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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005
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Just received the first brochure on the new Malibu, which admittedly haven't had a chance to go through it in detail yet, but it's diasappointing. Will post comments on that in a few minutes in that discussion forum. I probably should log on to Pontiac.com and get the brochure on the new GP as well.
Keep it coming "guys".
It was shifting really hard between each gear. It has 45,000 miles on it. I don't know if the tranny fluid was ever changed, but I've begun to have the tranny fluid flushed every 30,000 miles on all of my cars.
The car has had a couple of interior water leaks and the interior door panels (2 of them) are practically falling off.
It is a sharp car and runs well.
The supercharged version is predictably stronger and shouldn't be affected by the thinner atmosphere, but even it runs out of puff at much over 4500 rpm." <<<
Regfootball, I disagree, it is 240hp @ 5200rpm... all the way to 5 it is pretty powefull. Doesn't matter...the GTP does 0-60 mph in 6.8 seconds from the factory before mods. Which is still fast when you consider that an automatic V6 Altima takes 7.3 seconds and the new Honda Accord V6 automatic takes 7.0 seconds. and they all have the same 240 horse rating. The accord benefits from a 5spd auto and still can't beat the GTP which only has a 4spd auto.
I will agree that the engine is noisy...but like you said some of that is Pontiac's custom exhaust note. I like the idle from outside, not bad for a factory exhaust. sounds better at idle then a V6 altima or V6 accord.. that is for sure !!
I like the 3.5L VQ motor's exhaust note.. The 3.0L Accord motor sounds typical sewing machine though.
I'm talking about a stock factory GTP, vs a Stock Factory, Accord V6, Maxima or Altima V6..with auto tranny. The blower on the GTP is stock from the factory and included in the purchase price of the vehicle...
You are right, if you put a blower on the Accord V6 or Max it would beat the GTP.. no doubt. But then we aren't comparing the same thing... because now the Max and Accord would be MODDED. The GTP tranny and engine were designed for the stress of a blower, the Max and Accord were not.
Furthermore, how much would it cost to put a blower on a Maxima or Accord? Probably $3k+...Their auto transmission's wouldn't be able to take it for too long without mods and by adding a blower you just voided the warranty on your max or accord.
By the time the blower and associated band aid engineering items have been added to the simple motor is has become bigger, heavier and more expensive than the non-blown. What is the advantage then?
Why not put a shortstar in the car AND put a blower on it then, if you want TRUE performance? The Grand Prix would be that much better if they had done that.
I bought a 2002 GTP coupe loaded to replace my 1997 in September. I was honestly considering a V6 Altima loaded... MSRP on the GTP was $28k.. MSRP on the Altima was $28 or $29k. The GTP coupe's don't exist anymore and was a leftover in Sept with the 03's just coming in. I got $3k off the MSRP and the $3k rebate...
Bottom line, I paid $22k for the GTP which MSRP at $28k
The lowest The 5 dif nissan dealers would go was $27k. I got the GTP for $5k less then the Altima..
As for the shortstar with a blower? It is already an unreliable engine, compared to the bulletproff 3800... that would cost GM alot to supercharge, it's not going to happen,
They introduced the 3800 series III with 260 horse for 2004.
Where did you get the % info? What % of the Grand Prix's were coupes? And % were supercharged coupes? Just curious.. 2002 was the last yr
The Nissan 3.5L VQ and the 3.0L VQ last made in 2001 have a nice exhaust note under hard throttle. Both on wards top 10 engine list, just like GM's 3800 S/C. I love the note on my 2001 I30t. Only thing I don't like is that there is NO low end power...compared to my GTP. Once you hit 3000rpm watch out. Very nice. I still like the drivetrain better in my GTP though...
And don't even mention specific HP, because nobody buys that, only net HP, doesn't matter how it's achieved. As long as it fits one's budget, I think that no one could care less how they come into being.
The fact of the matter is that 5% of GP (the blown ones) leave 5% of both Honda and Nissan (the V6 ones) in their dust. Period. Interestingly enough, the remaining 95% of GP (the NA V6 ones) also leave the remaining 95% of both Honda and Nissan (the I4 ones) in their dust.
;-)
I loved Pontiac's slogan for the GP: "because a car should have more cylinders than seating capacity."One can say anything about the Buick V6 and about Honda's and Nissan's V6s, but he cannot ignore that the GM powerplant delivers. And for much less money, both out of the door and at the pump (should I mention insurance premiums too?).
As for the Accord's 5-speed automatic, the extra gear is probably to blame for those 0.2s less than the 4-speed GP... Whenever there's a gear to change, it's an instant when the wheels get no power.
I can honestly say that the choice of the GTP vs. Camcord/Nissan is fruitless. The 3.8L blown engine combined with the seamelss GM auto, bests the performance of any of the other cars drivetrains.
Yes, useable power drops at anything above 5k RPM with the GTP, but by the time you hit that RPM, you are travelling at a very high rate of speed if you hit it in every gear (and all the other cars are still catching up.
For $22K (after rebates and negotiation) the GTP is a screaming bargain. It's reliable as anything else out there.
I wish I still had the car.
I may fix that soon.
The 04's are coming! The 04's are coming!
(Just a little matter of deciding between it and a Mazda6...and yes, I DO know I am weird!
Where were Nissan and Honda back then? 160-195HP?
So finally Nissan and Honda finally catch up with HP numbers, and still they can't outrun the GTP, even with the help of their "superior" engine technology and 5-speed auto tranny.
And to make matters worse Honda's auto tranny can't even handle the power (my TL-S tranny broke at 6,100 miles)
P.S. Yeah, if you slap a blower on the Altima, it will be faster. It will probably be able to do 0-60 in 6.6 seconds with auto tranny. That's what GTP did back in 1996.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/amaximeya/lst?.dir=/we+got+a+2004+Gran- - d+Prix+for+3+months&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done- - =http%3a//photos.yahoo.com
if ya got any qestions or want more detailed pics let me know. I gotta try and sell this car so GM gives my dad a bigger bonus this year
http://photos.yahoo.com/amulay2003
Great pictures by the way!
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Those multi-colored cloth inserts on the seats looks kind of tacky. If I order one, I'll probably get the leather even though it's not as comfortable to me in the extreme weather.
The local dealers keep saying "they'll be arriving next week" for a few weeks now. I'm getting antsy for a new car, I'm also considering the Accord. The Accord is a nice car, especially it's interior, but I hate to not take advantage of my GM Card rebate points and GMS pricing I can get.
Since your dad works for GM, do you know if dealers will be doing the GMO or GMS pricing right away?
Thanks.
http://photos.yahoo.com/amulay2003
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Plus, I agree, there is no way I am putting a real estate agent and a lawyer in that back seat for a 100 mile trip. No way.
Guess I better call up the Mazda dealer and make an appointment.