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Audi A6



  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    We're leaving for a family vacation tomorrow, and will be towing a 2200 lb. boat plus carrying lots of "stuff" in the rear. With the extra weight I've inflated the allroad tires to 42 front and 45 rear. Normally I run 38 lbs front and back which seems to work about right for this car.
  • mariobgoodemariobgoode Posts: 114
    To JBaumgart: What is the max towing capacity of the Allroad? I have a 19-ft boat that weighs like 4000 lbs, and I'm considering getting a replacement for my SUV. I was hoping the Allroad can take its place.
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    The allroad is rated at just 3300 lbs (with trailer brakes) and 1650 without, which is conservative I think because the brakes are up to the task. I regularly tow 2000-2200 lbs without trailer brakes with no problems. However at 4000 lbs I think you need more of a truck frame as you would be really pushing it with the allroad or any car-based SUV.
  • rpiercemdrpiercemd Posts: 2
    I'm having a "heart vs head" issue here. I am new to Audi but have been smitten by two, a 2002 auto 2.7T A6 (preferred, conv packages), and a "new" manual 2001 (never titled) 2.7T S4 with <500 miles on it. Have driven both, heart goes for S4, head for A6. Dealwise, no question, can get S4 for $36 K, and that is without bargaining (yet to come). Rear seat space is issue, but not major one. Certainly the A6 is not as much fun to drive, but no slouch either.
    Does anyone have any comments on reliability, holding value, etc., which may sway me a little more one way than the other?
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,404
    ...S4 the old body design? If so, I'd definitely go for the 2002 A6. Even though the S4 you describe is nice, you'll take a financial beating on it, and it's not the latest body style.

    As far as "never titled" is concerned with regard to the S4, it's still a used car except you pay more taxes than used.....
  • nofeernofeer Posts: 381
    My wife likes the audi a6, will test drive one as soon as i get a chance. What's new for '03? HAs anyone had the navigation system? What about the 3.0 vs the 2.7T what options make sense? We'll definitly get "quattro", but interested in your opinion for options.
  • dtwleungnycdtwleungnyc Posts: 188
    The 2.7T definitely goes faster than the 3.0. But the 3.0 is no slough either. Depends on where you live, you might think about the sports package. But, you will need a separate set of rims and tires for the winter with this setup(especially if you get snow where you live). The xenon headlights is a must, IMHO. The navigation system is too pricey for what it offers. Hope this helps.
  • kvsm3kvsm3 Posts: 32
    If you want room, go for the A6 but if you want a little bit more speed and dont mind driving the old body style, go for the S4.
    I know where I live in DC, there are great lease deals on A6 2.7t, $429 a month for 39 months, 3K down, which I think is a pretty good deal.
    the body style of the S4(2000-2002) is different from the 2002 A4. The 2002 S4 is out of production now. A new S4 will be coming out in late 2003 as a 2004 model and I have heard from magazines, that it might be powered by a 370 HP V8. I have also heard an RS6 which has been confirmed by several Audi dealers is coming next year. RS6 is based on A6 but will have a 450 HP twin turbo V8. an RS4 (based on current A4) is rumored to arrive as well.
    But anyway, it all depends on what u really want.
    if you want the current style, more room, more spacious trunk, go for the A6 2.7 T.
    36K seems like a pretty good deal on an S4 with less than 500 miles. Again realize the S4 is based on old Audi A4 style and is now out of production. You could be lucky to find some in stock and get a real good deal on the 2002s.
  • nofeernofeer Posts: 381
    for resale value which to consider
    3.0 vs 2.7t?
    what would be a great price now (amount over invoice for a left over 02.

    Should i wait for the o3, and compare to new vehicles.

    what's the usual discout during the year.
  • jmezzjmezz Posts: 36
    can anyone offer help on a6, 3.0 on 36-39 lease. zero cap cost, just inceptions, 15k yr. is it possible to lease for no more than 500/mo tax included

  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    The residuals on both the 2.7T and 3.0 aren't great. Both A6's and A8's haven't had good residuals. I don't know about the A4. The A8 has been particularly bad, which has made its price when used attractive. I'd check the used prices here at Edmunds to get an idea of residuals. The 2.8 residuals should be similar to the 3.0.

    I haven't heard reports on '03 spec. changes, but rumor has been that they won't be significant. But it is likely that '03 MSRP pricing will be more aggressive, but accompanied by a reduction in features. It could be that the actual sale prices wont' change too much though, as dealer mark-up has been around $3.5K to $5K. If the margins are any smaller, I doubt you'll see a sale price reduction that corresponds with any lower MSRP. But still, since this is likely the last year for the current A6, and demand is declining, dealers will have to make deals to push them out the door.

    End of model year pricing should be very aggressive, but sometimes isn't. It depends on the dealer's inventory and demand. This late in the model year, I think a fair deal would be $500 to $1,000 over dealer invoice. In the past, sale prices have tended to be higher at the beginning of a model year. Good, aggressive pricing has averaged $1,000 to $2,000 over dealer invoice during most model years.

    To get an A6 3.0 with quattro and other assorted goodies for $500 a month on 36-39 mo. with zero down would probably be a little tough, UNLESS AoA has an incentive program, which they have had at least once, and sometimes more often during a model year. As this is likely the last year of the current A6, I wouldn't be surprised to see incentives. This past model year, the West Coast was having a 12k, zero down on the 2.7T for under $500!

    If you like the less expensive FWD CVT, I think you should be able to find a deal for around $500 at some point.
  • kvsm3kvsm3 Posts: 32
    In the Washington Post, an Audi dealer in Maryland, I believe its Rockville Audi is having lease specials on A6 3.0 and A6 2.7 T. With 3K or 3500 down, the A6 is $399 a month for 42 months, and the A6 2.7T is $429 a month.
    These prices exclude taxes. I think these seem like good deals.
  • nofeernofeer Posts: 381
    When do the "03 come out. If i don't get a good price or the pkg i like, i may just wait and order.
    my dealer is offering
    39/39k miles i believe 2k down for 399/ month with
    3.0 quattro, conven and premium pkg msrp $40, 245 this was up to 5/31 but continuing now. they have quite a few on their lots. THey tell me this is a subsized lease by audi apr close to 2%.

    Is the down payment negotiable? has anyone had success cutting down this down payment (cap cost reduction)

    also the redisgn a6 '04 will have a screen dvd NAV system.
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    They should be in the showrooms any time between the end of this month and September. AoA is not consistent in this regard. I've read that dealers already have '03 specs, but getting them to share them is another thing. I expect these new specs should make their way here or the AudiWorld board within the next month. I also suspect that if you wanted to order a car at this point, rather than buying it off the lot, the dealer would be ordering an '03, and would need to divulge it's spec's in order to accomplish this.

    Is the cash down negotiable? Yes, and no. Everything's negotiable, but if this is an AoA incented plan, and it may or may not be, they usually have fixed components. I believe that lessors must now divulge the APR upon request.

    However, if you get rid of a cap reduction, this will get rolled into the cap cost and the monthly payment will increase. Also, with just 12K miles a year, I'd check the cost of extra miles. Acquisition and disquisition charges are B.S., and should be negotiated out of the lease. My current lease through a credit union required only $100 up front. No month in advance, etc.
  • tmanlawtmanlaw Posts: 17
    I have seen a lot a discussion on extended warranties on this Board, and have a question. I have a 2001 A6 2.7T that I have owned for 16 months. I have just under 12,000 miles and so far the car has been an absolute pleasure to drive and trouble free. I expect that I will keep it for another 3-5 years, but then again, maybe not. An extended warranty (to 7 years and 85,000 miles), covering just about everything, bumper to bumper, is offered by my dealer while I still have fewer than 12,000 miles for $2,500 ($100 deductible). Should I do it? If so, is this a competitive price, or should I shop elswehere for an extended warranty?
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    Sounds high, though I haven't done specific comparisons. Also, I've most often read of 7/100K, so I wonder about 7/85K. That's only 35K beyond the initial warranty. I also wouldn't assume that the warranty the dealer sells is better or even necessarily as good as a 3rd party warranty, unless I actually compared them. IMHO, inclusive warranties are pretty useless, so it really depends on what's excluded. I.e., the less, the better. Even if I did end up purchasing one from a dealer, I'd want to do due diligence via some research, and I'd probably start at Google
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    The coverage sounds OK, just a "wee bit" high. However, if you really are going to keep the car, I would get the extra protection. One repair could justify this expense. I would try to go to 100K miles, however.

    Is this an "official" Audi warranty?

    I have seen official Audi of America warranties and they generally extend the Audi Advantage (fully) by 25K miles no deduct and service is included -- as I said a 50% extension of the Audi Advantage.
  • bondguy1bondguy1 Posts: 228
    If you look at the national AOA deals, they are running an A6 3.0 CVT with the Preferred Package (leather, sunroof), with a total at inception of @ $3,800 including first month, tax and tag for $399/month for 39 months with 10,000 miles/annually. I got mine back in March. At the time, you could get this same equipped car for $469/month with total at start including 1st month, tax and tag of $1,000 (total outlay) and 39 months with 15K miles/annually. I added Premium Package and Convenience Package, 39K miles, $1,000 at start total, and payment went up to $497/month plus tax. Car listed for $39,945. It is a FWD car, not Quattro. I heard that for 2003, they are going to have what seems to be better prices but some standard items will now be extra charge. Not sure if this is correct though. The most competitive pricing was at a dealer in Miami called "Prestige Motors" but don't buy it there...Go to Champion Motors in Pompano. Much nicer place to deal with and they will match the price of other dealers. I don't know where you live but at least you can use these dealers to get an aggressive price to compare.
  • tubeytubey Posts: 39
    I've noted this info here before, but always glad to help out.

    I bought one through my broker (who got the car for me) when the car was a year old and had less than 12k on the odo. It's exclusionary, but the exclusions are the logical ones (consumables, etc.). Got it from Heritage, a GE Capital company. 7yrs/100k. Including surcharge for AWD and zero deductible, paid $1,550. Reading through it it's virtually a clone of the Audi Advantage warranty, except that it wouldn't cover brakes, wiper blades, and light bulbs like the AA does. Also, there's a full money back provision if you don't use it. Which, with an Audi, will be highly improbable.

    Good luck.
  • tmanlawtmanlaw Posts: 17
    Thanks to all who replied. The extended warranty offered by my dealer (University Audi in Seattle) is through a third party vendor. They claim not to be aware of any "official" Audi extended warranty for new cars, although they do have "Official Audi" extended warranties for used cars that they sell. The new car warranty seems to be very complete, excluding service and consumables, but covering just about everything else. For anyone interested, I'll post the name of the third party vendor tomorrow (I don't have it with me at the office). Has anyone heard of an "official" Audi new car extended warranty from Audi?
  • kennyg5kennyg5 Posts: 360
    I suppose the warranty is only honored by the dealer who sold it and you cannot take your car to another Audi dealer and expect that dealer to also honor it. If that is correct, the warranty will only be good so long as the dealer remains in business. Unless the dealer has been around for a long time and has a good reputation, I would be hesitant in buying an extended warranty, which takes effect only after several years of new car ownership. I am not sure how a third party warranty works. Is it only good for a particular dealership?
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    I'd read somewhere that the extended warranties sold by Audi and others are underwritten by Warrantech. I'm surprised that your dealer has told you they know nothing of extended warranties for new cars, most won't let you out the door without pitching it.

    It's a big world. Take a look:

  • nofeernofeer Posts: 381
    02 red/beige 3.0 quattro with conv pkg, lux pkg,bose , ONSTAR, everything but nav

    2K DOWN
    aquistion fee 500
    apr <1.9%
    What do you think

    Since no significan changes for 03, felt this is a reasonable alternative for an SUV for my wife.

    If this is good, do i include the taxes in the lease payment or pay up front?
  • tubeytubey Posts: 39
    I don't know about your state, but in Washington state the taxes are added to each lease payment.
  • rdachillerdachille Posts: 3
    The local dealer says the 03 models will not be arriving until October. Could this possibly be true?
  • theremintheremin Posts: 26
    I'm nearing the end of my 3-year lease on a 2.8 quattro. I've really liked the car (relative lack of get-up-and-go notwithstanding) and am leaning toward getting another--here's what I want and what I can afford:

    A6 2.7T
    Conv. package
    Lux. package
    Sport package (or just the 17" wheels)
    3 year lease
    15K miles/year
    $3K drive off (or less)
    $499/mo incl tax (or less)

    Does this sound doable? Has anybody gotten a similar deal? Would I have to eliminate something (conv. pkg for example)? Thanks for any input.
  • audibleaudible Posts: 2
    I have gone through many of the previous posts and wish I had any one of those problems. What I have is what I thought was complete urban myth.

    The water pump seized on my 2000 A6 2.7T at 60,000 miles (10,000 over warranty) which caused the timing belt to "come off". Which, as you experts know, in a zero clearance engine causes, if your lucky, bent valves. In my case, I have ruined pistons, crushed valves, split heads and ruined turbo chargers.

    The dealership diagnosed the problem just from a brief roadside description as the car was being hauled away. Initial estimate was $6,000.

    Further investigation revealed the ruined turbo's bringing the total cost to $17,000 (Anybody have a roll of TUMS?)

    Insurance won't cover it, AoA is reviewing and the dealer is sitting on it because he knows I won't (can't)pay.

    Has this happened to anyone else? Will Audi come to my rescue? Absolutely love the car, but declaring bankruptcy seems like my only option...and yes, I would recommend the extended warranty.
  • tmanlawtmanlaw Posts: 17
    The extended warranty offered by University Audi in Seattle is "RepairMaster" by Warrantech (Note to Timcar: What you have read is apparently correct.) It was offered to me at the time of sale, but after having just shelled out almost $42,000 before taxes, I wasn't interested in spending any more money at that time. I also wasn't sure then how long I would keep the car. Since I now think that I may keep the car beyond four years, the extended warranty has become a must, based on what I have seen on this Board(e.g. post #2877). Its kind of like major medical--there more for catastrophic loss (like the turbos or tranny) than the small stuff. Readers of this Board have also suggested other third-party vendors for me to check out. I'll report back on the best deal I find. Thanks to all who responded.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,586 need to stop off at costco and pick up an economy size jar of vasoline! AofA isn't just going to roll over and authorize this reapir for you. You need to take an active role and strat calling and writing letters to AofA until you get the result you're looking for.

    Ouch...all that engine work! Sorry buddy. Wish I could help you out!

    Mark to the rescue?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    I'm very sorry to learn about your problem. In over two years of reading the Audi boards, I haven't heard of this before, or anything this bad. I only hope that AoA can demonstrate some exceptional consideration in your case. I don't think they have any legal obligation, but it sure would be great PR if they could help you out. If you don't get a positive response to the inquiries you've already made, I would seek further attention. Mark once posted the name and, I think, the number of a woman who was in charge of customer satisfaction. She would probably be a good person to address a further request to.

    While it would be wonderful if AoA would cover the whole deal, even some substantial help might get you over the hump. That $17K must contain a substantial portion of profit on both the dealer (labor) and AoA (parts) side. Maybe if everyone could give a little, you might get a painful but survivable number.

    The only other option I can think of is seeing if you can find an independent Audi shop that can do the work. I'm sure the number would still be very big, but it would have to be less than what you're looking at.

    You may also want to try visiting AudiWorld. I don't know that anyone can help you on the A6 board, but I've read of many more reported failures of one type or another on the S4 board. Maybe someone there can give you better information.

    I hope this works out for you.
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