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2. Agreed with me
Watch out for the flying pigs (JK)
Have a good weekend all.
Bruno - I'd say the outside tires may continue to hold on during a tight highspeed turn, but the inside ones do the sliding, because they're the fulcrum (kinda) around which the vehicle turns, in the vertical plane (rather, relative to the vertical plane). Hmm - terrible phyics - but it seems obvious to me
I'm sure you'll turn up a more credible description/explanation to correct or support that
Please, oh puh-lease Mazda, keep the 3 wagon looking like this for 2006!!!
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,277694,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,277697,00.jpg
Meade
This is a downside to unidirectional tires. The tires remain on the same side of the vehicle at all times. If you drive like I do (more right turns than left) one side will wear out quicker than the other. This happened on my 2001 ES. The passenger side tires had more wear than the driver side.
Let us know the results of your observations Monday.
If you can.
Meade
Dan
http://www.strandmag.com/new_page_12.htm
A must sentense: Protege is nice, regardless which tire scrub more during cornering.
Bruno
- Given a specific speed, the smallest cornering radius can be achieved when all four tires do not slide (manifested by the squeezing noise otherwise). If one of the tires starts to slide, the overall friction is immediately getting smaller to correctly count balance the centrifuge force. In the next, we'll assume the car is in the no-sliding situation.
- The maximum centrifuge force that the Protege/P5 can take in a dry surface is around 0.85 g.
- For such hard cornering (0.85 g), because of the weight transfer, the weight applied on the outer wheel will be around three time larger than the inner wheel. Furthermore, the front outer wheel is the most loaded (than the rear outer) because the center of the turning circle is located more in the back of the car (since the steering wheels are in front), and also because of an eventual deceleration during cornering.
- Lateral deformation of the rubber is greater when there is more weight and lateral force load.
- The slip angle of the tire (i.e., the angle of the deformation of the rubber around the contact patch due to the active steering) is proportional to the torsion/lateral load of the wheel, which in turn is proportional to the dynamical weight. Therefore the outer tire is subject to about three time more of slip angle than that of the inner tire. However, it's true that the camber effect that Boggse has referred previously could make the slip angle in not uniformly distributed in the patch contact of the inner wheel.
- Because the outer wheel has more weight and thus more dominant in the steering, the other effect of the negative camber is to provide then a natural oversteer compensation for the car during the cornering.
- Tire wear depends mostly on slip angle, lateral/directional deformation, and weight load that apply on the tire.
I think we have all necessary ingredient to find out the best place for putting the good tire: OUTER FRONT WHEEL.
Bruno
the body line looks like it was stolen from a hyundai Accent.
If only on the inner side, then there is a possible answer and that is -ve camber.
secondly, i might conclude that u might have taken more tight turns to your left, thereby shifting the weight to the outer side, namely the passenger tires.
So since collecting on delinquent folks is not exactly considered to be "Essential Services", I stayed home. Well not exactly. Got together with my friends and went to the beach, about 100-130kms north of Toronto in...
A 200 Sunlight Silver Metallic PRO SE (DX in the US) equipped with AT and A/C - no power windows and all those fancy gadgets - saved lots of weight this way
Now picture this: the powerful 1.6L engine, A/C on at fan speed 2, 4 guys in the car - say roughly 600lbs - a wise guestimation only, AT-equipped, all riding on 14" Firestones - while not as refined inside as others better equipped, the car did not have one rattle or squeak, although the front right side vibrated at 120km/h but went away at 130km/h or 140km/h which was NOT our cruising speed during this trip! While not as powerful as our 2.0L 2001 ES, even this little silver bullet was ok, although picking up speed on an uphill was not its "best feature".
And as I returned home tonite, the power was back on, I filled up the PRO and as of tomorrow it's back to reality driving my "luxury sedan", while only looking at the sleek lines of this fine "sport sedan" I call the Protege.
Dinu
The reason deer wait until cars get close to them before crossing roads is so they can see potholes and avoid stepping in one and breaking a leg. Cars are their nightlights.
fowler3
Are you sure the alignment of your ES is perfect?
Bruno
Dinu
HA HA! Same here. Nothing is funnier than having someone go through their whole dictionary of not-so-innoffensive language only to have to hang up on them when they're done. It's as if they wasted their whole fuel tank and now when they're running on fumes, the gas station is out of gas. And no I'm not a mean person.
Oh yeah, and I love driving the Protege.
Dinu
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Dinu
Dinu
Current mileage: ~26,000
Seat squeaks: absolutely none, and I weigh somewhere in between Todd and Meade.
Warranty work: new radiator, new seatbelt locking thingy. No hassles.
Would I purchase again?: absolutely.
Question: Just got the postcard from the dealer, saying I'm due for a transmission check and some kind of flush. (Can't remember right now...coolant? Fuel injection something?)
Should I go for this?
So yeah I would do it and also do the plugs by 30K.
Dinu
The 3 wagon looks pretty good, but I'm not sure about the shoulder line. it does have a certain Hyundai feel to it. Maybe they should go look at BMWs and Audis for a while, then go try again. A small reprofiling could have a big effect.
There has been some debate on whether to put the best tread on the front or rear. If you have ABS, putting the best tread on the rear will aide the driver in controlling stability, but will hamper traction for accelerating, cornering, and braking. Without ABS, the stability advantage is lessened as braking becomes more of a concern. Cornering is not much of a concern because the car will just understeer more which is generally considered safe behavior for left-hand drive vehicles. Acceleration traction also is less of a concern since you can just let off the throttle to control wheel spin. Pretty much, it comes down to a case of braking vs. stability. Personally, I would choose stability, but to each his own.
All things considered, I would put the dissimilar tire on the back and drive like the road is always ice covered.
I know, I know ... should take it to a real tire shop. But I just love those free rotations and balancings ... if they get it right this time, I'll stay. If not, I'll drop 20 bucks and get a tire shop to do it. (I'm starting to question the "balance every time you rotate" thing anyway. Seems just when everything's smooth and wonderful, they re-balance and all is crap again!)
BTW, they'll be using those weights that stick onto the inside of the wheel ... no weights will be visible from the outside of the tire. I had a Saab that had those weights a few years back. I kinda liked the unbroken appearance of the rims -- I only wish this could've been done from the beginning, since after 62,000 miles I've got plenty of scars on my rims from weight changes!
(Yesssss, I know ... I'm 2K overdue for my 60K-mile major service. I'm looking under my seats and beneath the sofa cushions, trying to find $250 in spare change ...)
Y'all have a good week -- I'll be back Friday. Taking two days of comp time to ... er ... "enjoy" painting the trim on the house ...
Meade
Just my opinion...
Dinu
The Protege, on the other hand, has a richer (but still not-great-looking) Seabreeze Green. No mazda or review website or brochure photo seems to do justice to either color - you have to see them in person. IMHO, anything but the Emerald Mica Green (really dark, almost black) doesn't suit either the M6 or the Pro.
The only problem I have with Sepang is it's hard to photograph and get the exact shade. The metal flake is highly reflective with the lightest shades of the color photographing as greys. AND the less than inspirational name. Mazda seems to have a problem with that too, no imagination. It isn't very cool to give colors names their buyers don't recognize.
I have problems with Seabreeze Green too. Hard to visualize seas as green, most are vivid blue. Fresh water is green. But it says *breeze*, which has no color at all. Sometimes I think they grab people off the street and drag them in to make these decisions.
Can hardly wait for fall when people start chatting again.
fowler3
I don't know where they're coming up with these names, but you know someone at MNAO approved them. What's "Sepang" anyway?
Meade
Ooops, did I say that out loud?
Where have you been able to find a new LX auto for 11.8K? I'm in NY and wondering if I could get one near that price?
Seriously though, I like the dark metallic greens, but find the light greens kind of pallid. Ick. Not for me.
I tried to get to it but i can't.