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The W8 looks appealing, but at $39K - Ouch! Even with a $4K discount, I'm still looking at $35K.
Still, if you are looking for a bargain, probably the V6 fwd is the way to go. I test drove one today. It was nice, and had better p/u than an awd.
However, my wife and I have pretty much decided on the W8. It was a long journey. Even looked at a M-B e-class!
Now we just have to wait on the color and decide if we want the wagon or the sedan... probably the wagon. I have yet to compare the back seat of the wagon vs the sedan. Can anyone give their experience?
Playtpus, what is this you are saying about a $4k discount?
Kirk
FYI, 2003 money factors are HIGH, so I chose to purchase. Don't go looking for a good lease on 2003's quite yet. Anyone who wants details (San Diego area) can e-mail me.
Where I live, SF Bay Area, local dealers have started advertising $3500-$4000 off MSRP on 2002 Passats. Some of the ads reflect specific trim levels - "all W8s at $4000 off MSRP", and others are more general - "all remaining 2002 Passats at $3500 off. Over 40 in stock."
Seems like the dealers are making way for the '03 models. It's a great time to buy an '02 if you can find what you're looking for. These prices end up being $1000-$1500 below invoice.
Thanks
Dirito VW in Walnut Creek ran an ad in the Chronicle this weekend, listing all '02 Passats at $3500 off. It said they had over 40 in stock.
Finally, in post #943, the pearsonrj said that Stevens Creek VW advertised $4K off on '02 4MO wagons.
Lewis Volkswagen...We have ONE(1) 4MO Variant
for sale at that price...It is a GLS that is Beige/Beige Cloth, No Lux.Pkg.
A Very Rare and hard to find Variant...if you like
Mojave Beige with Beige Cloth...;)
Jackie
are both available in GLS...
Another question for you? Does Bob Lewis have any '02 V6 5-spd wagons available?
I'm looking for a 2002 or 2003 Passat GLX 4 motion wagon.
I'm looking at a 42 mo. lease. One dealer said .00245. But they may have selected vehicles at a lower rate.
Another said, all 2002 and 2003 leases are .0018 through the end of July.
Also, can anyone confirm that the 2003 GLX is the same price as the 2002.
Finally I'm interested in message 948 from Pacho indicating that some dealers are discounting Passats as much as $1500 below invoice. Any one else finding discounts like these?
FWIW, two different dealers in the DC area told me that NO '02 5-speed wagons are available *anywhere* in the US - there are only '03's for sale.
jackie
Sticker on my 2003 GLX wagon is "Total Price: $31,200" (includes destination charge).
The money factor offered to me for a 48 month/15K lease was .00315, so I purchased instead. That was the best they would offer, regardless of credit. 2002 money factors were around .0018. These numbers are from July 15.
via email...just click on *vwguild*...:)
I have driven all and while I'm partial to cars (I have an 02 S60 T5), the Volvo V40 is very nice. Excellent trubo power, very nice auto tranny, excellent seats and decent handling. Not too crazy about the interior design even though it is nicely finished. I admit the V40/S40 Town Hall sections have given me the willies, but the VW Passat thread haven't exactly been glowing either.
The Passat felt much bigger than the Volvo, especially the luggage space, their wheel wells are not in the way of the cargo area like in the V40. Also the seats, whie not Volvo, are very good also. The car has lousy pickup off the line, but once going has a very satisfying rush. What's with this car off the line...maybe the one I drove was not PDI'd or something but hammering the car off the line, the car does nothing to signify full throttle then it comes in a wallop. I thin it is the Tip gearing, because the Volvo literally bursts out of the gates. Any feedback?
Other than that, it handled better than the Volvo and felt like a nicer bigger vehicle. Price-wise they are dead ringers. So I am looking for owners of 2002/2003 to let me know of their cars and I am not going to put too much weight on what I read on these Boards which basically reflects 50 cars instead of the hundreds of thousands of Passats out there. The performance of the Tiptronic is my only real concern.
Thanks
That lag you mention in the Passat...it's the infamous 'drive by wire' lag, plus the 'tip' lag, if you were driving a tiptronic automatic gearbox. The car takes its time figuring out if you really want full throttle or not. Both can be corrected with aftermarket chips for the ECU and the AT.
You pretty much described exactly what the car is doing. It is not turbo lag, but almost as if the car si saying "what...full power? Give me a sec..." than it really goes.
Don't like chipping but thanks for the info...so they are all like that?
If the automatic you drove is anything like the tiptronic in my V6 Passat, the "learning" of the transmission/ECU could also be a factor. Who knows how the car was driven before you got in. Sure, the V6 does not behave like a turbo, but I think turbo lag is almost non-existent and is not a factor here. For example, a 1.8T Beetle automatic I drove for a couple of days did not have the problem you describe.
Perhaps you could take the car on an extended test drive, at least 5 - 10 minutes, and make sure you do a lot of quick starts with good throttle. See if the behavior changes.
I agree that the V40 should be compared with a Jetta, not a Passat. Also, to me it is a Mitsubishi built under Ford - it doesn't feel much like a Volvo to me.
- D.
The more practical advice might be to apply the throttle in a more linear motion, rather than slamming it down suddenly with your foot.
Or revert to the other cure for the common lag: "chip it!"
First, rear hatch would not lock electrically. Lock assembly replaced.
Second, turn signals slowly failed to work. Started by flashing only five or six times, then stopping, then went to one or two flashes before stopping. Eventually stopped completely. Was told flasher was bad. None in stock at dealer and had to wait three days to get replaced.
Third, since replacing flasher, noticed back lighting for window and lock switches on passenger side front door would illuminate after shutting off ignition and leaving doors unlocked. Locking doors caused lights to go off but would light again, shortly after unlocking doors.
This last problem just occurred and I have not yet called the dealer about it. Seems as though these lights are controlled by a processor and not the main headlight switch. Possibly the same processor also controls the flashing of the turn signals and the locking of the hatch.
Does anyone have access to the electrical system wiring diagrams?
Although paying cash, with no trade, I used a buying service and got the Pacific Blue w/ Beige interior for $38,850 tax, tag, title & transport included. That's the drive out price.
thanks
Is there a price difference for the 6-spd? How much does the sports package cost? What does it include? Any other options available? What are the gas mileage and 0-60 estimates?
Can someone either answer these questions for me or tell me where to look for the information? Thanks.
the Production Schedule a/o week # 31 for Tiptronics(July 29th). Production with the 6 speed does not commence until Nov. 4th( week#45)...I doubt your *Buying Service* will get
access to these cars, but if they do...good for you!!!
My car (we are keeping this one as the "beater") is a Saturn SW2 with the 4 cyl 1.9L engine, with a max of 124hp. It tows it just fine, and while not setting records going uphill, we use it for camping trips (we have two large dogs as well, adopted greyhounds) and hauling large items round-trip to my parent's house 600mi away.
While the V6 would be nice, I like the write-ups and opinions on the 1.8T 4, not to mention the mileage. Being a turbo-charged engine, I wanted to make sure their aren't bizarre restrictions on it, or that VW isn't a pain in the @$$ about it. I noticed that the don't offer any sort of "towing/tow prep" package, which prompted my question. I realize that I see dozens of turbo-charged diesel trucks every day towing trailers, but that system is designed for that purpose.
Thanks for your input! I can't wait to drive them. I've been lurking around the Town Hall for some time now, and decided to jump in.
For the record, we are replacing my wife's car, and considering the Toyota Highlander (yes, the tall Camry wagon), the Ford Explorer, and although my wife doesn't know it yet (snicker) the VW Passat 1.8T and the Volvo V70 base, although the latter and Explorer are at the very high end of our range. I figure I can lure her away from the SUV's if I focus on extremely comfy wagons that look cool. The nice wagons combine the best of mileage, style and image, capacity, and safety.
And yes, I do have a wagon obsession.
Two other cars you might consider at either end of your price spectrum. The Subaru Legacy "L". This is much more sedate looking than the Outback models, but has the same engine and drivetrain. It is about $18,000 equiped nearly like a Passat GL (no traction control, but it has ABS, and the usual power goodies). The other car is the SAAB 9-5 wagon. It is about $34,000 and comes with much more than Passat (leather, dual zone climate control, headlight washers etc.) SAAB reliability is above averae now, about the same as the Passat.
My father has a Passat w/ the 1.8t and manual tranny and loves it. He has a lifetime average of over 31 mpg, and gets close to 40 on long trips on slower (approx 60 mph) back roads. He has had it up to 142 mph (momentary lapse of judgement for an old man) so it has plenty of power, and it accelerats quite quickly. He has the 150 hp motor, so the 170 should be even better. He once drove it from VA to SD with a Sofa on the roof rack (it was wicker so it wasn't too heavy, but it sure caught a lot of wind). With a speed limit of 75 and going into prevailing winds the whole way, I am sure that put much more strain on the engine than a small trailer would - and he had no problems.
Invoice was 21538, leather 1325. Paid $700 over invoice. indigo blue with grey leather. Don't know if it was a deal - but needed a car and that is the one I wanted. Couldn't find a dealer to take less than that.
Want the grey velour interior, and preferably (but not necessarily) the Reflex Silver exterior.
Pittsburgh dealer said I would have to order it, with delivery in January. Would appreciate any contrary information.
the specs...
We are replacing my wife's useless (in my opinion, hehehe) Mitsubishi Eclipse GS. Talk about getting hammered on the trade, especially with Mitsu's special financing deals now to convince people to buy new ones. Therefore, we are selling it ourselves, and then hunting the for the VW after that. So much for instant gratification!
For comparison the 1.8t with the 5-speed is about 400 lbs lighter than a 4-mo automatic v-6.
Hope you're enjoying your car!
I also have checked w/ CarDirect but am waiting on their answer.
We really like the Passat wagon, but I'm trying to get away with saving a few bucks. I'm just a little nervous about the reliability of the Passat. I've owned Hondas in the past and they've been quite reliable. I've heard good things about the Passat's reliability - I just wanted to hear what you guys (and gals) thought.
Thanks in advance for any insights.