating to watch. The attorney for the defendant couldn't make it so he sent another guy from his office. This guy literally knew NOTHING about the case- asking questions about the discovery we provided to their office in March 2021. I was way, WAAAY beyond p*ssed. He wasted everyone's time, and my victims(the next of kin) had taken off from work- it was all for nothing.

The mediator and the trial judge were not happy either. The trial is set about 30 days off, and I'm betting the defense moves for a continuance. I'll strongly object and I suspect that the judge will not be inclined to grant the motion. I try to be reasonable and accommodating to defense attorneys but I have my limits. I told my staff that days like today are the reason I don't keep my Ruger or bourbon at the office.

andres3 · June 2022

kyfdx said:

andres3 said:
The 1989 Oakland A's swept the SF Giants in the World Series that year. 4 games to 0.

Truth be told, it could have been a 31 game series, and the end result would have still been a sweep, 16-0. The '89 A's were unstoppable. The Cubbies if they weren't so cursed back then would have suffered the same fate.
Not that unstoppable. The Reds swept the '90 A's, the very next year.

That was a different team. They were still drinking champagne from the '89 victory, and they set a record, no one had gone from sweeper to sweepee in back to back World Series' before.

andres3 · June 2022

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:
The 1989 Oakland A's swept the SF Giants in the World Series that year. 4 games to 0.

Truth be told, it could have been a 31 game series, and the end result would have still been a sweep, 16-0. The '89 A's were unstoppable. The Cubbies if they weren't so cursed back then would have suffered the same fate.
Didn't those blue birds up in Canada defeat the A's at least once in the playoffs?

I think the Jays might have snarled a single win, but the American League was super strong. What I remember from the '89 Playoffs is one thing and one thing only, Canseco's 5th deck homerun in Toronto; that was majestic.

andres3 · June 2022

Re: Gas Stations

The question came up today for a new fancy monument sign build for this gas station mart rebuild; will the new display sign have room for a 4 digit price? We might need that soon. Get ready for $10.00 and 9/10ths per gallon.

kyfdx · June 2022

driver100 said:

bwia said:
President Biden sets standards for building out a national EV charging network to include 500 charging stations by 2030
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-sets-standards-for-building-out-national-ev-charging-network-164505229.html
Wow! 800!
There are more than 145,000 fueling stations across the United States. 127,588 of these stations are convenience stores selling fuel.

Almost every EV comes with a fueling station, included. (That's the electrical outlet at the owner's home). Comparing charging stations to fuel pumps makes no sense.

stickguy · June 2022

Andre, if you want price controls, just say do. That always works well!

KY, I seem to recall a big percent of EV owners never (or exceedingly rarely) use public chargers. Only on road trips which many don’t take. Unless they are around home and using free included juice instead!

graphicguy · June 2022

jmonroe1 said:

bwia said:
President Biden sets standards for building out a national EV charging network to include 500 charging stations by 2030
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-sets-standards-for-building-out-national-ev-charging-network-164505229.html
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500 charging stations in 8 years ain’t gonna raise the water level of the ocean anymore than spitting into it.

I know we have to start somewhere but c’mon man we gotta try a lot harder than that.

jmonroe

Looks like a typo. The actual number of charging stations to be built out is 500,000. While the oil industry is stupidly and stubbornly hanging on to their gas/diesel stations, one will break ranks and start building out their charging stations on their own to get ahead of the rest.

Once big oil starts to panic about dropping demand (BTW, the current price rise has demand down 5%, already), they’ll start looking to gov’t to dig them out of their self dug hole. Any politician who supports this thievery should be sent packing ASAP.

graphicguy · June 2022

@kyfdx …had a group dinner down your way last night.

https://pompilios.com/

stickguy · June 2022

A smart one will diversify. Gas will be around for a long time but likely continue to decline in total use. So need some vision for the future.

snakeweasel · June 2022

@tjc78 said:

@stickguy said:
yup. they grudgingly let us in.

that is going to be a much longer drive starting next year after we move. But we will only be 15 minutes to the track in Saratoga if we feel like going!

Years ago I built a store in Saratoga. Regret not going to the track. My Grandfather was a huge horse racing fan and raved about Saratoga.

My first trip to the horse races on the program the first horse in the first race was named [my first name]'s bid. It was a sign I told myself so I put money down on that horse. Out of 7 horses that horse came on 8th.

snakeweasel · June 2022

@andres3 said:
I think the Jays might have snarled a single win, but the American League was super strong. What I remember from the '89 Playoffs is one thing and one thing only, Canseco's 5th deck homerun in Toronto; that was majestic.

I checked the box scores for the series the Blue birds won game three. The A's almost blew both games 4 and 5 winning each by one run after having decent leads earlier in the games.

snakeweasel · June 2022

@kyfdx said:
Almost every EV comes with a fueling station, included. (That's the electrical outlet at the owner's home). Comparing charging stations to fuel pumps makes no sense.

But unless you spend the extra bucks to install a charging system that outlet in your garage would take forever to charge up your car.

snakeweasel · June 2022

@stickguy said:
Andre, if you want price controls, just say do. That always works well!

KY, I seem to recall a big percent of EV owners never (or exceedingly rarely) use public chargers. Only on road trips which many don’t take. Unless they are around home and using free included juice instead!

There are a lot of public charging stations around me and often I see cars parked in them charging. Usually at places where you would expect someone to be for a while. Like where there are restaurants or at shopping malls. The ones at drug stores or grocery stores where people pop in and out I never see people at.

bwia · June 2022

graphicguy said:

jmonroe1 said:

bwia said:
President Biden sets standards for building out a national EV charging network to include 500 charging stations by 2030
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-sets-standards-for-building-out-national-ev-charging-network-164505229.html
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500 charging stations in 8 years ain’t gonna raise the water level of the ocean anymore than spitting into it.

I know we have to start somewhere but c’mon man we gotta try a lot harder than that.

jmonroe
Looks like a typo. The actual number of charging stations to be built out is 500,000. While the oil industry is stupidly and stubbornly hanging on to their gas/diesel stations, one will break ranks and start building out their charging stations on their own to get ahead of the rest.

Once big oil starts to panic about dropping demand (BTW, the current price rise has demand down 5%, already), they’ll start looking to gov’t to dig them out of their self dug hole. Any politician who supports this thievery should be sent packing ASAP.

@GG, thanks for the correction. Among the standards called for in the proposed national charging network are requiring EV charging stations every 50 miles on the national highway system, with each location no more than one mile from the highway. The stations would need at least four DC fast-charging ports per station, for example, as well as standard AC charging ports.

snakeweasel · June 2022

@graphicguy said:
Looks like a typo. The actual number of charging stations to be built out is 500,000. While the oil industry is stupidly and stubbornly hanging on to their gas/diesel stations, one will break ranks and start building out their charging stations on their own to get ahead of the rest.

Once big oil starts to panic about dropping demand (BTW, the current price rise has demand down 5%, already), they’ll start looking to gov’t to dig them out of their self dug hole. Any politician who supports this thievery should be sent packing ASAP.

I really think the gas station set up is not good for EV charging, or at least want be until you can recharge an EV from nearly empty to full in 5 to 10 minutes. Charging stations would seem to be better placed where people might want to be for some time like restuarants and shopping.

Big oil doesn't really have much to worry about until they come up with batteries that will give a freight train 300+ mile range or the cargo ship enough range to cross the Pacific. Go juice for cars is only part of what oil is used for.

bwia · June 2022

Audi to Expand Charging Hub Concept to More Cities

Audi revealed this week it will expand its charging hub concept after a positive response from EV drivers following the opening of its prototype hub in Nuremberg, Germany. Aimed at urban drivers who may not always have access to charging at home or work, the automaker's luxury charging hub is also a lounge, available by reservation via an app, offering space to relax, work, and eat. https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a40241026/audi-ev-luxury-charging-hub-station/?

snakeweasel · June 2022

@bwia said:
@GG, thanks for the correction. Among the standards called for in the proposed national charging network are requiring EV charging stations every 50 miles on the national highway system, with each location no more than one mile from the highway. The stations would need at least four DC fast-charging ports per station, for example, as well as standard AC charging ports.

When you say "national highway system" does that mean just the Interstate Highway system or would that include US highways? If it's the later I can see some issues with that on US highways out west.

oldfarmer50 · June 2022

stickguy said:
A smart one will diversify. Gas will be around for a long time but likely continue to decline in total use. So need some vision for the future.

Thankfully I won’t be around to see the debacle that is to come when EV charging overwhelms the ability to generate enough green energy at costs comparable to fossil fuel. The old Chinese curse “may you live in interesting times” comes to mind.

oldfarmer50 · June 2022

snakeweasel said:

@stickguy said:

Andre, if you want price controls, just say do. That always works well!

KY, I seem to recall a big percent of EV owners never (or exceedingly rarely) use public chargers. Only on road trips which many don’t take. Unless they are around home and using free included juice instead!

There are a lot of public charging stations around me and often I see cars parked in them charging. Usually at places where you would expect someone to be for a while. Like where there are restaurants or at shopping malls. The ones at drug stores or grocery stores where people pop in and out I never see people at.

One convenience store chain where we gas up and get coffee has started allocating some of their limited parking to charging stations. Evidently, no one wants to hang out at the Quicky Mart for an hour or more so the stations are never used. This results in other customers parking on the grass, sidewalk, in front of the air pump or other inappropriate places.

andres3 · June 2022

snakeweasel said:

@andres3 said:

I think the Jays might have snarled a single win, but the American League was super strong. What I remember from the '89 Playoffs is one thing and one thing only, Canseco's 5th deck homerun in Toronto; that was majestic.

I checked the box scores for the series the Blue birds won game three. The A's almost blew both games 4 and 5 winning each by one run after having decent leads earlier in the games.

One run lead was a guaranteed win for the A's with Eckersley closing (except when a Kirk Gibson fakes an injury and he feels sorry for him with an 0 and 2 count).

imidazol97 · June 2022

oldfarmer50 said:

Honda black was famous for blasted clear coat as well. I’ve seen numerous rust free Accords in my area that I can immediately identify as from Florida because it looks like a blowtorch has been applied.

To be fair I’ve seen other car makers have similar clar coat problems if they last as long as a a Honda.

I see a lot of Honda products that have the clearcoat and even the base coat worn away on the hood and the roof in this area. I can't tell the age of those vehicles, b ecause I don't know the variations from year-to-year. I also see some paint problems on other brands as well.

I don't notice as many on the Toyota family of products.

I think the deterioation is due to quality problems and locale, such as Florida heat and sun. But the quality problems likely come from having to meet the silly EPA requirements for pollution through the years. I recall our 98 Century had about 10 bubbles in the paint form after a few years. Like the bubbles that were from silicone waxes that weren't removed properly before repainting on an accident repair. PPG paid to repaint quite a few GM cars that met certain requirements and where the dealer requested it. They repainted down to the midline of the door.

The EPA requirements had encourage the company to suggest a two step paint process that used to be 3 steps. There was a base coat and then a finish coat was supposed to stick to that base coat. Earlier there was a base coat, followed by a coat that stuck to the base and that the finish coat was able to stick to.

I recall touring the GM truck plant in Moraine that built the S10 and seeing a waterfall setup that had the air from the paint process sucked through it for the water to catch the paint mist that came from the painting.

tjc78 · June 2022

Toyota has paint problems too, especially with white. Previous generation RAV4’s are known to have the paint come off in sheets.

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