Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

jmonroe1 · December 2025

@stickguy said:
I never did get one. I should have though. a big issue now is that it may not go above freezing for the next 2 months, and not sure I want to be using the hose outside when it is 20 degrees!

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Using it outside is of course the best way to do it but if you’re concerned about salt built up you could use it in your garage and make use of the floor drains. That’s what my Grandson did a few times. It’s a lot more convenient than running to a car wash. And doing it at home you can use all the water you want and not be dependent on the time set by the car wash machine. Hell, @oldfarmer50 will gladly pay you a few bucks for the water which will give you some free squirtings.

jmonroe

nyccarguy · December 2025

@qbrozen said:
Oh but if anyone spots a great lease on a midsize or compact pickup, please let me know.

This is about as cheap as it gets:

Michaell · December 2025

nyccarguy said:

@qbrozen said:

Oh but if anyone spots a great lease on a midsize or compact pickup, please let me know.

This is about as cheap as it gets:

$288/mo seems like a good price for the SR5 - how well equipped is that?

stickguy · December 2025

probably zero options! but at that price it would be a great option for me. I can't quite tell what the actual cost is with the MSDs, etc. the 24/12 would be a 2 year, 1 payment lease I assume so all in?

28firefighter · December 2025

Broker @corvette uses has some solid one pay Tacoma leases.

28firefighter · December 2025

https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/oct-toyota-all-states-dealers-nationwide-below-invoice-24-taco-5k-off-tundra-up-to-12k-off-best-pricing-usa/106422/8838?u=28firefighter

nyccarguy · December 2025

@tjc78 - talk about a horrible drive. Last night my son had a hockey game that was scheduled for 7:00 PM. In the middle of the day, my wife texts me and say the game got changed to 5:00 PM. It was an away game in Danbury which is 40 minutes north of where I live on a good day. So instead of going home and changing into my warm rink clothes, I had to drive straight to the game, fighting traffic, in the rain. All well that ends well. I missed the 1st half of the game. It was a scrimmage with two 45 minute halves and running time. I got to see my son play a great game in goal for his high school team.

tjc78 · December 2025

Wow that is a rough one. That corridor is really just pure hell! Philly is getting worse, but not to that level.

Glad it was a great game! Made it all worth it.

stickguy · December 2025

End to end on the schuykill was no picnic when I did it 17 years ago. I doubt it got better.

kyfdx · December 2025

stickguy said:
actually had need for a snow beater today. I rarely go anywhere but had a doctors appointment this afternoon, and it was snowy today. Thankfully more of an annoyance, maybe and inch and change. Roads were very sloppy, and the parking lot was pretty bad. But the Acura did fine, even with 6 YO contis with 30K on them. But now it is absolutely filthy and I can't wait to get it in for a car wash this week (with the underbody spray).

speaking of which, on my way home, there were actually people driving through a car wash. Seems like insanity, because they were just going to be filthy again long before getting home.

Is your Maverick FWD?

tjc78 · December 2025

@stickguy said:
End to end on the schuykill was no picnic when I did it 17 years ago. I doubt it got better.

Total train wreck both ways end to end. I did that ages ago. Never again.

stickguy · December 2025

At my age I wouldn’t last a week. And back then I did the crawl with a manual.

stickguy · December 2025

@kyfdx said:
Is your Maverick FWD?

Yes. Back then only way to get the hybrid.

One scheme is upgrading to a new maverick to get AWD, 4k tow and the fancy tech goodies I don’t have (surround view and adaptive cruise).

stickguy · December 2025

And I have had a FWD maverick in the snow. They do fine, as good or better than any FWD car thanks to the tall tires and ground clearance. I just don’t want the salt crusties rotting it out.

tjc78 · December 2025

stickguy said:
And I have had a FWD maverick in the snow. They do fine, as good or better than any FWD car thanks to the tall tires and ground clearance. I just don’t want the salt crusties rotting it out.

Both our Enclaves were FWD and went through snow with no issue. Parking on a muddy field at an event did get it stuck though.

qbrozen · December 2025

On the Taco, it is before tax/tags/fees. While not bad, it isn’t the kind of deal I’d be down for. Brings that one-pay probably near $7k, which is ~$290 effective.

28firefighter · December 2025

@qbrozen said:
On the Taco, it is before tax/tags/fees. While not bad, it isn’t the kind of deal I’d be down for. Brings that one-pay probably near $7k, which is ~$290 effective.

$290 is the new $99, IMO

nyccarguy · December 2025

28firefighter said:
https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/oct-toyota-all-states-dealers-nationwide-below-invoice-24-taco-5k-off-tundra-up-to-12k-off-best-pricing-usa/106422/8838?u=28firefighter

I wasn't sure if posting links from LH was allowed here on edmunds. I obviously wouldn't go posting on the "lease questions" board, but don't want our hosts to get in trouble.

nyccarguy · December 2025

corvette said:
I think the Tacomas are leasing okay-ish? Not like they did back in the heyday, but not terrible.

While we are making a wishlist, I have a coworker who could use a cheap lease on a genuine three row SUV (not the kind with toddler seats in the third row). I'm sure that probably more difficult to find than a cheap truck.

You have to look at what's out there with a 3rd row that can fit full sized adults. I don't know what their budget is, but maybe a low trim non-hybrid Grand Highlander would probably lease the best of any SUV with a good sized 3rd row. I think Honda Odysseys are leasing somewhat well nowadays too.

28firefighter · December 2025

I had that moment, too, @nyccarguy but I don’t think it specifically competes. Or maybe they’ll drop the ban hammer and you all can be rid of me.

stickguy · December 2025

$290 per month effective all in does not sound bad to me for a $43k truck. The 2025 build site is gone so can’t tell for sure if it has the convenience package which IMO is essential to have. My guess it no, but there are a bunch of port options padded on

tjc78 · December 2025

Pathfinder is probably the cheapest 3 Row SUV lease right now.

Broker has an SV trim 44K MSRP with just first DAS w/ NJ taxes for $442 24/10

tjc78 · December 2025

Considering that it is pretty much engrained over at LH to come to Edmunds for lease numbers, I'd assume the occasional link isn't going to be a major problem.

Our esteemed hosts are kept fairly busy from LH!

nyccarguy · December 2025

tjc78 said:
Considering that it is pretty much engrained over at LH to come to Edmunds for lease numbers, I'd assume the occasional link isn't going to be a major problem.

Our esteemed hosts are kept fairly busy from LH!

It is funny. On LeaseHackr, they either tell people to pay money and become a super supporter for $10 per month or to come to the edmunds "lease questions" forums.

sda · December 2025

@qbrozen said:
Oh but if anyone spots a great lease on a midsize or compact pickup, please let me know.

Have you given up on the Coronet?

jmonroe1 · December 2025

@tjc78 said:

@stickguy said:
End to end on the schuykill was no picnic when I did it 17 years ago. I doubt it got better.

Total train wreck both ways end to end. I did that ages ago. Never again.

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You got that right. Back in the mid 70s when we went to Atlantic City I experienced that going to and from. I always saw the results of train wrecks but I could never see a train in the ditch.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · December 2025

@stickguy said:
And I have had a FWD maverick in the snow. They do fine, as good or better than any FWD car thanks to the tall tires and ground clearance. I just don’t want the salt crusties rotting it out.

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I told you how to avoid that. Don’t blame me for your procrastination.

jmonroe

qbrozen · December 2025

@sda said:

@qbrozen said:
Oh but if anyone spots a great lease on a midsize or compact pickup, please let me know.

Have you given up on the Coronet?

No. It will probably wait for my retirement. Ha. Or I really should sell all my beaters so I can focus all my time on the Coronet. I get very little time to work on anything these days.

Michaell · December 2025

We've relaxed our standards regarding links to other automotive websites - just don't want any overt soliciting taking place.

28firefighter · December 2025

You’re stuck with me. Oh well.

corvette · December 2025

stickguy said:
$290 per month effective all in does not sound bad to me for a $43k truck. The 2025 build site is gone so can’t tell for sure if it has the convenience package which IMO is essential to have. My guess it no, but there are a bunch of port options padded on

IIRC, the pricing he posts is just for that one particular configuration, the vehicles on the lot with a given trim level can and do have different options added on, so the final OTD price on them will vary slightly to account.

xwesx · December 2025

qbrozen said:
I really do want something a bit more reasonable to daily. Alfa is fine but nobody likes the small backseat so it is essentially a 2-seater, truck is just too damned big to drive all the time not to mention a gas hog and quite miled up already, and the maser is too temperamental and of course not great for foul weather. Meh. I dunno. I’ll likely do nothing.

With the Vespa, I can't believe you'd even ponder another daily driver!

stickguy · December 2025

@jmonroe1 said:

@stickguy said:
And I have had a FWD maverick in the snow. They do fine, as good or better than any FWD car thanks to the tall tires and ground clearance. I just don’t want the salt crusties rotting it out.

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I told you how to avoid that. Don’t blame me for your procrastination.

jmonroe

We don’t have a floor drain. And the hose bib is outside. So when it is well below freezing not an ideal situation. So it got the touchless wash with underbody spray at lunchtime.

A nice lease on a truck sounds ideal. No need to care about the undercarriage rotting out Aron salt in one of thise.

andres3 · December 2025

nyccarguy said:
@tjc78 - talk about a horrible drive. Last night my son had a hockey game that was scheduled for 7:00 PM. In the middle of the day, my wife texts me and say the game got changed to 5:00 PM. It was an away game in Danbury which is 40 minutes north of where I live on a good day. So instead of going home and changing into my warm rink clothes, I had to drive straight to the game, fighting traffic, in the rain. All well that ends well. I missed the 1st half of the game. It was a scrimmage with two 45 minute halves and running time. I got to see my son play a great game in goal for his high school team.

What does it take to activate the rapid acceleration on your app?

nyccarguy · December 2025

@andres3 - speed bursts of 10+ mph or more.

jmonroe1 · December 2025

@stickguy said:

@jmonroe1 said:

@stickguy said:
And I have had a FWD maverick in the snow. They do fine, as good or better than any FWD car thanks to the tall tires and ground clearance. I just don’t want the salt crusties rotting it out.

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I told you how to avoid that. Don’t blame me for your procrastination.

jmonroe

We don’t have a floor drain. And the hose bib is outside. So when it is well below freezing not an ideal situation. So it got the touchless wash with underbody spray at lunchtime.

A nice lease on a truck sounds ideal. No need to care about the undercarriage rotting out Aron salt in one of thise.

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Around here, a garage floor drain is required by code. I’ve heard that new builds with 2 and 3 car garages require a floor drain for each car bay but I haven’t confirmed that.

When I lived in SC, a garage floor drain was not required (1992) but since I had a builder who came from the North he installed one as standard.

jmonroe

corvette · December 2025

Is that the Toyota app, or one of those insurance monitor things? I know the Tundra I had would grade you on hard braking, etc., but I haven't used the Toyota app since it went back at lease end.

qbrozen · December 2025

@jmonroe1 said:

@stickguy said:

@jmonroe1 said:

@stickguy said:
And I have had a FWD maverick in the snow. They do fine, as good or better than any FWD car thanks to the tall tires and ground clearance. I just don’t want the salt crusties rotting it out.

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I told you how to avoid that. Don’t blame me for your procrastination.

jmonroe

We don’t have a floor drain. And the hose bib is outside. So when it is well below freezing not an ideal situation. So it got the touchless wash with underbody spray at lunchtime.

A nice lease on a truck sounds ideal. No need to care about the undercarriage rotting out Aron salt in one of thise.

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Around here, a garage floor drain is required by code. I’ve heard that new builds with 2 and 3 car garages require a floor drain for each car bay but I haven’t confirmed that.

When I lived in SC, a garage floor drain was not required (1992) but since I had a builder who came from the North he installed one as standard.

jmonroe

That’s interesting. To where does it drain? I’d think they would be concerned about leaks from vehicles contaminating the ground.

jmonroe1 · December 2025

@qbrozen said:

@jmonroe1 said:

@stickguy said:

@jmonroe1 said:

@stickguy said:
And I have had a FWD maverick in the snow. They do fine, as good or better than any FWD car thanks to the tall tires and ground clearance. I just don’t want the salt crusties rotting it out.

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I told you how to avoid that. Don’t blame me for your procrastination.

jmonroe

We don’t have a floor drain. And the hose bib is outside. So when it is well below freezing not an ideal situation. So it got the touchless wash with underbody spray at lunchtime.

A nice lease on a truck sounds ideal. No need to care about the undercarriage rotting out Aron salt in one of thise.

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Around here, a garage floor drain is required by code. I’ve heard that new builds with 2 and 3 car garages require a floor drain for each car bay but I haven’t confirmed that.

When I lived in SC, a garage floor drain was not required (1992) but since I had a builder who came from the North he installed one as standard.

jmonroe

That’s interesting. To where does it drain? I’d think they would be concerned about leaks from vehicles contaminating the ground.

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Where I’ve lived the garage drain is connected to the house sanitation drain. One time I asked a water company employee why they weren’t concerned with the possibility of a gasoline leak draining into their sewer system, his response was, “we can handle the gasoline better than having it rolling down the street and causing a possible fire/explosion if it was connected to the roof run off drain line that discharges onto the street”. It makes no sense to me because in one breath they don’t want you pouring any flammable fluids down your toilets then in the next breath they say it’s safe for your gas tank to empty into the sanitary drain. I’ve learned that codes only apply when municipalities want them to apply.

jmonroe

xwesx · December 2025

It all depends on the area, but often garage drains are only attached to a dry well that is typically installed below the floor of the garage, and other times the plumbing goes into the sanitation. If there is a scenario where a fluid is leaking, it is going into the environment one way or another. My thought is that it is best to have it contained, even if not ideal any which way you shake it!

stickguy · December 2025

well, must not be code in NY now since this place was built last year. We have 2 possible drains, the french drains and sump pump that connect into a storm drain, and the sewer pipe going out to the main. I doubt they want garage drips in the storm drain, but those get plenty off the road anyway.

stickguy · December 2025

for driving apps, Allstate has one (Drivewise) they are always pushing, claiming you get a discount. I signed up year 1 and did enough legs to qualify, then turned it off and now I doubt bother with it.

theirs is just a phone app. Nothing connected to the cars. Though no clue how it works if I have it active and ride with someone like Andre who would be blowing up my account and getting me surcharged!

xwesx · December 2025

My take on those insurance apps is the same as with traffic cameras that will ticket you: They have no idea about the context surrounding the data points! Sure, you can probably surmise that a driver is a complete dink if the data shows a vast number of strong lateral forces and hard stops, but for those of us who are "normal" drivers, does going 5-10 over the limit (based on GPS) for a period of time indicate high-risk driving? Impossible to tell from data alone! How about strong lateral force two times during a single driving event? Also, impossible to tell.

If the story behind that event was, over three hours and 100 miles, that there was a 45-minute period of light traffic on the interstate followed by some around-town driving, followed by a country road where a driver entering the road from the right blew a stop sign (and you managed to narrowly avoid him), then I would say, "no." That sounds like great driving to me!

However, I'm sure there could be a completely different set of circumstances where the driver could produce the exact same data and be driving in an extremely risky way. Say, for example, there was a ten-mile stretch of interstate where traffic was backed up and crawling due to a lane closure. But, you being you, realized that the closed lane had no work being done at all for many miles! You said, "My time is more valuable than these other saps...," and you just gunned it, swerved into the coned-off lane, tore down the road for nine miles, then swerved to the opposite shoulder where you drove for another mile before easing in ahead of the congestion once the road opened back up again. YIKES!

As such, discount or not, I say, "no thanks." I'm not going to give them any reason to judge or doubt the integrity of my driving.

nyccarguy · December 2025

@corvette said:
Is that the Toyota app, or one of those insurance monitor things? I know the Tundra I had would grade you on hard braking, etc., but I haven't used the Toyota app since it went back at lease end.

No. It’s called life 360. There is a free version which we use. You can also pay if you want more details about the driving. Things like that. It gives alerts when my family leaves certain places and gets to certain places. It gives you more information than on find my iPhone. It gives more of a real time update. If I need to call one of my kids who is driving about something that isn’t important, I’ll wait until they reach their destination.

oldfarmer50 · December 2025

jmonroe1 said:

@stickguy said:

@jmonroe1 said:

@stickguy said:

And I have had a FWD maverick in the snow. They do fine, as good or better than any FWD car thanks to the tall tires and ground clearance. I just don’t want the salt crusties rotting it out.

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I told you how to avoid that. Don’t blame me for your procrastination.

jmonroe

We don’t have a floor drain. And the hose bib is outside. So when it is well below freezing not an ideal situation. So it got the touchless wash with underbody spray at lunchtime.

A nice lease on a truck sounds ideal. No need to care about the undercarriage rotting out Aron salt in one of thise.

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Around here, a garage floor drain is required by code. I’ve heard that new builds with 2 and 3 car garages require a floor drain for each car bay but I haven’t confirmed that.

When I lived in SC, a garage floor drain was not required (1992) but since I had a builder who came from the North he installed one as standard.

jmonroe

I don’t have floor drains either and I’d be at a loss as to what they would drain into. I do have foundation drains on the out side that I hooked into the agricultural soil drainage system in the farm fields. Any water around my foundation ends up 1,000’ away down the hill.

oldfarmer50 · December 2025

xwesx said:
My take on those insurance apps is the same as with traffic cameras that will ticket you: They have no idea about the context surrounding the data points! Sure, you can probably surmise that a driver is a complete dink if the data shows a vast number of strong lateral forces and hard stops, but for those of us who are "normal" drivers, does going 5-10 over the limit (based on GPS) for a period of time indicate high-risk driving? Impossible to tell from data alone! How about strong lateral force two times during a single driving event? Also, impossible to tell.

If the story behind that event was, over three hours and 100 miles, that there was a 45-minute period of light traffic on the interstate followed by some around-town driving, followed by a country road where a driver entering the road from the right blew a stop sign (and you managed to narrowly avoid him), then I would say, "no." That sounds like great driving to me!

However, I'm sure there could be a completely different set of circumstances where the driver could produce the exact same data and be driving in an extremely risky way. Say, for example, there was a ten-mile stretch of interstate where traffic was backed up and crawling due to a lane closure. But, you being you, realized that the closed lane had no work being done at all for many miles! You said, "My time is more valuable than these other saps...," and you just gunned it, swerved into the coned-off lane, tore down the road for nine miles, then swerved to the opposite shoulder where you drove for another mile before easing in ahead of the congestion once the road opened back up again. YIKES!

As such, discount or not, I say, "no thanks." I'm not going to give them any reason to judge or doubt the integrity of my driving.

I briefly entertained installing one of those dongles in the OBD port to get a discount on my Mustang while it was in winter storage. I thought that if nothing else I’d get a good laugh when they got no data from their spy device.

ab348 · December 2025

My house dates from 1955. I was told by a neighbor after I bought it years ago that the original owners filled in the basement floor drain and leveled the concrete floor around it when they finished the basement. Whether it went into a pipe or was just a French drain I do not know. I do know that the original laundry room space did have a French drain of sorts, a square hole cut into the slab with gravel showing below. When I had that space redone in 2017 that went away. Luckily I’ve never had water problems down there.

The garage dates from a bit later I suspect but not by much. It too had a French drain of sorts which I never liked because I thought it might provide access for burrowing pests, so I filled it in myself with some leftover concrete.

roadburner · December 2025

Now that I've addressed a few issues on the Club Sport I've been driving it a lot more- and my wife and I are pleasantly surprised at how well it compares with new and nearly new cars. I now subscribe to Classics World, another British magazine, and it contains a special section devoted to "Youngtimers"- cars 20 to 30 years old. There's a general consensus that today's modern cars will be difficult if not impossible to maintain long term due to their complexity and the probable lack of aftermarket support- many believe that cars dating from around 2010 or older will be the last cars that will be relatively easy to maintain. Sadly, I suspect that will likely be the case.

stickguy · December 2025

Electronic modules will likely total cars with perfectly fine engines and transmissions.

oldfarmer50 · December 2025

stickguy said:
Electronic modules will likely total cars with perfectly fine engines and transmissions.

I think it will be a race between the electronics and plastic parts deteriorating.

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