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doesn't make any sense that your rears would be @ 20% already!
Per Post #8106, no concerns here about airbag dash cover.
My 2004 Accord is one of the best designed and built vehicles that I've ever owned.
that is GREAT that your car is so perfect. will you change your screen/log in name when you have to post a question about a problem? or just eat your words and keep "blane"? you know the second someone senses your less than 100% satisfaction with the car, its all over, haha.
as far as my airbag cover, it seems like there is an easy temp fix. i have to take the car in Tuesday for the brake work again (this time less than 1000 miles since last brake work), at that time i will ask them to take the removable cover off and order a new one, and hope it matches the interior, and hope it is better built.
on a side note - helping a friend look at Audi's today. i know i will get the bug! i hope, for my wallets sake, i still get to take the Honda in on Tuesday. that means i didn't buy one too!
When I managed a large shop years ago, we would somtimes refund money to customers who constantly wore out their brakes and demanded we keep replacing them time after time. It was far cheaper and less stressful for us to send them down the road.
Other people with the exact same make and model cars would never have recurring brake problems.
here is the only question that has a 100% concrete answer:
q - why is it only his Honda Accord that can't take the heat?
a - not built with high quality parts.
VW's, Mazda's, even other Hondas/Acuras, BMW, never had brake problems. whats the difference? the Honda Accord just doesn't measure up.
do a Google search on Honda brake problems. visit some sites. have an open mind. then try to blame the DRIVER for mechanical problems. Honda knows they have a problem. how is it that HONDA admits the issue, but a civilian says it doesn't exist? that would be like me saying, "well sure i got the recall notice, but there isn't really a problem." ???? see how funny that sounds?
i can't wait for when someone's Honda doesn't start. that will be his/her fault? this transmission recall - must be people are asking the car not to shift enough/making it shift too much? you can't have it both ways.
Do you have evidence that they aren't having the same ratio of brake problems exemplified here?
If you don't have evidence of their experience, there's no relevance to the reports here of brake problems.
"And many folks have worn brakes at short intervals. It's not just the Accord. "
Odd that the same folks don't complain about brake problems with their prior cars, since you're implying the weak brake system is failing
and it's THEIR (the driver's) fault.
That shows there's a weak design in the brakes.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
This would be a mere annoyance except that I'm in the process of trying to sell my car. The "hole" formed by the missing door doesn't look inviting.
Can the door be fixed? Can a replacement part be purchased and installed without the major expense of removing the audio unit? Any suggestions?
Do you have evidence that they ARE having the same ratio of brake problems?
"If you don't have evidence of their experience, there's no relevance to the reports here of brake problems."
We don't have evidence of anyone's experience outside of these forums. So any conclusions based on the assumption that the general population of Accord owners either is or isn't experiencing a high level of brake problems are strictly conjecture.
As for the forums, we have some reports of people having problems and others of people having no problems. No conclusions regarding how widespread this brake is can be drawn from here either.
I do know the one biggest factor in brake wear is driving habits.
Auburn...what are your feelings since you work on these everyday?
That's what I just said in response to someone's trying to use the vast unknown as evidence there is no pattern of problems. We agree!!!
"No conclusions regarding how widespread this brake is can be drawn from here either."
But we do know it's widespread enough that Honda has service bulletins and is replacing parts!!! Don't we agree on that!!!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But haven't yours been replaced several times? Including parts that were not included in that recall? The recall only covered rotors and pads...Once. Shoulda fixed that issue.
Yes, but your post was limited to the statement that the vast unknown doesn't prove that there's no pattern of problems. For the sake of balance, I just pointed out that the vast unknown doesn't prove that there IS a pattern of problems, either. Now that both sides of the coin have been addressed, it does seem that we agree.
"But we do know it's widespread enough that Honda has service bulletins and is replacing parts!!! Don't we agree on that!!!"
There are lots of service bulletins out there, and many of them apply to only a small percentage of cars. And THAT the service manager of my dealership verified. The existence of a service bulletin confirms that a problem exists... it says nothing about how widespread it is.
the fact is the Gen 7 Honda Accords have some pretty major issues. one of them being brake pad/rotor issues.
people should know this before buying. ideally this board would be for problems AND solutions. its that second part we are still waiting on......HONDA! when VW admitted the coil problem, they also had a solution. waiting on Honda to get with the program. heck, Mazda managed to fix the A/C problems on the Mazda3 in the same model year! ditto the rust problems on the Mazda6.
also, no one that comes in here with a problem should be told it is their fault. that is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of any meaningful education. its really very basic. same driver - car A has brake problems. car B doesn't. car A is clearly higher quality than car B. doesn't get any simpler. who cares about "ratios" and "evidence"? Honda TSB's and service receipts are all the evidence one needs.
An abusive driver can quickly ruin a set of brake pads and warp rotors!
So driver "A" wears out his brakes in 20,000 miles and driver "B" driving the same exact car under similar conditions gets 75,000 miles out of his brakes.
Same thing with a clutch. A lot of people can sell a car with 200,000 miles on the original clutch while others wear them out in 50,000.
And it's hard to come up with a "solution" when a problem is only limited to a few isolated cases. They did have an update on the 2003 models where they replaced the pads with improved versions.
Hopefully yours were replaced with the updated versions.
I traded in my Accord when it became clear that its brake problems were unsolveable. I took a bit of a financial hit, but my peace of mind increased greatly.
Since the problems began about two weeks after I bought the car, I'm confident that my issues weren't related to brake abuse
Though it's an unfortunate experience to have with a new car, as soon as you move on to something else you'll start to feel less irritated about the whole thing.
Life is short!
doing a public service. if it took more energy than just typing i wouldn't bother. but this is easy
Three sets of pads and rotors in 12,000 miles (and the first replacement after only two weeks of ownership) is above and beyond what even the worst driver could go through on his or her own.
What that says to me is that there was a problem with the brake system itself on my particular vehicle (note that I'm not claiming that this problem exists with all Accords), which caused premature pad/rotor wear .
For you to assign blame to drivers without any real knowledge of individual cases is irresponsible and unwarranted.
i know, i know, its my fault that the dash is sagging. i must be sitting on it too hard
i still love the climate control. and the V6. and though my transmission is a ticking time bomb apparently, it shifts just fine.
if the brakes were better and the rattles gone, it would be as close to perfect as is possible with a car (assuming the transmission doesn't fall out).
maybe Honda is secretly working on a fix and we will learn about it soon.
You begin to lose confidence in the car and view even the most minor sags, creaks, and groans with despair and suspicion.
It's the bitter end of a dysfunctional relationship. There's nowhere to go but out.
I am old an with age you get wise, been reading your posts. Its time to act. The people on this board cannot help you. If car is under warranty and Honda cannot satisfy you. Seek legal action,check into the lemon law for your state. If that is not what you want to do get a set of aftermarket heavy duty rotors and pads it will fix one of your problems. Also, from the numerous complaints you have, my opinion: you will never be satisfied with this car. Sell or trade it! Why give your coronary arteries constant aggrevation? Act now!
Have fun with the kia and move on.
-D
Head liner noise, Clicking coming from the clutch pedal, smears on my windshield from the wiper fluid, and excessive engine vibration when the A/C kicks in.
All are TSB's, and all will (I love my dealer) be fixed.
Oh and for the record I am a total psycho when it comes to braking from full speed (only when no one is around mom!)... and I haven't been able to warp my rotors
Yeah, I've got noise coming out of pillars and headliners. I only notice it if I turn off the stereo.
I suppose everything is relative to expectation and experience. Until March I was driving a 1987 Chevy S10 with power nothing, an AC that gave out years ago, the original, torn-up vinyl seats, carpet that I put in myself, a V6 that struggled to maintain 50mph up a grade, and a tape deck stereo that I had installed myself.
Mow I've got this fully powered, dual climate control, leather interior, V6 with all the cylinders firing, and a 6 CD XM stereo. What clicking??! *grin*
is there a fix for the headliner noise near the front seats?
if so, i know someone will send it to me. i will have a complaint that would be resolved! i know you all want that to happen! haha.
why do people keep recommending Kia to me? is there something about Kia that i don't know? are they better than Hondas now? i knew they were making strides....but only getting 190 hp out of a 3.5 liter gas guzzler doesn't make them seem much better. what Kia are people referring to? the Amanti? i am not that old yet...
Take a thin screwdriver and GENTLY pry the clock from the dashboard from the side... use a cloth to prevent marring anything. The clock should pop out with little effort. The bulb is easily accessible from the back... it unlocks with a quarter turn. Replace the bulb and push the clock back into the dash. Should take around 5 minutes.
Honda is not being consistent. and that is not fair to the consumer. because i don't drive my Accord hard. again, that is what my Miata is for - sporty fun driving. yet they can't get my brakes right. and lots of others are having the same problems. yet you say you drove yours like you stole it, and no problems. except for water getting on the brakes. which is a totally different game. where in the manual does it say "CAUTION - driving in the rain will cause brake damage. Your warranty is void if you encounter a puddle in the road or a carwash."
some Accords are okay (so the owners claim), and some are simply unacceptable. sooooo not what i expected of Honda when i dumped the VW for it!
anyway, all i can hope for is that my next set of rotors and pads will be better. but i will surely be letting everyone know