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Bob
Yes. I have pressed the AUTO down button until the window stops completely in the down position.
Any other suggestions? Perhaps the relay stopped working.
Bob
Has anyone noticed shaking from the front end when braking at higher speeds - like off an exit ramp? Feels almost like warped brake discs. Doesn't seen normal but wasn't sure if it is attributed to ABS or something. It has been so long since I have owned a car it may just be me!
Thanks!
-juice
Just thought I’d let everyone know that I’m now the owner of an Outback, picked it up yesterday. I’ve been reading these message boards for a month and have posted some questions and gotten great feedback, so I figured I’d share the news.
2002 Outback LL Bean Edition (Wintergreen)
Cargo Net
Premium Sound Package (6-disc in-dash CD and subwoofer w/amplifier)
Rough Road Package (acrylic hood deflector, rear differential protector, rear dust deflector)
Wheel Locks
The MSRP on this is $31,006.
Invoice price is $27,895.
I got it for $27,598 plus tax plus $90.50 for doc fees, tags, title and tire tax (I kept the tags from my trade-in and save $30).
Traded in my beat-up 91 Honda Accord for $1,200.
Got it from Wilkie Subaru in Philadelphia. I had gotten an offer from another place in Philly for a similar Outback (same except no Rough Road Package) for $27,848 ($100 over invoice) and the people at Wilkie said they’d beat any competing price by $250 (which they did) and then I got the Rough Road Package tossed in for free (after some haggling).
A couple of weeks ago, I almost got an LL Bean from Rye Ford/Subaru in Rye, NY (where my parents live) for $28,283 (and it didn’t have the RRP, wheel locks, or subwoofer/amplifier) and they were only giving my $450 for my Honda (it was having some mechanical problems at the time). Luckily, my dad saw it for the ripoff it was (this is the first time I’m buying a car) and I didn’t get it.
Thanks for the all the help, everyone. I’m totally digging the car, especially the wintergreen. Am looking to add a rear gate bar and maybe some window tinting (live in the city and don’t want people to see any crappy stuff I might have) in the future.
Tom
P.S. I'm posting this to both the dealer pricing and the outback board in the subaru section. Sorry to those of you who are reading it twice.
-juice
Tom: welcome aboard. I have been absolutely thrilled with my 02 LL Bean. About 3 months of ownership and 3500 miles so far. Really great car.
Craig
The window was pretty dirty, but I didn't expect it to immediately damage the tinting. Now there is a visible "track" mark about an inch wide running down the middle of the glass. I'm going to have the window looked at tomorrow at tomorrow's oil change/service, but I know they won't fix the tinting. All of my previous cars (not Subies) have been tinted and none have ever shown any wear after years of use.
Is this common with this model?
Jon
Sound like you may have a misadjusted guide in the window mechanism.
In my head, I thought "Agricultural inspection station" but I typed "toll booth." Long day at work I guess
Brian
I suppose you could loosen up the pads, but then the window glass would probably rattle.
Craig
On a side note, the dealer will not do anything about the tint or the window. Since it's not evena subaru product that you want them to fix. They'll probably take the tint off and say "look it works fine now"
-mike
At times they also do this at some airports.
-mike
Jillian
They have stations like that crossing the border from Belize into Guatemala, but for good reason. You can kill an entire crop if you bring in just one new species of insect.
-juice
if you look up the ll bean edition here on edmunds.com, it's listed in the options as the rough road group (L01). It's just 3 separate options that they packaged(the acrylic hood deflector, rear differential protector, and the rear dust deflector). The MSRP is $265, which is the same as the options added together separately. Even though i was thinking of getting the dust deflector added later, i told the guy that I didn't want/need that package and didn't think I should be paying for it (it was already on the car).
tom
The reason I ask is because the honda I traded in was having tons of problems in the last year or so (11 year old car) and I don't want to go and start paying through the roof again to keep it running and this warranty might help with that. Not that I'm expecting this OB to break down, but just a little concerned is all.
any feedback greatly appreciated.
thanks,
tom
I'd push for 70k or even 100k miles, though. For under $1000, IMHO it's worth it.
Put it this way - I could have purchased an extended warranty for that Mazda AND my Subaru, and been covered for several more years.
-juice
Any suggestions on obtaining equipment for a full analysis? Thanks!
Make sure when you change your oil that you check it on a level surface, to be sure it's really full. The boxer layout means even a slight incline messes up the oil level reading.
-juice
I have the gate bar and the rear spoiler. I also tinted the windows from the rear doors back. Now thinking about tinting the front door windows ,they are annoying when the sun is strong.
Sorry for the long post--luck to all----jack
99gs - I went to subaruwarranty.com. I don't drive my car to work and drive less than 10k miles a year, so I'm looking at the 6 year/60,000 mile plan, which I believe is the one that was quoted to me at Wilkie. My plan is to go back to wilkie and see if they'll beat any competing offers and then show that price list to them. If they don't and if I do get a warranty, it will be from that site. I haven't found any better on other sites.
Thanks,
Tom
Your story reminded me of our trip down Highway 1 (and 101) last year. We took our time, and of course the car sat out all night - getting nicely damp from coast fog - then getting a thorough dusting of highway grime the next day. By the time we got to San Francisco, putting down the driver's window elicited a loud scream from the car - accompanied by a couple of vertical streaks on the (outside, I think) window. Cleaning the window helped some, but only a thorough washing took care of the problem. Hasn't happened since.
And, yes, we got to have a "picnic" crossing from Oregon to California as one of my daughters had brought some grapes along from Seattle (which probably came from CA in the first place). Funny, they didn't say a thing about those crates of RPGs in the storage area!
Ken in Seattle
Craig
Ross
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Patti
-mike
True, we have a rear washer and wiper, but then your stuck having to wash the filth when you get home.
-juice
It also distinguishes between the Classic and Gold plan. Is there also a third plan that is called the Gold Plus plan or is that just another way to say Gold Plan (as in it's plus from Classic)?
Thanks,
Tom
Armac 13: nice to know there's another angler on board. I keep wondering if fly fishing might be a frequent profile of Subaru drivers, anyone else out there? I know of place where you can buy genuine L.L.Bean zingers for a buck each: could be a nifty accessory pinned to your sun visor. Tight lines and all that,
YetAnotherDave
-juice
It's not quite as good as the one I used to have on my old Dodge Aspen wagon, which had a flat rear window, but it's good enough. It does not take care of the edges very well. I think it improves the look of the car quite a bit, and it doesn't look like a tacky add-on as the black deflector does IMO.
James - my MY01 OB had a warped rotor when new. I noticed it on the test drive. They wanted to cut the rotors, but, I insisted on new ones since cutting them reduces the thickness for future cuts and thinner warps easier. They gave me new ones and cleaned up the rear. Great since.
I also have the rear gate bar. I would definitely get it again. Now I am wondering if I should get the rear deflector installed. Tired of dirty rear ends.
Greg
The genuine warranty is good throughout North America. Including Canada and Mexico.
I find the gate bar to be useful, when opening or closing the rear gate, the bar falls right to where your hand has a natural inclination to grab.
Also it is usually cleaner that the door,I would get it on any vehicle where it would fit.You can get it at, www.newsubaru.com,(LIBERTY SUBARU,1 888-SUBY4WD).They charged about $35.00+s&h.Installation time about 1/2 hour--easy.
As for the rear deflector, I had one on my 97 mountaineer, I thought it was a waste of money, saw no difference in the amount of dirt that drew to the rear window. I have the wing on the bean I feel it is somewhat effective in reducing the dirt factor, maybe about 50%, plus I like the look of it.It does tend to keep rain of of the rear window,when traveling at highway speeds.
You can get it also at ,LIBERTY SUBARU,It comes either painted or primed, the painted is a bit more expensive, but it is a perfect match to the factory color.It cost me $206.25, and the installation took me about 45 minutes, following the directions and being very careful.It's quite easy and no special tools are needed.
As for the firestones and the hunter balancer, these tires have about 3/32 runout,(according to the firestone dealer).He says firestone's tolerances are 4/32.He will ask the engineers if they want to take these back(I haven't gotten an answer from them yet--not holding my breath).
I don't think any balancer is going to make a difference, I had the same problem with my 97 mountaineer (they were balanced 3 times in 18000 miles) , and the problem was solved when ford did the right thing and bought them back and put a set of michelins on, I thought it was a different vehicle it rode so smooth.
Sorry for the long post again--luck to all--jack
Also, can you order it to be the same color as the car or is it a uniform color (like black).
Thanks,
Tom
I just checked out the subaruwarranty.com website as I've been thinking about adding an extended warranty eventually (have about 4700 miles on the odometer, so I don't need to rush ;-). The warranty offered appears to be the genuine Subaru warranty. According to their 'About Us' link the site is operated by Curry Subaru in Chicopee, Mass. There's something to be said for shopping online -- when I bought my 02 OBW from their sister dealership in Yorktown Heights, NY back in December the in person price for the 6year/100k Gold warranty was $1698 vs. the website's $1184. Sue Bee has been absolutely trouble free so far, but 100k miles without any problems is too much to ask even from Subaru...
Lyn
Patti
At night, I noticed about a 2 mm loss of black paint on the button, allowing the green light to shine through between the "A" and the "U". I rubbed it slightly, and more paint/black plastic came off, making the A and U connected by a bright green light when looking at the knob at night.
Now, I can live with this, and even cover the word "AUTO" with some black electrician's tape. I called the service dept and asked if they can just replace the knob, and he said they can't just pull out the climate control unit, they have to take apart the dash. I don't want to do this since the car is one of the most rattle free ones I've owned, and I'm sure that putting the dash back together risks a sloppy outcome. Anyone know if the knob can be pried/twisted off and replaced?
Thanks