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At that time I stated that I would be turning in my leased Lexus GS400 and that I loved the car but would not go Lexus again because '04 GS400/300 is basically the same car I have now; my wife has an ES300 and LS430 is too pricey for our budget. I also stated that my wife and I have had 4 Lexus products and are a bit spoiled with Lexus quality and service.
We are pleased to inform all that we have made our decision and will soon be taking delivery on a 2004 X-Type, British Racing Green, premium package, heated seats, and reverse park control. As you know 2004 model now has as standard moon-roof and split fold-down rear seats.
This time we are purchasing and not leasing.
We hope that we enjoy Jaguar as well as we have enjoyed Lexus and that the customer service and quality are in the same ball-park as Lexus.
The determining factors for us were: AWD, style, price, and our favorable impression of the dealership (Patrick Jaguar - Naperville, IL 'Chicago suburb').
Thanks to all for you comments and assistance in our decision.
Will take delivery Saturday, December 13.
Car is in dealers stock and available to me now,
but, I have to travel on business this week and don't want to leave the new "kitty" in the parking garage at O'Hare airport before I have a chance to put some miles on it.
Also, I have a few preparation items to complete on my Lexus before turning it in.
Thanks for your comments
Tom
program which enables purchase of most Ford family products at a fixed price formula over dealer cost.
My boss is a former Ford Motor Company executive and receives several of these X-Plan programs annually that he allocates to members of our firm.
Purchase price,(no negotiations involved) set by Ford Motor Company, was $31,154.64 plus tax, title and license. MSRP on car was $36,290.00.
I shopped price at two other Jaguar dealers, without using X-Plan to see what I could do on my own, and the best I could come up with for identical car, was $32,847.00 plus tax, etc.
I also considered other brands, Infinity G35, Acura TL, Lexus ES330 and even an suv, Lexus RX330 (my wife wanted me to consider that option).
In the end decided X-Type was better choice for me at this time.
Hope that this information helps.
My '04 brochure has a date of "8/03" in the lower left hand corner on the back of the brochure. What's the date on your '04 brochure?
PS - Anyone know what happened to JagBoyXtype? He was always a good source of info.
Among the approx. 45 brands in the market today, jaguar would easily be in the bottom 5.
However, it would be interesting to know others' opinion of ways to improve jaguar's notorious quality. Do you guys have any suggestions?
Maybe things are getting better though because there are good reviews for the new XJ.
Too bad Lexus didn't buy Jaguar instead. Jaguar styling with Lexus quality would have been great.
While the exterior looks great, the X type interior actually feels and looks cheaper than the interior of a Lexus ES330 and even some VWs.
Maybe the complete redesign of the X-type in a few years will make it the way it should have been from the beginning.
cindyroderick in the preceding post must be stuck in 1988. The quality has improved greatly since Ford took over. One has only to read the latest J.D. Power quality surveys but then Cindy thinks J.D. Power's ratings are suspect.
On the other hand I think CR is least biased and most accurate for vehicle quality/reliability.
Deseret guy: Kindly read CR and find out where the Jags are. Then you tell me who is in 1988 or 1929, me or you?
"unlike JD Power which is a self-proclaimed global marketing firm always working for the manufacturers interests."
To me that sounds like you think they are suspect. I guess we can play semantical games but it is a bit boring. As for CR...their worth as a guide to cars has been hashed over so much on these boards that I refuse to even get into the poor job they do.
from some people who owns them and what I need to look for.
Anyone have a comment on the incentives?
I agree that invoice is probably a good baseline or lower if the incentives come back. If the other dealers are as loaded with x-types as mine, it should be only a matter of time.
I also posted on Jagtalk and will see if others have an opinion.
Thanks again
Have driven car 1800 miles including trip from Chicago to Cleveland over Christmas. Car handles very well in snow and is fun to drive.
My previous car was 2000 Lexus GS400. My wife's current car is 2003 Lexus ES300. We have had a Lexus in our household for last ten years. I didn't go Lexus this time because they did not offer AWD sedan.
My wife and I both like the Jaguar. In my opinion, the X-type compares favorably to my former GS. I like the way the X handles and I am getting more comfortable with the tight European ride. For a 230hp V-6 it has nice acceleration compared to my 280hp GS V-8 and much better than wife's 230hp V-6 ES300. I don't intend to push the X until it has at least 3000 miles, but, the few times I have "hit the peddle", it responds very well.
The dealership, Patrick Jaguar, is located in a two year old modern building with well equipped service department (including body shop) and they are a class act gaining a great reputation in Chicago area. Already they have sent me a sales followup letter, dealer satisfaction survey, service department welcome, thank you letter from dealership, thank you letter from Jaguar, survey from Jaguar, and a dealer gift packet that included a Jaguar coffee mug (for home or office) and a Jaguar travel coffee mug for car use.
The treatment we have received thus far from Jaguar is much like the experience we have expected with Lexus.
As to quality, I have found nothing to complain about. To date, I'm a happy owner.
program which enables purchase of most Ford family products at a fixed price formula over dealer cost.
My boss is a former Ford Motor Company executive and receives several of these X-Plan programs annually that he allocates to members of our firm.
Purchase price,(no negotiations involved) set by Ford Motor Company, was $31,154.64 plus tax, title and license. MSRP on car was $36,290.00.
I shopped price at two other Jaguar dealers, without using X-Plan to see what I could do on my own, and the best I could come up with for identical car, was $32,847.00 plus tax, etc.
Hope that this information helps.
i read this board to see what others have to say, and will avoid reading much further once i see the markings of a Troll.
our new X-type 3.0 has shown me what others are saying, in that it's flawless, plenty of power, and simply can't believe how it grabs the road.
the ride is quiet, and for some reason, i just don't want to get out of it.
now i'm one of the most detail conscious people on God's green earth, and if there is a problem, i'll find it. so far nothing, but wait, there was something, it's the little covers on the 17" wheels that are coming off on their own. actually one is already gone. called the dealer about it and they said that Jag doesn't warranty such pieces as they are usually stolen....... say what?
"maybe they get stolen because people have lost theirs due to a defect, and steal them from other owners i said." at any rate, i took the car in and right in front of the service manager, using very slight fingernail pressure, the right front cap fell off as well. the only thing holding it was the thin layer of grease from the wheel. left front, same thing.......... all the plastic tabs that hold these caps in place are broken. only one wasn't loose.......... they were going to order just 3 caps, but i guess the manager sensed my disgust and decided to replace all four.
so while this is not a negative post, it is one that i share for others who might have experienced this, but never realized that their missing caps may have been due to a defect............ dealer said this is the first time they've seen it.
which model are you referring to?
Thanks!
The comfort level is good. I am comparing it to my ’95 Bonneville, which was very big, and rode “soft” The controls seem well placed and I am enjoying myself. I will add/update as needed but so far I can say I am happy and could recommend this car.
Shopping list included:
04 Mercedes C-class – not bad, would have cost more for the same car options, has lingering doubts of reliability.
04 BMW 3-Series – WAY to many of these on the road and it costs more than I wanted to spend for a small car.
04 Volvo S60 – Nice car, good value, very comfortable. Had some doubts of reliability for whatever reason (maybe just wanted the Jag ; )
Used 200, 2001 5 Series - Nice solid car. NLT 31,000 for 30,000 miles though. Notorious electrical problems.
04 TL – Very nice, hard not to buy it, It is certainly much more contemporarily styled however and the rear end of the car is not at all to my liking. If this thing had a longer rear trunk and toned down the chrome in the interior I would have picked over the Jag.
04 G-35 – a bit to sporty for me, cool looking some what contemporary interior good exterior styling. Poor break wear and very low MPG.
just wait till your cat gets about 500 miles on it and then you'll see what all the fuss is about.......these X-types really are the cats M e o w!!!
But honestly i hate Jag R series cars, they are CCPV's (cost cutting performance vehicles), just add blowers and thats it.
Jaguar has an incredible reputation but i sence it is slowly fading in light of the resurgence of cadillac and the aggression of infinity and Acura.
It would also help if, instead of offering $3250 in incentives, they just priced the cars that much lower, it would help resail value for sure.
To you guys who own the X-type, how do you feel about the propaganda mags saying the interrior is sub-par with tis competition? I looked at the interrior face to face, and fully dressed it has more wood on it than any car in its class, how is that sub-par?
who cares what Edmunds has to say anyways..........it's quite obvious that they are biased.........learned that over on the pickup board of which i no longer post.
The X-Type is a car to buy for looks, style and other emotional reasons when you are ready to throw all caution to the wind.
oh paleeeez..........show me the proof on this one.
Not true. My X-Type has far surpassed my first 6 months as a Honda owner, and I consider that to be one of the most reliable manufacturers. Jaguar has made great strides in intitial quality and is quick to respond to any problems and makes running changes throughout the model year based on customer feedback. I don't throw caution to the wind for the sake of looks. If I did, I'd be driving a Volvo C70 ;^)
all other posts are completly negative, and it doesn't seem to matter what brand of car.
Would I buy another Jaguar? In a heartbeat!
Having said that, I cannot WAIT to turn this car in at lease-end. I'm in it because I was able to assume someone's lease and needed a car, but the car is noisy, loose-feeling, has a harsh, stiff ride and seems unstable on wet roads. It's also a bit claustrophic-feeling. This is not a driver's car, imo. It's a boulevard cruiser, and not a sophisticated one at that imo.
as for comfort and reliability is concerned, remember, the percentage of lemons by percentage of X's on the road versus all the others mentioned is about on par or less.