VW Passat Wagons (GL, GLS, GLX & W8)

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  • robbiewexrobbiewex Member Posts: 7
    My new Passat W8 Wagon has a problem accurately registering the amount of fuel in the tank. The dealer tells me I have to remove the key from the ignition before filling up the car with gas, or it will not register correctly. Even if you restart the car or drive a few miles. It takes the car several hours before the guage reads full. I think this is very odd, and the dealer service person tells me the tech bulletins say this is normal. I say it's totally not right and plan on fighting with them to get this resolved. Has anyone else had a similar problem?
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    ...the dealer suggests (i.e., pull the key), does it work properly, or still take that long to register a full tank?

    Ask to see the tech bulletin. What can it hurt? I don't have a W8, but the needle pretty much jumps right to the full mark on my 1.8T, after refueling and restarting the car (I always pull the key - don't want my baby 'jacked while my back is turned).
  • hiflyerhiflyer Member Posts: 79
    robbie,

    Why are you going to fight if all it takes is removing the key from the ignition? I can see it if you did that and the fuel gauge still failed to properly register immediately after refueling. Did I misread your post in that you did remove the key and it still takes several hours to register?
  • jrs11jrs11 Member Posts: 1
    Hi,
    I am looking for cargo mats that fit the GLX wagon and have not been able to find any specificly for the Passat. I need something to put down for my big brown lab! Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
  • jdlsjdls Member Posts: 1
    Having same problem,when temp falls below 40f engine will intermittently not crank. After 4 trys engine turned over as normal.Have brought in to dealer cant diagnose problem,thinking of bringing it in during cold weather and leaving it there for a week,and hopefully problem will appear at dealer.If anyone has experienced this problem and had it corrected would appreciate your response..Thank you
  • westrid_dadwestrid_dad Member Posts: 22
    jrs11,

    I've been very happy with the WeatherTech cargo liner in our wagon. Good fit, looks sharp, and is easy to keep clean. Vacuum it, or pull it out and hose it off. Periodic applications of 303 Aerospace Protectant helps keep it looking new.

    http://www.weathertech.com/store/vehsearch.asp?item_group_id=1&am- p;make_id=54&year_no=2003&veh_id=674&veh_opt_choice_i- d=12

    Others have gone with a product that will also cover the back of the seats when they are folded down. I can't remember the name of it but perhaps someone else will chime in.

    VW also has a couple of options available. Sorry, I tried to give you the url from VW's site but it seems to be down at the moment.
  • robbiewexrobbiewex Member Posts: 7
    Thanks for your posts! I guess I could be satisfied with the simple solution of removing the key when refilling, but it's not my style to accept a "workaround." It should jump to full, as altair4 suggests. Whether the key is in or out. Good suggestion, though; I will ask to see the tech bulletin next time I visit the dealer.

    I bought he Monster Mat cargo mat for my Passat W8 Wagon right at the dealer. VW direct has several options. Actually, I don't recommend this mat for your dog. Go with something rubber, for sure. VW offers a fitted rubber mat, as does WeatherTech (as posted #1607).

    Thanks again!
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    from Weathertech is not exactly rubber, or at least not the same rubber as in their wonderful floor mats (or like the VW monster mat floor mats).

    It has a more plastic feel to it. But don't let that dissuade you...it fits very well and seems very durable (although we don't have dogs). I got ours just before vacation and it saved me a ton of "post-vacation" clean up time. I just took the dustbuster to it and vacuumed up the beach sand. A damp paper towel completed the clean-up! Looked like new. I gotta say, if the thing were made of the same material as the floor mats, it would weigh a ton and would be difficult to install and remove. Probably make accessing the spare more difficult, too.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Just for the record, have you tried pulling the key before refueling? Does it, in fact, allow the fuel gauge needle to register more quickly? Just curious.
  • volkszeitgeistvolkszeitgeist Member Posts: 1
    The weathertech mentioned above fits the cargo area with the rear seats up. For a cargo liner that fits the extended cargo area with the rear seats folded down, Carbox is the only maker that I've found that makes one specifically for the GLX Wagon. It fits snugly with a raised lip around the perimeter and allows access to the four D-rings in the cargo area. It's got a silly-looking car print and is expensive (around $130), but very practical for protecting the interior of the car.
  • lawnboylawnboy Member Posts: 1
    Hi all, I am considering buying a 2002 Passat Station Wagon (GLX v6 4Motion 4 door) from one of my good friends but am now having concerns about the reliability/durability of the ignition coils. The car was purchased in November of 2001, is a 2002 model year, and has 29,000 miles on it. Are my concerns justified, or has this car passed the time/mileage in which the ignition coil failure would have occurred? Any help would be much appreciated.
     Thanks,
    - Bobby
  • casecom2casecom2 Member Posts: 72
    The 2.8-liter V6 engine in the Passat GLX was not affected by the recent ignition coil problems. So you should have no worries on that front. Good luck with your decision.
  • dallelydallely Member Posts: 1
    We just purchased a 2004 4 Motion Wagon in late October. Within a week we started having problems with the transmission. On a regularly frequent basis the transmission would slam into gear. It occurs most frequently when the car is slowing down and the car is downshifting. When you hit the gas slightly to maintain momentum (i.e. pulling into our garage), the car slams into gear. When this happens there is a very noticeable shutter felt throughout the whole car. The car has been back to the dealer twice and both times they could not recreate the problem and said diagnostics revealed no problems. Very disappointing. This problem does not happen all of the time but at least once per day. Anyone else had the same problem? Any thoughts?
  • spyder52spyder52 Member Posts: 30
    I have 17000 miles on my 02' Passat GLS. Very happy with overall build quality, driving is great, the look is awesome bla bla, typical of the good stuff only German cars can offer. However, there haven't been pain free during the ownership. Within the first week of owning this car the computer display on the dash went out had to be replaced, no problems after that. Within the past 2 months, check engine light came on twice all due to engine misfire, the first time the software had to be replaced, the second time (today) they cleaned the throttle body, etc. The offical explaination I got was to use a lower grade fuel, and VW is working on some kind of software fix. Anyone has this problem on their 1.8T? Dealer told me that this is a common problem.
  • hsutherlandhsutherland Member Posts: 1
    Dallely, I have a 2001 GLX 4motion wagon that has the same problem, I've complained to the dealer about 5 times. They even claimed it was
    'normal'. A few other friends have the same car and do not have this problem. One time the dealer said there was a crack in the transmission mount/bracket & they pulled it out
    and fixed it. No difference. I'm convinced I
    just got a bad one. Mine has 56k miles so far and I'm thinking of getting rid of it, I just
    worried something major is wrong with it.
  • cmanncmann Member Posts: 17
    Interesting .... 2003 GLX 4MO Variant here ... 23000km .... exactly same problem as you've described ... whatever it is, it isn't just your transmission.
  • tob07tob07 Member Posts: 2
    I just received a quote from the dealer for a 2004 Passat wagon- GLX... the only option on the GLX wagon in the OnStar, which I am told it is equipped with... price he quoted is $30,400... and he has to get it from another dealership.

    Am I getting ripped off, or good deal??
  • mauislickmauislick Member Posts: 107
    ANY PRICE BESIDES FREE FOR A CAR IS A RIP OFF!
  • mauislickmauislick Member Posts: 107
    ANY PRICE BESIDES FREE FOR A CAR IS A RIP OFF!
    Now with that said....have you done your research? and is it a deal you can live with?
    if so it's a great deal......if you don't like that price dont' buy it.......VW and all the other make cars to sell for profit..... they deprciate faster that computer equip....so cars at any rate are like women and gambling they cost you money you'll never get back
  • tob07tob07 Member Posts: 2
    I concur, mauislick... especially on the women and gambling. I like the car & price, as I was skeptical of the 4cyl. and wanted the 6... the price is $300 over the Edmunds TMV amount, not that I am living by it, but it seems to be a good gauge.

    The next dilemma is whether to drop another $2k on the 100k ml. warranty.. it's quickly resembling a "gambling on women" scenario.
  • mauislickmauislick Member Posts: 107
    the Vw warrenty is quite good as is .....2k on an extended is really only past the VW warrenty...your pre paying anything they could go wrong..
    VW = 12 month "adjustments warrenty"
          4 yr/50 or 60
      power train 4 yr
    I may be wrong on the exact miles but is is one of the best in the industry...keep the 2k and invest it......
  • brubrubrubru Member Posts: 7
    Just joined the board and saw this discussion from a month ago. For what it's worth, I have a 2003 W8 and the fuel gauge does not do this.
  • brubrubrubru Member Posts: 7
    I purchased the Carbox liner for my W8 and am very pleased. It's a bit different from the one pictured at

    http://www.mats4less.com/19vwpawacaca.html

    in that it doesn't have the piece that covers the seats when they're folded down (wish it did). At any rate, it looks and works great. We haul two Corgis around so it's very durable in that regard.
  • mjshapiromjshapiro Member Posts: 1
    I am considering a Passat wagon GLS 1.8T. We currently have an Subaru Outback AWD and like the AWD. We live in the Northeast so it does snow. Unfortunately I think the GLX 4Motion is out of our budget and was wondering if anyone could comment on the standard GLS model in the snow or adverse weather conditions? Also - does anyone know when the 4Motion GLS 1.8T's will be hitting the dealers? I have been told anywhere from February until mid-summer?? Thanks!
  • jkilojkilo Member Posts: 1
    mjshapiro:
    My advice would be to stick with the Subuaru. The 1.8T FWD with the traction control system option handles well in the snow. But you won't be happy with the acceleration - especially if you get 4 motion with that engine. There is no replacement for displacement - and the low torque of the 1.8T won't work well AWD - it is marginal on just the FWD. If you work the throttle hard to get into the turbo band - your fuel economy will drop a lot. Also - while the Passat Wagon has lots cargo space - you'll find that when you use it (and have VW mudflaps installed - which make sense for snow/slop) the rear flaps will hit the pavement frequently.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    I'll give you an alternative. Can't pop for the 4Motion and don't want another Subie? Buy the GLS and throw on a foursome of dedicated winter tires. Every manufacturer has 'em, Michelin, Dunlop, Nokian, Goodyear, Bridgestone, etc. Get them mounted on steelie rims and save on your alloys, too.

    I'll disagree with jkilo on the 1.8T's acceleration with FWD...but he's probably right about the 1.8T with 4Motion...base Audis use that combo and they aren't known for the off-the-line speed.

    Personally, I simply run my 1.8T in the snow with the OEM Michelins. Is it bullet-proof? No. Adequate? I'd say "yes." But then, my approach to winter is if the roads are too bad, I'll just wait an hour for the plow to come through.

    PS: I've got the wagon and have had the cargo filled with luggage without ever scraping my mudflaps. YMMV.
  • jb18tjb18t Member Posts: 25
    I wrote this reply(message #1433 pg 73) to a similar question. Still feel the same way. Have not bought the Nokian Haakkapalitta's yet as my Conti's are still gripping very well(22K on them!).

    I have a FWD GLS. Live in mountainous Northeast Pennsylvania. We had a very snowy winter. Never missed work. I live at 1800 ft above sea level and went down to the valley and back without any problem. That includes in 3 decent size storms. This car is great in snow. I ran the OEM Contis too! Next year will try some snow tires as the Contis will be a bit older and more worn by then. Like the more lighter weight of the GLS and better gas mileage.
  • chathcockchathcock Member Posts: 2
    Have this problem. Hesitates when RPMs are between 1800 to 2000, 4th gear and going up hill. Car wants to downshift but it "Bumps", hesitates, or something just prior to downshifting. I have read many things on the board, but does any one have a fix? My local dealer has no idea and says they can not replicate/duplicate the gripe.
     Also, was cold here the other day and the car would not start. Dealer had it towed in, would not start for them. Got the car back and they lay the blame on me saying I am pushing the gas pedal on startup. Come on man, I am NOT doing that to an EFI engine. Seems that want to blame me and not try and fix the car. Looks to me that if they are not able to pull any "codes' then they are not able to fix the car. Any help on that issue either would be appreciated.
  • cpswoodcpswood Member Posts: 3
    I posted a few weeks ago about my wife's Passat that wouldn't start in cold weather. After leaving it at the dealership for about 2 weeks, my wife decided to try it herself on a cold morning, and VOILA, it wouldn't start. (She was also "accused" of pushing the gas pedal). They diagnosed the problem as being a short in the ignition. It was swapped out, and has not had any problems since. Hope this helps some of you.

    Side note, one disadvantage of the design of this forum is that there are too few topics. It would be easier to get help on specific problems if there were more (and therefore smaller) topic areas. Just my opinion.
  • chathcockchathcock Member Posts: 2
    CPS,
      Thanks for the information. Did they say why it would act stupid in the cold only? My local dealer is a parts changer and if there is no code, then there is nothing wrong..... I may have to shop around for another dealer.
     Thanks and my quest for to fix the car continues....
  • gleogleo Member Posts: 2
    I just purchased a 03' W8 and took it in to the dealership cause the milage was not that great. Was told that they had to replace 2 of the 6 oxygen sensors on the engine....Has anyone ever encountered this problem? This was news to me...Any other inputs would be helpful....Also, does anyone have information about the VW Customer Loyalty program? Thanks!
  • jtrujillo86jtrujillo86 Member Posts: 300
    The oxygen sensors seem to be a problem with the entire VW line.
  • maxxx1maxxx1 Member Posts: 1
    My wife and I both drive 1999 silver passat wagons. We bought them from the dealer when they were 2 and 3 years old. One has been great (lowered since 2001, extremely well maintained) and the other has given us headaches more frequently (but equally as well-maintained).

    The first one is my car and has 139Mkm on it. Knock on wood, it has required no major work since the warranty ran out at 80km. The second is my wife's car and has had cert. warranty up to 120km but we were using it steadily since we took ownership at 80km.

    At present there seems to have been several oil leaks recently, which have been fixed but one remains, and some moisture cleaned out of the coil pack housings (its presence unwarranted). The oil burning off of the engine block is polluting the air in the cabin, such that the heater must be turned off when the car is not moving.

    I love driving the passat and find its creature comfort, roominess, and economy difficult to find in other cars in equivalent classes. But I am concerned about the cost of maintaining this car over the next few years (at least three if I were to keep it).

    I would love to hear from others in my situation. Anyone out there also doing the long haul with their 1999 passats?
  • bhottlebhottle Member Posts: 16
    We just dumped a lemon of a 98 Volvo for a 2004 Passat W8 six speed wagon that we ordered back in October. We have had it a week tomorrow, so I will be checking this board for the experiences of others. For now, it has all of 170 miles on it, but I love the ride, response, and stability of the 4Motion system and the sport suspension. We are not young - I am a fit 62, but we sincerely hope the W8 is as worry free as my precious 66 Bug still is! It has the zip to be exhilirating and the grip on the road to be safe. And thank God that at least one manufacturer has the good sense to realize not everyone wants an automatic transmission!
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    That is a great car -- and probably the rarest of all Passats (W8, Wagon, AND Manual). And I thought my '04 1.8T Manual Wagon was rare!
  • bronsonbbronsonb Member Posts: 170
    We have TWO Passats as well - a 1999 Passat GLS V6 sedan and a 2003 Passat GLS wagon (1.8T). Although the wagon is "mine" my wife has been driving it lately since she's expecting our #2 son in April (and the wagon has more air bags than the 99 sedan). The sedan is paid off, so we plan to keep it unless it requires major repairs.

    The sedan has 73K miles on it, and up until last year, it had not required much in the way of repair. Last year, we spent a small fortune replacing the motor mounts and the transmission mounts as well as the axles (due to rotten CV boots). The car still isn't quite right, and just last year, we had an oil leak fixed that was, thankfully, covered by the 10 year powertrain warranty. VW had the car for 23 days. They fixed the leak quickly, but then they had problems with a cam tensioner and could not get it fixed. They gave us a rental car during the repair, so I was not upset, and in the end, they got it working.

    However, the throttle body is no longer being recognized by the computer, and that's a $600 repair. We've held off on that for the time being, so the car idles rough, but runs fine. We still have a shimmy that's related to some sort of suspension problem, and we're getting all of that looked at as soon as we have the time to get it into the shop.

    I figure even if it costs $1500 to get it fixed, it's still better than having a $400 car note...provided we don't have to spend $1500 every month on it. I like the car, but these will be our last Passats... they are just too expensive to maintain in the long term IMHO. Others may disagree, but having to pay $700 for brakes every two years is ridiculous.

    The wagon has been doing OK. It has 17K miles. The only problem it has right now is a vibration during braking - I believe the rotors are slightly warped, but we haven't had it in to have it looked at. It's not covered by the warranty though.

    Good luck with your Passats. I imagine they can last a long time - but they do need some TLC.
  • bhottlebhottle Member Posts: 16
    I hope VW officials read this board, because Their company is missing an opportunity. The W8 six speed wagon that we own has the best combination of European and American engineering. Americans love power, and Europeans love roadworthy handling. Are you listening, VW? Advertise this car. Even Consumer Reports describes the Passat as the best midsize choice. It is a delight to drive.
  • zmanzman Member Posts: 200
    I love 'em--won't drive an AT, and I have been growing increasingly distressed that the U.S. market has almost abandoned them completely in sectors other than compact economy and sports cars. I rejected the Passat Wagon two years ago because they did not have 4motion in the manny (sorry, tiptronic does not make the cut).

    The W8 looks great on paper, but it seems like you need an Act of Congress to get one (and unfortunately to afford one). Barry--bhottle--how'd you do it? Aside from waiting for 3 months, was there a hassle?

    I do note, however, that the 1.8t MT is going to be available with 4motion as a "delayed option." And they're more affordable for the masses. Excited, I inquired at my dealership; sadly, they could not tell me what delayed really means. My experience with VW (I own a '99 NB GLS 1.8t 5-speed) is that it will be later rather than sooner--see the 2005 Passat board. Anyone have any information on this model?

    All of which leads me to my real question: has anyone done a "fly and buy" deal to Europe? You know, fly over, buy for example the VW Passat W8 Wagon in the 6-speed and ship it back. I hear MT's are much easier to get across the pond. Plusses and minuses? Is there a separate board for this?

    Zman
  • cammlcamml Member Posts: 3
    I agree with your sentiments about manual transmissions.

    There is a bit of good news along these lines: at least one such Passat (2004 1.8t wagon / 5 speed manual / AWD) has been delivered in the Boston, MA area this month.

    I have ordered one that is scheduled for build this week and arrival here late Feb / early March.
  • zmanzman Member Posts: 200
    That's good news. They exist over here then. I may put in a request at several dealerships to see if I can get my hands on one for driving. One of my major concerns is that this is the same engine I have in my NB, which is fwd and about 800 pounds lighter, so I worry that it will be straining too much to do its job in the Passat--a test drive is in order.

    Zman
  • bhottlebhottle Member Posts: 16
    I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. The dealer search at vw.com turned up three dealers with 2003 W8 6 speed wagons. I emailed all three and visited the dealership whose sales rep seemed the most professional. He showed me the two wagons that he had (in colors we did not want) and let us take an extensive test drive in one of them. He then conducted a thorough dealer search and came up with no colors that we wanted, so we ordered one from him in October. He is as baffled/bemused as I am that VW doesn't advertise this car better. We ordered around 10 October and got the car on 16 January. The sales rep was very upfront with us. He hoped for delivery in late December and monitored progress, sending us emails about production, shipping (even the name of the ship), and delivery. The car actually came in a good 5 days earlier than he had hoped for in January when he realized the VW was pushing stock out the door before building custom orders. We wanted the Wheat Beige paint with the Beige interior, and as he said, very few people will order that combination. All in all, a decent car purchasing experience.
  • bhottlebhottle Member Posts: 16
    brubru - which mat did you buy? Mats for less sells several types We have a two week old Passat wagon and want a mat. We don't have dogs, but we do haul plants and supplies for the garden.
  • irish20irish20 Member Posts: 7
    I currently own an '02 GLS V6 auto and love it, but am considering an '04. Not sure whether or not to trade up to a GLX to get the V6, or stick with the GLS trim line. I tow some during the summer months.
    Is the 1.8T auto capable of handling it? I've also heard they're noisy at higher speeds and suffer from turbo lag. What's your experience? Also, is the AWD worth it? We live in Michigan where snow is a factor, especially right now! Thanks.
  • zmanzman Member Posts: 200
    Why is it that the 4-motion wagons have less headroom (in the front but not in the rear) than the FWD versions? Is it because the 4-motion drivetrain forces a raising of the interior front floor while the basic exterior shape remains the same?

    Zman
  • burrsrburrsr Member Posts: 255
    If you plan to get an auto tranny, I'd definitely trest drive the 1.8T before buying it to see if it suits your taste. IMO, the V6 is much better suited for an automatic, while the 1.8T is much better suited for a manual. Also, for 2004, the 4Motion system is available with the 1.8T for the first time in the Passat. I believe it will be offered only with an auto tranny, at least initially. If you live in MI and do some towing, you're probably better off with a 4Motion and auto tranny, in which case you now have a choice between engines. Test drive and see if the V6 is worth the premium (GLX over GLS), keeping in mind that it also includes some extra "goodies" standard as well (power seats, automatic climate control, leather, ESP, etc.).
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Are you sure about that? I know that the cargo room shrinks to accommodate the different rear axle and drive.

    Are you reading printed specs somewhere, or just based on your sitting in the cars? If the latter, was the seat fully in the "down" position? The seats have a pretty wide range of motion in the "up and down" direction.

    I can't imagine that the driveshaft to the rear would take away front headroom. they've already got that monster hump in the floor to accommodate that.
  • peggyloupeggylou Member Posts: 40
    Hi everyone - we test drove a GLS 1.8T wagon this weekend and loved it! Wheat beige with beige leather. Beautiful! But.. looking through these posts it seems like most of the happy campers are trading in every 2-3 years and getting newest models. I can't afford that, if I buy, the intent will be to keep and drive for close to 10 yrs at 15,000 mi/yr. Am I dreaming that this car can hold up that long without major repair? Anyone out there have a passat that they have kept long term and put lots of miles on?

    We had a Quantum 10 years ago and loved it until it started costing us $300 every two months for repairs. Finally just couldn't afford to keep fixing it, so got rid of it. I don't want to get into that same boat again. Any advice? Thanks a million in advance.
  • cosmo2cosmo2 Member Posts: 61
    We have a 1996 GLS 5-speed with the 2.0 engine. We purchased it new. It now has 104,000 miles on it, and we have replaced an alternator, a battery, a water pump, and oxygen sensors. Both the front and rear brakes have been replaced once. I consider all the above as normal wear. The only unexpected repair was an instrument cluster replacement at 67,000 miles. The body and interior look new with no rust, no wear, and nothing broken or rattling. It still gets 32 mpg at 70-75 mph and 35 mpg at 55 mph on regular gas. I keep shopping for its replacement, but so far nothing seems better enough to justify another monthly payment. Some Passats are lemons. Some Passats are jewels. (You can substitute most makes and models for "Passat" in the two previous sentences and the statements will remain true.) Good luck.
  • alyssazmomalyssazmom Member Posts: 142
    I have a 2003 Passat GLS Sedan and love it! I plan to keep it as long as possible (ahhh...no car payments...such a nice thought!). Based on the many many people I know who own VWs most have kept theirs either long term or know someone who had a VW for 100,000+ miles.

    Every car brand has lemons. I owned a 2002 Honda Civic EX Sedan. 100% reliable right? That's what I thought when I bought the Civic only to have 11 repairs in the first 4 months of ownership. 16 months later I traded it in for my Passat which has been near perfect.

    So even the most reliable brands have lemons. Go with what you enjoy driving and for peace of mind, buy the extended warranty (I didn't but don't regret it).

    good luck!

    Carrie
    ~2003 VW Passat GLS, 1.8T, Candy White, Beige Leather.
  • billbroxbillbrox Member Posts: 41
    Question: What are the various options we have with regard to setting the door locks so they can: NOT lock when the car travels faster than 8 miles an hour. 2)So the hatch (we have a W8 Wagon) lock UNLOCKS when the other door locks unlock.

    HELP!
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