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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • Actually, I saw one XLE without leather last December in MD when I was looking for a FWD LTD. So, they do exist. Also, the dealer can always special order one. With close to 170K Siennas being produced a year, I am sure pricing will be good too.
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    you meant the vent and the hvac control? Those are not that bad. Actually it does not even look cheap. It actually looks better than honda's depressing grey.
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    Sorry, there are currently two XLE in my dealer in fremont ca that has cloth in stock, one is blue mirage, the other i believe is deser sand as of last night when I drop of my van for the recall.

    For $1700 difference you got more equipement on XLE than EX-L.

    1. Power rear hatch (missing in EX-L)
    2. 2x 115V outlet
    3. True tri-zone automatic temperature control (EX you can only change the fan speed)
    4. No window shades- comes standard with leather.
    5. No power passenger seat.
  • LE #6 is missing a power driver-side sliding door, power sunroof, 6-cd changer, and color keyed mirrors. (Compared to an EX-L)

    LE #8 is a RES model, not Navi (unavailable with the LE).

    --> Andy
  • mcase2mcase2 Posts: 160
    Yes it is not bad. And the interior of the Ody is unquestionably less refined
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    YES...if fake wood is considered a mark of refinement.
        Many of us do not like fake wood and prefer the Odyssey interior that does not have the fake wood of the Sienna.
  • There are other missing "touches" in the interior. The lack of a leather steering wheel in the EX-L is just baffling. (although the non-leather wheel is ok, still. C'mon!) Things like that would've helped make the interior feel less "Grown Up Civic".

    But yeah, I don't like the fakey plastic wood either. I actually prefer the XLE wheel to the Ltd wheel for that reason.

    --> Andy
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    fake wood is still better than cheap plastic.

    The entire odyssey dash plastic are worse than Sienna. The HVAC control buttons on the odyssey with chrome insert looks good, but it actually very cheap to the touch (rough). Although the Sienna has shiny black hvac buttons, it's a huge step above odyssey rough depressing grey plastic.

    The leather in the odyssey is also worse than Sienna's leather.

    I will live with fake wood instead of entire van covered with cheaper plastic and leather. At least toyota took time to finish the plastic inside the van.
  • Actually you'll find that the Euro sedans go for a matte finish on their plastics rather than shiny & slick. That's the complaint people have about the Sienna's finish.

    Not that it matters, it's all plastic. It's down to personal taste. :)

    --> Andy
  • I don't any experience with this type of engine. But I have to let everyone knows that the price to pay to get the model with a VCM engine is not worth it. VCM engine claims that you will save approximately 12 percent on gas when in used at on city driving and when on idle. That 12 percent boils down to extra one mile to a gallon on city driving. On high ways VCM engines gives the same mileage consumption as a regular 3.5 CC engine. So is it worth to pay the extra thousands of dollar to get it?
  • Those buttons are not shinny!
    If you did spend a month going back and forth, how can you miss the big shinny black plastic? The very first interior picture of the Sienna in Edmunds will show you shinny black plastic 50 times larger than those buttons:-)
    May be you were concentrating on your printed wood pattern too much:-P
  • mcase2mcase2 Posts: 160
    Its not the fake wood. LEs don't come with it anyway. An example of what I mean would be the fold down tray. On the Ody its a single molded piece of gray soft plastic without any edge trim. On the Sienna the tray is neatly trimmed with harder more finished material either the fake wood or black plastic. The cup holders on the Ody tray are simple holes that are not likely to hold any cup truly stable. The cup holders on the Sienna are equipped with an ingenious, and I might add, very effective system of tabs that firmly grip any cup that is inserted. It also has a wonderfully useful compartment for pens, tire gauges, keys, etc. This sort of difference is repeated throughout the interior
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    The Odyssey is much nicer than the Sienna. The Odyssey EX cloth feels much more expensive than the drab, cheap feeling cloth of the Sienna LE.
         I like the Taupe cloth interior in my 2002 T&C LX better than the cloth of the Sienna LE. The pre-2004 Sienna cloth looked and felt nicer to me than the cloth seats in the 2004 Sienna.
         Fake wood not in Sienna LE? I will have to look more closely as it seemed to me all Sienna but the cheapest CE had fake wood on the dash.
  • Scotty,

    You make a key point - drive the two vans a couple of times, back to back if possible.

    My wife and I went through the exercise over a three week period. Here's what we found:

    1. Odyssey responded more quickly overall, steering, braking, suspension were more carlike.

    2. For my prospective passengers, Sienna was overall more comfortable inside. Brought 2 of my 3 kids along (8 & 12). They preferred the seating in the Sienna.

    3. Driving position of the Odyssey was quite uncomfortable. After the 1st test, I asked the salesperson if the steering wheel telescoped outward. I was amazed and disappointed that it did not.

    I did not mention this concern to my wife as to not bias her before she had a chance to drive the Odyssey. She wife drove the two vans after I did, and noted that her shoulders would be hurting if she had to drive the Odyssey for an extended period.

    Ultimately, the driving position issue persuaded us to buy the Sienna.
  • mcase2mcase2 Posts: 160
    Great, enjoy (I mean it) your Ody. Your financial plans makes sense.
  • Can you please tell me what is telescopic steering wheel and its advantages.
    Thanks
    Chris
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,439
    telescopic means it adjusts in and out (in addition to tilt, which is up and down). The main advantage is you can more easily find a comfrotable drving position, without having to stretch your arms way out to the wheel.

    used to be only on high-end cars, but has more recently been found on main stream cars.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • Not only does the wheel adjust "up and down" (tilt), but on the Siennas they can adjust "in and out" (telescoping). Helps to find a good driving position because you don't have to sit close to the dash (or far away, depending on your build).

    Odyssey has adjustable pedals (Touring only) which sorta has the same effect, since you can move the pedals in and out to accommodate your position relative to the wheel. But it's only on the highest trim.
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    Not exactly. The reason why plastic on european cars are cheap is because they are made of recycle plastic and are designed to be 100% recyclable. Hence the cheapness of its interior. I had unfortunate even of putting a post-it sticker on the dash and left it out there under hot sun for couple days. It left a permanent mark on my E39 dash.
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    excuse me. The HVCA shinny plastic is very small. It contains the temerpature settings, hvact buttons. Not the entire dash area. And this is not related to interior trims the original post was discussing.

    This piece sit so low that is does not really reflect sun light to be shiny.
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    huh?

    Have you sit in the EX cloth or LX cloth?

    LE cloth is slightly better than LX cloth. XLE cloth is slightly better than EX cloth.

    Why are you insisting on comparing a LE to an up level EX instead of LX?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,679
    You should really preface your comments by saying this is your OPINION. Someone else may feel the opposite way. Pretty common.
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    wow.

    this is different than i expected.

    I actually like Odyssey's driver seat and position better than my sienna. Sienna's driver seat is too flat.
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    the same should apply to HANSIENNA's comment.

    He was making a statement as well. If you want to become a watch dog for posting a statement, use the same standard on your honda supporter.

    Just because you sell honda, you should not apply bias standard on posts.

    I fail to see HANSIENNA statment is more opionated than my statement.
  • Ohh,,, Pardon me!!!
    I think it was "chiaw" that didn't see this big shinny black plastic in original post, and this guy even believe that this big black shinny plastic is light gray and accused others color blink, see #1063, and introduced this HVAC button things, see #1106.

    So you're not that "chiaw", sorry.
    Now, we all agree that that "chiaw" shall really make up his/her mind and has to know what he/she is talking about.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,441
    What we are talking about is minivans, not other posters. Let's stick to the topic please.

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  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Hansienna,

    True, the Sienna LE comes with the black plastic trim standard, but there is a wood option for 2-300 bucks. Most LE's on Toyota's lot in my neighborhood do have the wood trim.

    About the telescoping steering wheel in Sienna,

    While it is an excellent feature, I find the steering wheel in the Sienna not tilting enough to a higher position. When I push the power drivers seat up all the way (I like to sit very high) I can't see the gauges. The steering wheel is blocking all the gauges.

    I actually tried to lower the seat, but the panel around the gauges is very high too, and is blocking my view to the road.

    It's very sad that some safety features are offered in top models only. I would recommend Honda to bring adjustable pedals down to lower trim levels as well (My lowly '02 Ford Windstar have it!) and Honda/Toyota to also bring rear backup sensors on lower models. You can leave front sensors, HID lamps & laser cruise for the Limited models.
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    Where is the big black plastic? The HVAC control is just a minor portion of the entire front dash. The orginal post was dead wrong. Because sienna does not offer a black interior trim. In addition, the HVAC sits low on the dash and there is no light for it to be super shiny that would be distracting.

    Show me where that big black plastic trim is? If you are talking about index card size out of entire dash, then it's a joke right?
  • Regardless of the reasoning behind the European cars using "cheap plastic" it still stands to reason that when comparing plastic vs. plastic, some people are going to perceive plastic that "looks like" the plastic used in a Volvo, or BMW, or a Mercedes, as "high end". And for the most part, the plastic they use doesn't have a slick oily look to it, nor does it show every little fingerprint that gets on it. Does Lexus use the same finish? I don't remember my neighbor's LS having the same look to it. (but she no longer has it, so I can't run over and check)

    Like I said, plastic is plastic. Whether it's shiny, matte, fakey wood, or zebra print, it's still plastic. It's personal preference.

    --> Andy
  • http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/toyota_sienna_leawd_2005/16405/sty- le_photos.html?refsrc=offnetwork%2Fcpc%2FPI

    Ugh, I hate long URL's. :)

    I'm guessing that they're referring to the black plastic on the door panel armrests, down the sides of the center stack (areas which would be wood print on the XLE's) and maybe some of the buttons. But I'm only guessing since I didn't shop for an LE, I only went inside XLE's.

    But c'mon. Just the side trim pieces on the center stack are hardly "an index card". :)

    --> Andy
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