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Older Acura TLs

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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I too find the power delivery of the Type-S cars a bit rough and inconsistent. But I don't know if the fault is with the engine, the tranny, the throttle hardware, or the electronic engine management. The inconsistency leads me to suspect that it may be due to a finicky electronic brain. Overall, it's car that seems to work better when driven hard, flat-out on an open road. When you have to ease it around in stop and go city traffic, the system gets confused and temperamental. The Accord V6 is much more city-traffic friendly, as is (I suspect) the regular 225-horse 3.2.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    the inconsistency is quite annoying. At times, it feels rough and almost sluggish, but at times, when the electronic Gods are happy and all the stars are lined up perfectly it feels like a V8 in thrust and smoothness.
  • vaughn4vaughn4 Posts: 106
    I understand the hick-up, but what do you suppose is causing the slight surges in 5th gear? It actually feels like a slight jerking motion, especially when your driving at a constant speed and is more pronounced when you take your foot off of the accelerator. Is that the torque convertor locking and releasing? If so, does it get better after time?
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    It looks like break-in issue that I mentioned earlier. Give it 2-3K miles more, and if it continues, you can always have someone look into it. But that shouldn't be necessary.

    You're probably experiencing the torque converter engage/disengage. Don't worry too much about it, especially since it is a brand new car. If you think too much about something, you may try to feel something that doesn't exist. Kinda like ghost stories.
  • bo_chungbo_chung Posts: 61
    I have a similiar problem or feature on mine. I keep in D4 unless I go on a highway. I believe the 5th gear is too tall (designed for fuel economy) and causes the trans to go down to 4th too often around 40mph.
  • billyperksbillyperks Posts: 449
    I can put a bet on this-

    If you put the two cars side by side and ask an individual who knows nothing about cars to choose which is more stylish, I GARAUNTEE that person would go for the Acura.
    I think they will mistake your car for a spaceship
    getting ready for a take off:).
  • wsag26wsag26 Posts: 124
    Don't like GM... I don't care..
    I am not looking forward to having a fight with you and I feel that this message board isn't made for bets or fights or guarantee's unless the guarantee is for helping someone to find a car. I am sorry... but I will not visit this board anymore if all people want to do with me is fight.
  • kcirredkcirred Posts: 10
    The current TL has many strengths but styling in my opinion is not one of them. I'll take the edgy CTS styling over the boring TL any day.

    The new TL on the other hand looks great. Can't wait to test drive the 6 speed!
  • wsag26wsag26 Posts: 124
    billyperks.....
    I am going to say one more thing:
    The 2004 TL will probably look better than the current one, and probably could be closer to doing a comparison then.. but not now...
  • billyperksbillyperks Posts: 449
    Man you are thin skinned.
    We are only discussing cars here-sheet metal with four rubber tires.
    You have to be able to handle the opinions/jokes that comes with car talk.
    People talk about the TL as been bland but you don't see me crying or getting upset about it, on the other hand I get tons of complements from people all over.
    Just for the record- I don't hate Caddies, I am considering the XLT as a second means of transport in about a year or so.This decision was based on me been a homeowner who has to struggle in my wifes car with ply boards and sheet racks etc etc whenever I go to Home Depot or any other home improvement store.

    Ok ok- the CTS is alright but in my opinion the TLS wins.

    Are you down with the crowd again.
  • wsag26wsag26 Posts: 124
    Okay.
    You want to take harsh words billyperks.
    Fine with me.
    The TL sucks in every way. So does the whole acura. honda's pilot, odyssey, civic, and accord look bland.. they suck so does the s2000. they all suck.
    lets just say that all of honda and acura sucks. it all sucks, the whole concept. Even the concept vehicle of the next-gen TL. too bland, still. i hate everything about acura. lexus and toyota are better. even infiniti is better. no wonder lexus and infiniti sell better than acura. because ACURA sucks!

    If you want to take harsh words... I'm not crying and neither are you.... i don't care what you say from this point on...
  • No problem that you hate Honda and all it stands for. But .... Ummm - Why are you here on this board?
  • billyperksbillyperks Posts: 449
    GEESH!!! talk about temper tantrum.
    I did'nt know my words were so powerful, I hope I don't make you go out and wreak your Caddy because of these enlighten discussions.

    Please enjoy your car and have a good life.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,916
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  • #noname#noname Posts: 58
    For the past few months i've been keeping an eye out for the next car i'd like to own, and i've always admired acura's styling & power. What really sold me on the idea of getting an acura lately was the fact that my friend has a 91 acura Legend with 240,000 miles (never rebuilt the engine or tranny) and it's still running strong. But recently people on this message board people have been complaining about acura's tranny (especially the 99-2002 TL) what's happening here? Is the new TL going to solve these issues? One of the main issues that sold me on making an acura my next car was overall reliability....i hope acura's addressing this.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Well, I think the next TL, as with all Honda models will be as reliable as any other brand/model. The auto tranny has never been one of Honda's strong suit. But everything is relative. If a Chrysler had the same tranny problem, it probably wouldn't even raise an eyebrow next to all the other problems. But on a Honda, it stands out like a sore thumb.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    what other Chrysler's problems?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    It may be easier to list what they haven't had problems with. I don't know anyone with any Chrysler product who hasn't had a laundry list of problems. One guy literally cannot keep his LH sedan on the road --- and he's a Chrysler mechanic!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    My friend drives a 1999 Chrysler 300M. He has had no problems since the day he drove off the lot- and he's a know nothing about cars. This next TL deserves a better transmission. But then again, no car is perfect. The 300M has its own problems.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    There's the key! You know what they say...ignorance is bliss. :)
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    I drove a 300M for 3 years. No problems.

    I switched to a TL-S - bang, 6,100 miles later the Acura tranny crapped out.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Of course, there are exceptions to everything. But in all sincerity, I would roll the dice with a Honda product over a Chrysler, Ford, or GM anytime (if reliability is the issue).

    In Chrysler' case, I think it was doubly unfortunate in that they had some great styling designs marred by subpar execution.
  • Should I wait until the '04s are out? The pricing on the '03s are favorable right now. There sure are a lot of complaints here about a bad transmission....
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Transmission issue is history. Get the one that you feel will return more for your money. 2004 will be in high demand for a while, so expect close to MSRP on those (which may be a grand or two more than current model to start with). OTOH, the outgoing model (2003) will make price negotiation a piece of cake (invoice) to go with good financing rate.
  • so, new 2003 TL's on the lot should have improved transmissions?

    I now have two quotes for a new 2003 TL Type-S (no NAV) for $28,500. (Invoice is $29,052) One price includes 'mud guards' and 'wheel locks'. Should I try for lower? it can't hurt to ask, right?? one dealer has 18 Type-S cars (42 total TL) in stock and the other has 14 Type-S cars in stock. What do you think is the absolute bottom line for these guys? How desperate should they be to get rid of them for the incoming 2004's??
  • billyperksbillyperks Posts: 449
    That's a good price.
    I paid $200.00 over invoice back on 12/30/02.
    The only suggestion I would make is for you to revist the dealer on 29-30th of this month and suggest to them to knock off another $200.00 or so.
    They want to fill monthly quotas so month end is the best time to deal.
    Go late afternoon.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    somebody got their panties wet or something on that post where they said they hated Honda.

    About Chrysler, Ford, or GM they have gotten alot better in reliability/quality area since 1998.

    About the TL's trans yeah it hasn't been that great. I hope Honda does not rush the new TL out just to sell it. Honda did that with the 03 Accord and that resulted numerous complaints about a lot rattling.

    About the Domestic's having problems Ford had 11 rcalls with the Focus, the Ford Escape starting/stalling problems when the Escape first debut(Jaque Nasser era Ford was terrible.) The mid to late 90's Caravan had Tranny problems. So yeah Honda's problems do stick out like a sore thumb.

    About Chrysler they do have great exterior designs and I do believe they have their quality sharightened out.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    It seems many of the manufacturers (Lexus/Toyota, BMW, Nissan/Infiniti come to mind) can reprogram many of the electronic features to suit individual customers. I'm talking about things like delay time for auto-off headlights, auto-lock and unlock, passive locking, volume of the audible "beeps" on keyless entry systems, etc. Does anyone know if Honda/Acura offers the same thing?
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    doesn't seem to be the case with Acura. Also I don't think I can reprogram things in my RX300 either.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The dealer can reprogram your RX. There is a whole list of stuff they can change from the factory default settings.
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