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Either it's an incredible conincidence or there's something legitimately wrong with the window. I'm sure the dealer will fix it. If it's something they haven't seen before, it may take more than one try.
Certainly this is frustrating, but I wouldn't think a broken power window would cause you to think the car's a lemon... did you buy the car for the power windows?
readytobuy: I don't think they will build enough Corollas to overtake Civic--unless Civic sales fall off or something.
By the way, I don't think the window problem makes that Civic a lemon though.
Its good that your wife likes the Corolla. Give her the Corolla! It has non-idependent suspension from MY2003 & dumb/numb steering! Prev Corolla with independant suspension was tested to have 56mph in Slalom! with these changes I guess it will be good for 52!! :-))
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It is called reputation & reputation is achieved by TOTAL QUALITY CONTROL which Honda/Toyota have in spades. Even other [non-permissible content removed] companies except Nissan maybe CANNOT match Honda/Toyota in quality department & that is truth!
remember Toyota is using the Matrix (or Vibe) to attract the younger buyers.
Secondly, the brochure says they have a rear beam suspension; but, when I went to look at them, the window sticker said they had 4 wheel independent suspensions. I thought that was too strange, so I called Toyota and they confirmed the sticker.
I do agree that Hondas and Toyotas are given much more leeway on quality control issues. But, I do not think a faulty window makes a lemon, either.
"Independent MacPherson strut front, torsion beam rear suspension with front and rear stabilizer bars"
Doesn't sound like an independent rear to me.
Could they sell more if they could make more? I don't know. I haven't driven the new corolla..or any Corolla. I can't fit behind the wheels. I have long legs (6'4" 35 inseam).
PS: Tomorrow, Monday, I plan to go to the dealer to work on the deal to trade the 96 Accord for a new Civic EX.
The article about the 2003 Civic Hybrid was intriguing, but I saw no mention of availability of the new car. Anyone have an idea about Honda's prodcution schedule, and when we can expect to see the hybrid in local showrooms?
I can't wait to check it out.
Civic Hybrid is supposed to have "2000 per month" sales pace according to Honda
Corolla has NEVEN been able to compete with Civic on overall product appeal for last 12 years, I do not think that happpening anytime soon!
On the other Hand Civic would cross 350K with the 15000 new Sis & 12K more Hybrids
Compairing 37mpg (EX -manual) to 50mpg (out-of-rear estimate for hybrid) and assuming $3000 cost difference and $1.50 / gallon for gas you would have to drive 284,000 miles to make up the initial $3000! And that doesn't include interest.
I thought the difference might be made up after 150,000 miles or so. I was supprised. 'Course its not such a big deal if the gas and emissions you save is worth more to you than just the money you would save in gas. This was a suprise to me.
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good luck.
Unfortunately I couldn't wait. Maybe next time.
So when you say 399 fillups etc you are thinking just about YOU & not what you could save for your country.
I still don't understnad how you justify $3.75 as the "unsubsidized" price of gas. I pay $0.99-$1.03 for regular gas. About 30-40% of that is tax. Tax that goes to highway improvements, maintenance, road cnstruction, etc. So you are telling me the at the government is artificially lowering the price of gas then taxing me to pay for interstate highway improvement, etc.?
carguy62: your calcultions are probalby accurate. this is one of the problems with the hybrid technology, the initial cost is expensive for the conumer. But the Civic Hybrid is the most promising to date. I imagine in a few years it will be only $1000 more then conventional cars thus making it a viable option.
Ofcourse your point is well-taken about 30-38 mpg of Civic. I was rather talking about fule saving mentality "it would take 28,000 miles to justify the expense" I would rather like to see Govt giving Hybrid owners/manufactureres some cash incentive for the price of fuel saved. 60% of us oil comes from Arab countries. Menas evry time you fill up the tank 60% of $$ is going to the Arab regime!!!
If Irak/Iran start doing OIL business with USA for a great price US Govt would forget about how bad Saddam's regime is & all that. It all boils down to the BIG oil business & dependence on the arabs for oil.
Nature has balanced the supply & demand wouldn't you say ?? :-))
Read it, think about, enjoy it - and talk about it here if you like. But please be careful not to get too deeply into some of the political issues that are beginning to crop up here. There are more appropriate places on the News and Views board for that sort of thing.
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European cities are much smaller than US cities. The governments charge gargantuan taxes to cut back on cars on the road.
What may be confusing, is that they measure gas in leiters, not gallons. It may sound like they pay alot more than they do.
You may be hearing about the price of a barrel of oil. This price is definately 4 dollars or more,
and is how you by oil from major dist...They measure in barrels, not gallons.
Find me some proof that the government pays for my gas and then taxes me again for it. I'm quite interested.
-Ryan-
Read http://www.icta.org/projects/trans/rlprexsm.htm
Government subsidy does not necessarily mean outright payment to the oil company.
And Europeans do pay more for gasoline than we do, no matter measured in gallon or in liter.
Yes, who among us knew the following contributed to the real price of gas:
"...travel delays due to road congestion ($46.5 to $174.6 billion), uncompensated damages caused by car accidents ($18.3 to $77.2 billion), subsidized parking ($108.7 to $199.3 billion), and insurance losses due to automobile-related climate change ($12.9 billion)."
See, www.icta.org/projects/trans/rlprexsm.htm.
I'd love to quote more of that "report" here, but I'll let everyone read it for themselves, and I suggest that you do. While it is a fair statement to say that the federal government subsidizes the domestic oil industry with tax incentives and credits, the conlusions this "report" makes are completely unfounded. The arguments are extremely tenuous at best. It attempts to add to the "real" price of gasoline everything from defense spending to damage to buildings. No support is offered for where many of these numbers come from and how they are linked to the "real" price of gasoline, other than vague references to researchers. Every paragraph starts with an assertion and then throws numbers at the reader as if the numbers validate the assertion, which they don't.
When rest of the world says that Americans are "least informed" about the world they are of course joulous etc but they are not completely wrong!!
Detroit would be better to spend money on fule saving technology than to hire attorneys & buy out law-makers to stop 35mpg by 2013 suggested by Senator John Kerry
Is there any sign before distributor bails out? I think my question is how do I know the mechanic was tell the truth?
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There are some discussions underway on our News and Views board where some of these thoughts and feelings would fit - please check them out.
Otherwise, let's remember that the Town Hall is in no way a political forum and these kinds of arguments just don't belong here.
Thanks for your understanding.
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First, be sure to get online quotes via autobytel, cars.com, etc. And be sure to print them off and take them with you to the dealer. The quotes I received were significantly less than the TMV here on Edmunds. The TMV here was about $400 Over invoice but I paid about $200 UNDER invoice and that included the destination charge.
I have read articles complaining of rattles and sqeaks on new Hondas. My Honda test drive was only 2.5 miles since the car was low on gas and the salesperson said that was all the farther we could go. I couldn't even get it out of 3rd gear since the test drive was through a housing community !! Do the Hondas seem to have any components that seem to wear out fast (i.e. clutches, alternators, brakes, etc.) Thanks for any advice.
are locked, and I didn't lock them. Does anyone know if the doors automatically lock?
Can this be de-programmed? What is up? This doesn't happen 100% of the time but at
least 95% of the time.
As for the automatic locks, if you use the remote entry unlocker to unlock the doors but then never open the door, it locks itself after 10 or so seconds. I don't know if the car has a tendency of locking itself, because I park outside and always lock it when I leave.