Wonderful cars. The 86-91 S-Class is, IMO, one of the finest cars ever made by anyone ever at any price. Particularly the 560SEL. If I am not driving a Jag, I am driving an old S-Class, especially if it:
A) Has a CD PLayer
I'm going on a long trip.
However, it is a wonderful car hat can hide enormous problems. Have it checked over by a mercedes mechanic if possible, but here's what I would look out for:
That engine had better be quiet. Even while hot and idling at 5,000rpms (DONT hold it at those RPMs tho!)
Put it in reverse. It had better engage almost immediately. If it hesitates for a few seconds, then the clutch packs in the tranny are going south.
Is that timing chain quiet?
Does everything work? Sunroof? Air Conditioning? Does it blow ONLY through the center vents and isnt leaking out of the defrost vents?
They chew through tie-rods.
They eat tires and brakes
Watch for typical cosmetic problems. Sagging seat cushions (you sink down when ya sit in em) are typical and common.
ABS Works I hope?
If it passes those tests.. and no other obvious stuff, you may well have a good one. Just be afraid of a car that was $60K+ when new that's now worth 10-15% of that.
My question is: Is the market slow or is the price I'm asking for my '99 Volvo V70 GLT way too high? I have it advertised for $24500obo in several places and have only gotten luke warm response. This price compares VERY favorably with what dealers are asking for similar models. The car has 37K miles and is in excellent condition. It is not AWD but it has leather, traction control, roof rails, and a cargo cover. Also, what would be a fair trade-in value here in the Chicago area? Thanks for any input.
Any idea on a 98 Boxster, black/black/black, factory wheel/tire upgrade (17"), 5sp, mint condition, 10,000 miles. Knee deep, as you would say and spotless inside.
...... I love Volvo's, I have owned a bunch, sold a bunch and I'm always looking for em'... great vehicles.
If I'm reading this right ..It's a 99 V, with 37K with all the stuff.
These vehicles sell very well ... but you have to have it priced like a 99, not a 2000. Dealers can "certify" them ( HA..!)..and ask a bunch more $$, thinkin' there will be a trade ...
If this vehicle is super nice .. and super clean, they can be bought at the auctions for "around" the $19's --- If you want to sell it, it should be in the paper for $22,900 --must see, must sell. You will get $22, 3/4/5/6 ..and a ton of calls.
It's a lot easier, to be low in the paper and negotiate in small amounts, then be way high and get -0- calls, remember dealers have a lot of walk on traffic, thousands spent on ad's and a boat load of a customer base.
Put in a 5 liner in the biggest paper in the area...
....... Yeah, I was kinda thinkin' that myself..$30. but today was the 1st real cold day, 32 degree's and windy and almost snowing. So I thought to myself, hmmmm how close would it do "today" .. last week, a strong $30, at Hi Point NC, $30 and some change..
Fire Chief wants to know what his truck is worth. Its a 1998 Chevy K1500 reg cab, longbed, has a cap on it, auto, silverado pkg, pwr windows, locks, mirrors, white/gray cloth, very clean truck. The kicker is it has 90K on it. Soooo, what's it worth? I am thinking in the $11K zip code on trade......how close am I?
...... Hello my little Eskimo Queen ....well, is it a dsl ..? .. a 2wd..? .. how about a little info here --- I'm not driving up to Alaska to eye ball this puppy..l.o.l.
terry and bill: Thanks again for your recent trade figures on the '96 Intrepid ES. This week my brother traded it in on an Accord, and the whole process surprised him by its lack of contentiousness, something he had been dreading.
KBB, cars.com and this site had the Intrepid valued about $2k higher (67%!), so when lil' bro got to talking trade, he was not insulted when the salesman's numbers were in line with your estimates. They started at $3k, came up to $3.3k and bro accepted. He and his wife are now new-car owners, and they came out of the whole deal feeling they'd been fairly treated. If they'd believed the sites' numbers, they might have walked away from a decent deal (and still be stuck with the Dodge!)
That's the problem I have with kbb.com If you scroll up.. geez.. must be 200-400 or so posts by now there was someone who got all hot and bothered (And, hey, I dont blame em.. they didnt know the market and "everyone uses the blue book, right?") because they couldnt get more than like $9,500 or so on a FOcus that KBB said was worth a solid $1,000 or so over that.
Bill, Terry; thanks for the response. The car is dark blue/gree metallic with black leather and it does not have a sunroof. I will change the asking price to 22900 from 24500 asap and hope for the best. Bill, are you saying 18500-19000 trade-in or retail?
Hey man, wondering what I could get if i took my honda back to the dealer and wanted him to buy it back? Its white loaded, has 42k miles and is a 1998, also it is clean, few scratches one little dent in side of door, but rest of the 4 door is solid. Its a LX. Thanks buddy. Also i am wondering how accruate some of these numbers on edmunds are for resale and dealer sale prices? I was quoted 26K for a audi A4 wagon loaded, and said i would take it for around 25 or something like that. Then they pulled edmunds sheet and says its listed as a 28K car, but we'll give you it for 26K . I walked I know they didn't pay more than 23K for it and if they did they aren't going to screw me on the overallotment. Thanks and late.
How could I forget that stuff?? Ok its a 1998 Chevy K1500, 4WD, 5.7L V-8, silverado pkg, pwr windows, locks, mirrors, reg cab, longbed, has a cap on it (doesn't match), white/gray cloth.........and 90K on it. (ouch!!)
Boy, were I in a position to do so (and assuming that '99 V70 has the cold weather package) I'd be tempted to take the short jaunt over to Chicago myself...never did care much for sunroofs.
It might also help if i Told you it was a honda Civic. Also has the wholesale gone down on A4 Avants? I just checked Edmunds again for the used 1999 one and it quoted it at 3k less then a month ago? Have used cars been dropping that much? Anyway thanks for any help. Late
I just found this part of the board and this is a great site. I'm looking at trading in my 99 4runner sr5 4x4 which has all options except for fabric seats. It only has 15K miles. Body is in great shape and so is interior. Also added a top of the line Clifford alarm and real wood trim.
I'm looking at picking up either an Audi A4 or an Acura TL-S. Could I get about $20K for this. I paid about $29K and it stickers for $32K.
If dealers start to low ball me, I'll just suck it up and finance the new car.
........IF.. it's nice, clean and the body is all there -- new tires, shows and drives like it has 29,000 miles on it and the 4WD has no click, clicks ..it's worth "around" $8,5/$9ish (real money), maybe a little more in the land of the Midnight Sun ...Now, if it's needs this and that -- and the body looks like a Afghan bombing, start deducting..
....... I'm thinkin' that Honda Accord EX is worth a little more $$ than Bill's $4,000 - IF - it's super clean, all the sevice records, no collisions with Mcdonalds on the inside..or outside ... You know, -Nice- with new tires..!
It would do an easy $5,000 at the block ... but if it's got all the other "junk" going for it, then it would be closer to $4 ...
I just noticed that the TMVs for '98 LS400s went up about $2k. How'd you know this was going to happen? I'll have to see if the 2000 RLs went up too. Terry said they were a bit low.
Thanks for your comment on the tradein for the 99 4runner with 15K. Sorry for being ignorant, but what do you mean by on the block. Is this the wholesale auction? Do you think I can stretch for $21K or is that unrealistic? Would my trade in value be drastically reduced if I wait until Fall of 2002?
JOFO: We're talking about what they're doing at dealer auctions.. I forget off the top of my head where Terry hit it, but I seem to recall the $19Kish range.. $21K would then be unrealistic I am afraid.
...... If you need a transport, give Dennis or Mark a call at Express ... 1 800 405 0914 ..I'm not sure if they haul Vaxlegins, Vooneyloadens -- or whatever that thing is called ..l.o.l.
So hows your Holiday ..and of course, how's NJ ..? where actually are you staying ..?
....... Like Bill had mentioned, that $19/$19,500 figure would be a "wholesale" # ... that's what a dealer would put in the vehicle at trade time (depending on the dealer) ... but, that's what they can be bought for at the auctions ...
It's a Toyota, it's hard to say what it could be worth in 3/6/9 months -- I can only tell you ..Less. How much less I couldn't guess, thank goodness it's not a Exploder..l.o.l.
Comments
Wonderful cars. The 86-91 S-Class is, IMO, one of the finest cars ever made by anyone ever at any price. Particularly the 560SEL. If I am not driving a Jag, I am driving an old S-Class, especially if it:
A) Has a CD PLayer
However, it is a wonderful car hat can hide enormous problems. Have it checked over by a mercedes mechanic if possible, but here's what I would look out for:
That engine had better be quiet. Even while hot and idling at 5,000rpms (DONT hold it at those RPMs tho!)
Put it in reverse. It had better engage almost immediately. If it hesitates for a few seconds, then the clutch packs in the tranny are going south.
Is that timing chain quiet?
Does everything work? Sunroof? Air Conditioning? Does it blow ONLY through the center vents and isnt leaking out of the defrost vents?
They chew through tie-rods.
They eat tires and brakes
Watch for typical cosmetic problems. Sagging seat cushions (you sink down when ya sit in em) are typical and common.
ABS Works I hope?
If it passes those tests.. and no other obvious stuff, you may well have a good one. Just be afraid of a car that was $60K+ when new that's now worth 10-15% of that.
What do they want for this SEL?
Bill
Bill is right, $5,500/$6,000 at the block ...low mile vehicles are hard to find ..
Terry.
Any idea on a 98 Boxster, black/black/black, factory wheel/tire upgrade (17"), 5sp, mint condition, 10,000 miles. Knee deep, as you would say and spotless inside.
Located in Long Island, NY.
If I'm reading this right ..It's a 99 V, with 37K with all the stuff.
These vehicles sell very well ... but you have to have it priced like a 99, not a 2000. Dealers can "certify" them ( HA..!)..and ask a bunch more $$, thinkin' there will be a trade ...
If this vehicle is super nice .. and super clean, they can be bought at the auctions for "around" the $19's --- If you want to sell it, it should be in the paper for $22,900 --must see, must sell. You will get $22, 3/4/5/6 ..and a ton of calls.
It's a lot easier, to be low in the paper and negotiate in small amounts, then be way high and get -0- calls, remember dealers have a lot of walk on traffic, thousands spent on ad's and a boat load of a customer base.
Put in a 5 liner in the biggest paper in the area...
I hope this help's ...
Terry.
This vehicle .. If.. it stands tall, looks like a 2001, will do close to $29 at the Manheim, and on the Retail side, "around" $31/$32ish..
Good luck..
Terry.
I agree with Terry.. If anything I'm gonna be closer to $18,500-19,000..
$24K is pretty optimistic IMO. That's more than a store I used to work at is advertising them for.
Also.. what color? And.. tell me it has a Sunroof.. PLEASE!
Bill
I thought the same thing on that Boxster!
"I betcha if I saw this thing at Manheim it'd do damn near $30K"
$29K all day long with no miles and the right options (Some leather, HiFi Audio.. maybe some little aluminum bits inside it)
$31-32K private party, but I dont think ya'd be able to prise it from a dealer for $31K myself.. but you never know..
Bill
ps -- How's the Benz doing ..?
Terry.
SHoot me a mail.. crap.. call me if ya get a chance. Need an XK8 if ya have 1
How was Manheim today?
Bill
In NJ For the holidays..
Terry.
Thanks again for your recent trade figures on the '96 Intrepid ES. This week my brother traded it in on an Accord, and the whole process surprised him by its lack of contentiousness, something he had been dreading.
KBB, cars.com and this site had the Intrepid valued about $2k higher (67%!), so when lil' bro got to talking trade, he was not insulted when the salesman's numbers were in line with your estimates. They started at $3k, came up to $3.3k and bro accepted. He and his wife are now new-car owners, and they came out of the whole deal feeling they'd been fairly treated. If they'd believed the sites' numbers, they might have walked away from a decent deal (and still be stuck with the Dodge!)
Season's Greetings to you and yours.
-ss4
Sounds like they did well.
That's the problem I have with kbb.com If you scroll up.. geez.. must be 200-400 or so posts by now there was someone who got all hot and bothered (And, hey, I dont blame em.. they didnt know the market and "everyone uses the blue book, right?") because they couldnt get more than like $9,500 or so on a FOcus that KBB said was worth a solid $1,000 or so over that.
Problem is, it was a $9,000 car!
Happy Holidays to you too!
Bill
Another question: What would these two cars be worth.
1. 2001 Kia Rio, automatic, AC, cass., PS, 27,251 miles
2. 1997 Cavalier base 4-door, auto., AC, cass., 127K miles, damaged left front fender (door sticks).
Thanks and Happy Holidays!
Clean condition.
As trade-ins?
1) 2001 Kia: Geez.. a lot of miles and Kias.. well.. Kias dont hold value too well I'm afraid..
Expect $4,000 or so on trade.
The Chevy? Its a $1,000-1,500 car clean.. so.. Geez.. $500 if that?
Bill
No sunroof?
Youre not gonna like me now..
That is a solid $1,000 deduct, maybe more.
$18,500-19K was wholesale.. but that assumed a moonroof.. And COld Weather Pkg in Chicago.
Color combo isnt great.. but not bad. I'd say $17,500 as it sits (Silver with a roof closer to $19K++)
Bill
$4K wholesale give or take.. Miles are nothing.
Bill
I just found this part of the board and this is a great site. I'm looking at trading in my 99 4runner sr5 4x4 which has all options except for fabric seats. It only has 15K miles. Body is in great shape and so is interior. Also added a top of the line Clifford alarm and real wood trim.
I'm looking at picking up either an Audi A4 or an Acura TL-S. Could I get about $20K for this. I paid about $29K and it stickers for $32K.
If dealers start to low ball me, I'll just suck it up and finance the new car.
Thanks!
2001 X5 3.0i
Automatic
Sport Package
Navigation system
Xeon Headlamps
Climate Package
Premium Package
It is in silver color and gray leather. The car had 3000 miles and is in S. Calfornia.
Thanks
This one would do around $39ish at the block, and on the retail side probably $42/$43,000..
I hope this helps..
Terry.
Merry Xmas ..
Terry.
This will do $19/$19,500 all day long at the block ... so, you my friend are in gooood shape..!
Happy Holidays ..
Terry.
It would do an easy $5,000 at the block ... but if it's got all the other "junk" going for it, then it would be closer to $4 ...
Merry Xmas ...
Terry.
Market is juuust about to improve from where I sit.
Weird thing to me are the Hondas, they have gone quite soft down here..
Bill
To all of you (Except Mr Whale)
Bill
Terry.
Happy holidays everyone.
Quentin
Thanks!
JOFO
JOFO: We're talking about what they're doing at dealer auctions.. I forget off the top of my head where Terry hit it, but I seem to recall the $19Kish range.. $21K would then be unrealistic I am afraid.
Bill
Yesterday I was in Indianapolice & I saw a plate "Oldest Honda dealer in the Country" :-)
Happy Holidays ...
Terry.
Sort of like my Carma ran over my Dogma.. etc..
Im up here freezing my tuckus off tho and recovering from too much holiday cheer last night! haha
Happy hols to you too!
Bill
Proof: "Tyres"
Bill
You still in at $5,000? I got it =D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=599143092&r=0&t=0
BTW, Know of a Hauler who can get it down to FL? Its' inop..
Bill
:-)
-Dave, who should have picked up that '86 Saab
No! Really?!
:-)
So hows your Holiday ..and of course, how's NJ ..? where actually are you staying ..?
Terry.
It's a Toyota, it's hard to say what it could be worth in 3/6/9 months -- I can only tell you ..Less. How much less I couldn't guess, thank goodness it's not a Exploder..l.o.l.
Happy Holidays ....
Terry.
Quentin
Merry Christmas to all.
- - Bret - -
(who wishes he bought that '86 Saab too)