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Hyundai Sonata 2005 and earlier



  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Wow! You get 25 in the city and 32 on the highway?? You have given me high hopes for my 03 Tiburon V6. My first tank yielded 20.5 but my second tank saw a big improvement to 23.5 mpg in all city driving. I thought I was doing good, but you have me beat! If my Tiburon gets anywhere near your mileage, I will be extremely happy. What do you think of the shift quality of your automatic? Mine is a little clunky shifting at times and can get a little confused at light throttle but for the most part is smooth.
  • mockymocky Posts: 1
    What should I expect from 2000 Sonata (4 cyl, auto, moonroof, CD-player) with 69,000 miles on it. It seems to be in good condition. Does it worth $5,500? Thanks!!! :-)))
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    Ingtonge, the biggest problem with the Tiburon is that it BEGS to be driven hard. <grin> You didn't mention how many miles you have on yours, so I don't know how far along it is in its break-in. There's no dry weight spec given for the Tiburons in the brochure, so I can't directly relate your car's weight to mine, However, the Tiburon brochure does list a 0-60 mph acceleration timing at 7.1 sec. (manual tranny). Consumer Guide's current "2003 Automobile Buying Guide" lists a 0-60 mph timing at 7.8 sec for the Sonata V6 (automatic) in their editors' testing. Given that an automatic tranny will exact a few tenths of a sec. penalty, my Kentucky Windage guess would be that if driven moderately, your Tiburon should do at least as well as my Sonata once well broken in. Your initial and subsequent calculated mileages were in line with what I experienced. My city driving is within posted speed limits. My highway driving is with the cruise control set at 70 mph. The Hyundai automatic transmission is -mostly- very smooth in my car. However the first 2-3 upshift when initially under way cold is usually abrupt in mine. Thereafter it settles in mostly buttery smooth for all ranges. Gentle acceleration, particularly up any type of grade, -may- also result in a bit less smoothness for any upshift. It hasn't gotten any worse, so I suspect these are just quirks of Hyundai ATs. If it's any consolation, the ONLY AT I've ever experienced that's consistently, and absolutely incredibly smooth under all temperature ranges and load conditions was a friend's 2001 Mercedes Benz 320-E. Half the time I couldn't tell a shift had taken place except by watching the tachometer needle drop. (Engine sound? WHAT engine sound?! Only under full throttle acceleration was there even a hint that somewhere in the next county, someone -might- be stoking the coals...) The rest of the time I "suffered" through an all but unnoticed nudge in the small of my back. One final note about the Hyundai ATs. They're totally under electronic control of the engine management system and customize their shift quality and timing according to your driving habits. It's possible yours is still "learning" its social skills from you. If you change your customary habits (a hard charge up a freeway onramp, perhaps?), it may become temporarily confused. If you ever disconnect or when you eventually replace the battery, the power interuption erases the learned algorithms and the education process starts all over again.

    Mocky, your best bet is to log on to the Kelley Blue Book site. You can feed your car's particulars in and choose trade-in value or sell-it-yourself-to-a-private-party value and get a dollar estimate according to your location and the car's general condition. Be forewarned that piling up 23,000 miles per year will cost you. When my '96 Accord got totaled last November, I used that web site just for reference. When my insurance company finally called with a settlement offer they were under the Kelley valuation by about $125.00. I wasn't disappointed in the offer, but offhandedly mentioned what Kelley came up with. The adjuster matched it before I could say anything else. I decided not to argue with her...
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    Ingtonge, I misquoted the Sonata's acceleration spec. from the Consumer Guide "Automobile Buying Guide". The correct figure is 8.7 sec., not 7.8 sec as I stated above. With a nearly full second slower 0-60 mph time for the Sonata and probably well over a full second slower acceleration timing than your Tiburon, it's obvious the Tiburon is lighter in weight than the Sonata. This weight difference to the Tib's advantage suggests you shouldn't have any trouble matching, and probably surpassing, my Sonata's milege unless your right shoe has a lead sole. Sorry 'bout the mixup.
  • ingtonge18 and ray_h71:

    When you are comparing mpg between the Sonata and Tiburon, don't forget that you have engines producing different horsepower levels. The 2.7 Sonata has 170 hp and the 2.7 Tiburon has 181.

    I don't know if they are different engines or the same engine tuned differently, but this will definitely impact on mpg, especially in city driving...
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Intrepidspirit: There is no difference in output between Sonata and Tiburon. Both cars were rated at 181 and both were affected by the misprint and downgraded to 170. They also share the same automatic transmission.

    Ray_h71: My Tiburon only has 670 miles so I know it has quite a ways to go before it fully breaks in. I was rather surprised by my 2nd tank of gas because my 00 Accent got as low as 24 mpg one time during its break-in even though it has a much smaller 4 cylinder. If my Accent and your Sonata are any indication, my Tib's fuel economy may end up impressing me a lot by the 10k mark. By the way, the Tib weighs 200 pounds less than the Sonata and is a little more aerodynamic, so that might help. But as you said, the Tib begs to be driven hard....:)
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    I found it interesting that when the 2002 Sonata, Santa Fe, and Kia Optima intro'd the revised "Delta" 2.7 liter V6 engine, the power was rated at 181 hp. and the torque rating was 170 ft.-lbs. Then when Hyundai discovered their "mistake", the output revision had the same numbers - just reversed. Coincidence or a typo? You decide. My own suspicion is that some advertising copy writer inadvertantly transposed the numbers in front of him/her and the fun began. There are STILL some owners belly-aching that their cars now have eleven horsepower less than what was "promised" in the early sales brochures... To paraphrase the late Fred Rogers, "Children, can you say, 'money'?" (It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...) Equally interesting is that a similar sized Mercedes engine used in the C-240 sedan (2.6 liters, but actual displacement, 2597 cc, vs. Hyundai's actual displacement of 2656 cc - a real difference of 59 cc) outputs 168 hp. and 177 flt-lbs of torque. The baby Benz is rated at 2 hp. less and 4 ft-lbs less torque than the Sonata's V6, paltry to be sure, but needing premium unleaded 91 octane gasoline to achieve it! And this from a company noted for a reputation of class-leading engine design! The two cars' curb weights are within about 30 lbs of each other with very similarly rated powerplants. It's funny that I haven't heard any reports of C-240 owners complaining about insufficient power.
  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    "haven't heard any reports of C-240 owners complaining about insufficient power"

    Hahahaha. There are other c class board besides edmunds and people complain about it's lack of power or off-the-line punch. I myself is very disappointed when I drove one, it is lethargic from a dead stop. Sure you can speed once on the highway but the driving fun around town is zero. I would speculate that the sonata will have a better pick up from dead stop and when merging as commented by many owners.
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    I stand corrected by your personal experience and research, Drmp. I browsed through the December '02 issue of the "Consumer Guide Automobile Buying Guide" this afternoon and they reported their test C-240 took 9.2 sec. from 0-60 mph. And, that was with the manual transmission. That's a half second slower than the Sonata V6 with the automatic transmission. Most curious given the two cars' nearly equal curb weight and power plant output. Apparantly Korean horses are stronger than German ones. (Or, for whatever reason, either Hyundai is intentionally under-reporting their 2.7 liter V6 engine's true power, or Mercedes is intentionally detuning their 2.6 liter V6 engine's potential in an effort to "herd" buyers to the C-320...). According to Consumer Guide's numbers the Sonata 2.7 liter V6 even enjoys a fuel economy advantage over the baby Benz 2.6 liter V6. Thanks for posting. Do you have any personal impressions of the ride comfort between the two cars?
  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    There are several factors I can think of why the c240 is comparably slower than sonata. I'll enumerate them;
    1. Engine displacement, the bigger the displacement the more torque it has at lower rpm needed for off the line acceleration.
    2. FWD v/s RWD, rear wheel drive has to overcome rotational inertia of the propeller shaft, plus the 90 degrees redirection of power from longitudinal to tranverse at the axle is less effcicient compared to parallel transfer of power in FWD.
    3.Electronics, the more electronics involved (drive by wire) the more time is needed for the computer to think before it executes the fuel delivery (you got it, more delay in engine response). Many complained of disconnected throttle feel of the c240.

    I have yet to test drive a sonata but the seating position and range of adjustibility is excellent. If it has a telescopic steering wheel, it can match the driving position of the c class. I read from many reviews that it transmits sharp road bumps like expansion joints but not as harsh as the accord.
  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    When is hyundai offering 3.5 for sonata. This would definitely attract more potential buyers who are in the market for the Camry/Accord.
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    The engine displacement difference is only 59 cc and the published horsepower and torque specs bear the insignificance of that out. Parasitic losses due to a central driveshaft are negligible. You're obviously knowledgeable about automotive technology, but you failed to consider that the automatic transmissions used in the C-series are 5 speed units. Might that extra gear change lag have contributed to the C-240's poor acceleration showing? In other words what advantage the extra gear supplied may have been more than cancelled by the inevitable time consequence of an extra gear transition. Your opinions made for interesting reading, but, I still think there's a more than even possibility that Mercedes is artificially hobbling that 2.6 liter engine electronically to maximize C-320 sales. The time delay factors due to drive-by-wire are speculative. (Where's the meat...) If anything there should be less delay since there's less mechanical linkage (and associated linkage play) between the command and the throttle-body butterfly' response. The engine control computer "thinks" in milliseconds. We think in deciseconds at best. That's at least an order of magnitude difference. I personally still prefer a mechanical linkage, though. The drive-by-wire technology as it applies to cars is still sorting out throttle response algorithms. There've been many complaints about lag or overly touchy response about many makes using that technology. (Hyundai's had at least one firmware update to flash the EEROMs in the engine management computers of XG350s if owners complain.) As far as I'm concerned, DBW's a solution to a problem I don't have. As to the 3.5 liter V6 used in the XG350 maybe never. It would definitely fit - the XG350 is based on the Sonata platform. It would probably also cost XG350 sales. It would be more likely to see a 3 liter V6 in the Sonata in my own opinion. This could take the form of punched out or stroked 2.7 V6, or a destroked 3.5 V6 - that engine as originally fit to the XG300 -was- a 3 liter powerplant. What I would also add to my personal wish list for the Sonata, and despite my comment above about the possibility of the time lag assoicaited with an extra gear change, is the 5 speed AT from the XG350. Again it would fit. Even if it does result in less impressive all-out acceleration numbers, it might still be an advantage from the standpoint of smoothness (it is a sedan after all...) and reduced gear "hunting" in hilly terrain.
  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    Just had a test drive on an LX model. Definitely more responsive engine than MB c240 from off the line and when merging. The handling is more than enough for my demand (currently driving an SUV). Road noise is a little intrusive on bumpy roads, maybe similar to the previous accord.

    ray_h71, in the early 80's when FWD were not yet popular, I read an article about toyota switching to FWD due to the following reasons.

    1. Eliminate parasitic loss of propeller shaft (you see it is not negligible in their book). There was a time when Corolla had both FWD and RWD models and the FWD had better acceleration and better fuel economy.
    2. The car can be configured to maximize interior space.

    About displacement and off the line pick up, the specs only tells you the peak numbers, not the actiual torque between 1500-3000 RPM which is used when starting off from 0-30 mph.

    Regarding drive-by-wire, Isuzu Rodeo started using it in 2000 and one owner who bought that model after driving a '98 model specifically blamed the drive-by-wire for the less than exciting throttle response, it took away the fun factor and the aggressive throttle feel.

    About extra gear of c240, that is a non-issue when talking about 0-60 mph acceleration because all these cars when pushed hard will reach 60 mph in 3rd gear.
  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    I guess it would be more economically feasible for a transplant of the xg3500's drivetrain to sonata rather than develop a separate engine which would require a lot of money for the R&D. Just take a look at Mitsubishi, the 3.5 motor is found in the galant, diamante, montero, montero sport, endeavor all having the same spec. Talking about sharing of parts, that saves a lot of R&D money, which could cost a lot if you make a specific motor for each model.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Actually, only the Diamante and Montero Sport use the 3.5. The current Galant uses a 3.0, as does the base Montero Sport (much different hp levels). The 04 Galant, Endeavor, and Montero use a 3.8. I guess Mitsu isn't saving as much afterall :)
  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    but the montero also started with 3.5. The practice of handing down the drivetrains to other models is very common to car companies (Mercedes included). The 3.8 motor is a new addition wihich may or may not go its way to other mitsubishi model line up.
  • ohmar834ohmar834 Posts: 8
    I own a 2001 Sonata 4cyl Automatic which was purchased new in Jan 2001. Let me tell you the warranty work prformed so far.
     22181 miles Replace Heater Blower Motor.
     29741 miles Side Impact Air Bag Wire Harness
     Routing Recall
     29741 Replace Plugs And Wires
     35063 Remove and Replace Radio
     37806 Replaced Belt Tensioner
     41082 Replace Left Front Wheel Bearing
     41082 Timing Belt Off 1 Tooth on Exhaust
           Retime Engine.
     41840 Replace Right Front Wheel Bearing
     41840 Replace Alternator

     Other than that I love the car
     Thanks Hyundai for such a Great Warranty.
  • hjr2hjr2 Posts: 105
    Hey, next Sonata will b out in 05, nmade in USA, and will get a bump up in size, engine size, butno specfics.

    Last guy: Isolated problem. I have had the wiring harness replaced. Took 20 minutes. Had them put new chip in for 02 sensor, that was 20 minutes.
    Had them replace a timing belt at 57,599 (engine light came on) for Free, it slipped and was wearing prematurely.
    But, I had a 200sx, 97, burned up igniton coil, starter messed up, fried spark plugs, and a few other problems. SOld it at 66K(Nissan) 2 years ago for Tibby(No Problems with it, 62K in 2 years).

    My car's a gls-v6 sonata, 1999, with nearly 98K on it in under 4 years. It's still running, and Never(knock on wood) left me stranded like my last Nissan (200sx) did, in 20 degree weather yet.

    No Free repairs there... engine warranty ran out at 60K, unlike Hyundai's 100K.

    Service is also part of the ownership experience, and I am Very Happy.
    The car is great. Like it.

    Have a good weekend guys.
  • sonatabeansonatabean Posts: 201
    Any images available of the 2005 Sonata?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Welcome back!! :)
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    Any comments on $200 over invoice minus $1000 rebate on 4 cylinder Sonata auto with sunroof and antilock $15400 plus tax and license
  • You should be able to do better than $200 over factory invoice. In March, I helped my stepson on a deal for a 4-cylinder base Sonata with auto. I had a $1,000 loyalty rebate (because I purchased a 2001 Elantra for my daughter 2 years ago) that brought the price down to $11,988. price for the base in my zip code is currently $14,166 (with auto). This is $1,500 below the factory invoice of $15,566, less $1,000 rebate is $500 below factory invoice. So you should be able to get your car for $700 less than the deal you presented (this may be different for your zip code -- check

    I have never purchased a car from carsdirect as I have always been able to get a better deal. However, I have a friend that has used them and he has been happy with the purchase.

    Hope this helps.
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    Thanks much for the reply I'll go to carsdirect and see if we can do better
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    While you're at it, check to see if Hyundai's still offering the V6 for $100.00. (I'm not sure if that promo was the actual price, or the effective price after some sort of rebate.) There isn't really a mileage penalty to speak of, and it is much smoother and quieter. Due to the V6's aluminum cylinder block, the published curb weight of the car is 5 lbs less than the same car with the iron block I4. "Consumer Guide" said the 0-60 times were 10 sec. and 8.7 sec, I4 (didn't specify which trannie) and V6 (AT) respectively. I'm getting ~25 mpg in town and 30+ mpg on the highway with mine.
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    This car is for my girlfriend. So she tells another friend of her's (a middle eastern guy who negotiates everything)about the car and he tells her he can get a much better deal. Sure enough he goes up there and another salesman offers him the car for 1500 under invoice plus the 1000 rebate. A full $2000 less than the deal she was offered last night. My lesson learned is that invoice numbers don't mean anything and don't be afraid to offer anything. I feel bad about not helping her more last night. I guess I'm too much of a trusting conformist.
  • dq1dq1 Posts: 44
    My wife is wants to replace her '95 Civic (130k miles) since things are starting to go wrong with it, like the a/c has died and other smaller things. She only wanted the new Accord, but I got her to test drive a '03 Sonata GLS and she was really impressed with it and I thnk I'm swaying her away from the Honda. The only think we're hesitant about is the quality. I know Hyundai has been making a big push here lately, but I'd like to know about an major issues anyone is having. I was reading on the "Problems" board where the automatic tranny has a shifting problem between 2nd and 3rd on '00 and '01 Sonatas. Is this still a problem on the new models? Any other concerns?

  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    dg1, my experience with a 2003 Sonata V6 with the AT is that the first 2-3 shift, when under way cold, has a somewhat abrupt quality. Thereafter it's smooth. The engine management computer also delays shifts during cold operation to tame emissions, so, I've mused that may be part of it, but I really don't know. In any event, it's Hyundai's problem for the first 10 years or 100,000 miles. I've had mine for nearly 6 months and have 6,400 miles on the clock. The only warranty service so far was to have the dome light assembly replaced due to an intermittent contact in one of the switches. The only other mechanical issue I've had, if you even want to call it that, is a -very- faint whine on level terrain at any steady speed from about 35 mph to 45 mph. Acceleration or deceleration cancels it immediately. It was explained to me by a Hyundai tech that the noise is due to a bit of slop in the clearances of the differential pinion gear and the ring gear. He said it's harmless* and common, though not universal, with these cars, and that attempting to adjust it out could result in accelerated wear of those gears over the long haul. (To eliminate the noise entirely requires adjusting nearly all factory recommended clearance out with no guarantee that it won't return as the gears' mesh pattern loosens with time.) If there's ANY other noise source in the cabin, no matter how quiet, - radio, AC, wife, or whatever, the differential whine is inaudible.

    *My dad bought a new 1960 Dodge when I was in high school. That car's rear end whined louder than my Sonata at any steady speed above 40 mph from day one. The dealer tried several times to adjust the noise out, but with only very limited results. Dad put over 270,000 miles over 15 years on that car with no rear end problems other than the noise. The noise, while quite apparent, never increased in volume during the time he owned it.
  • I own a 2003 Sonata LX (with ABS/Trac and moonroof). The owner's manual states about the Trip Computer (if installed). Does Trip computer even comes on the Sonata? Cuz, all I have on my fully-loaded LX is Trip odometer (that is, you can compute only Trip-A and Trip-B). If Trip Computer is not available on the Sonatas' than why is it even described in the Sonata owner's manual? Please provide feebacks. Thanks!
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    Some Sonata LXs were inadvertently shipped to the U.S. without the trick trip computers. (Actually, rhapsodist, all of them, regardless of trim level, were, so don't feel bad. <grin>) The trip computer is probably only available in selected world market Sonatas, OR feature description copy from the XG350 (which does have a trip computer of sorts) owner's manual was inadvertently included in the Sonata owner's manual. If the former, these manuals are printed in Korea, and it's anyone's guess how many countries the English versions go to. (England, Australia, New Zealand, maybe Singapore, where English seems to be becoming the primary language, and of course the U.S. and Canada) The owner's manual lists a number of other items apparantly unavailable in the U.S. So far as I know, we don't get the security "chipped" ignition keys, manual crank windows, or manual door-mounted rear view mirrors described in the Sonata owner's manual, either.
  • liuyangfliuyangf Posts: 3
    I had a test drive of 2001 Sonata (50k, 4-Cyl.) and I felt great. However, I have a few questions:
    1. What's the difference between Model STD and Model GLS?
    2. When I drove it on highway with speed 70mph (cruise control on), the tach is only 2.7k rpm. Is that normal?
    3. The manual in glove box seems to be soaked, so the car could be once under water. But how can I tell that from car itself?

    Please let me know your comments. Thanks!
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