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  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007

    The RX-8 and Mazda 6 as shown at the Tokyo Auto Show are on this page. Take a peek!

    Sedan in 'Early 2003', Wagon 'May be introduced' and Hatchback is 'a future project'. Hmmm.

  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    You guys are right, Rubber Maid tupper-wares are durable. Perhaps Nissan really did think about the interior.
  • Responding to milleniaman1's take on Mazda's cancelled Amati division (#35)

    "Mazda was going to start its own Luxury division called Amati...the Millenia was going to be the flagship sedan."

    Actually, the Millenia was supposed to be their entry level car for the Amati division. They already designed and test their much bigger flagsip car, which was going to have a V12 in it.

    To me, the name is kinda lame anyway, Amati. They should've do what they did in Australia, have a luxury division called "Eunos"; it was pretty successful when I was there.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote csuftitans:

    "Actually, the Millenia was supposed to be their entry level car for the Amati division. They already designed and test their much bigger flagsip car, which was going to have a V12 in it."


    From a Car and Driver comparison test:

    Photography By AARON KILEY
    February 2000

    "Going into this evaluation, few if any of us expected the Millenia would score high among this group. After all, it has been around since 1995, and for the past two years its price has been slashed by $4000 to $6600 (along with some feature content) to bring it into line with its Lexus and Infiniti competition (the car was originally intended to anchor Mazda's stillborn luxury Amati Division). At least our S-model tester retained its small but strapping 2.3-liter Miller-cycle DOHC V-6. It employs delayed intake-valve closing and a supercharged and intercooled induction system to produce 210 hp. This setup permitted our Millenia S Millennium Edition test car to tie the Infiniti I30t for best EPA highway fuel mileage at 28 mpg (although it trailed its unblown 227-hp, 3.0-liter rival by a half-second to 60 mph, proving once again that there is no substitute for cubic inches)."


    You may be right, but Car and Driver doesn't agree with you. I have also read that the 929 was to have been the original Amati flagship, but was replaced by the Millenia. Of course Amati got dropped in the mid '90's because the market was down and Mazda couldn't afford to build the dealership network. At that point the Millenia was made the top of the line Mazda.

    Google "amati mazda" if you want to see all the possible answers to the Amati discussion.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    AWD will reduce any tendency to skid, though. That's because you split the burden of applying power to 4 tires instead of 2, so you are less likely to exceed the limit of available traction.

    RWD tends to fish tail if you either apply too much power in a turn. FWD would tend to understeer, but you still lose traction. Stability or traction control will constantly slow either FWD or RWD down by applying brakes.

    It's funny because I own one of each, all with all season tires. The Miata (RWD) is bad even in rain, never mind snow. It has no weight on the driven tires and offers little protection, so I park it.

    Our 626 (FWD) is fair, but in snow you have to drive rather deliberately. Accelerate in a turn and it will not complete the turn - instead understeering right off the road. We do not have traction control (not available back in 1995).

    Finally, our Forester (AWD) is great in snow because it offer both the ground clearance and the traction to get around. There is really no comparison. It's fun where the others are scary.

    Traction and stability control would help any of the above systems, but I'd still take AWD over FWD with that technology, no contest. Better yet, give me AWD and stability control.

  • If Millenia was supposed to anchor the Amati division, then it would not be a good luxury division.

    I remember reading a couple of magazine back in '92 or '93 that the Millenia is supposed to be the entry level car for Amati Div (one of the magazine is either C&D or R&T). I even saw a camouflage picture of the bigger top of the line car. I also remembered that they are testing both a V8 and a V12 for the car.

    Also, check this out:

    First, some background about Project MX-08, Eunos 800 and Xedos 8. All are names for the car you can see in Mazda showrooms badged as the Millenia.

    Project MX-08 was the code name around Mazda when the Millenia was conceived as the entry car in the now-defunct Amati luxury line.

    Amati was intended to compete against Toyota's Lexus division, Nissan's Infiniti and Honda's Acura.

    But in the early part of this decade the global economy went sour and Mazda almost went broke.

    So Mazda scrapped plans for Amati, but not for the Millenia -- nor for the Eunos 800 as its known in Japan and the Xedos 8 in Europe.

    On this continent, the Millenia S, first introduced in 1994, sits at the top of the Mazda range.


    I am surprised that an editor of huge car magazine like Car and driver would say something that. He must be drunk :-)

    Anyway, I've been following Mazda since I was a teenager; I'm 27 now. So I know most of the stuff happening with Mazda, here in the US and abroad.

    BTW, Mazda 6 is definitely in our family's list for things to get in 2002; either sedan, wagon, or hatchback.

  • The TV show "Autoweek" just did a teaser intro on the Mazda 6. They said with no qualifications that it would come to the US as a sedan and wagon, with a hatchback as a possible later entry.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Was it Motorweek? I didn't know Autoweek had a TV show.

  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    wouldnt this mean to be the bottom rung model (think about it, anchors are at the BOTTOM of the body of water)? by calling the Millenia the would-be anchor, I'm pretty sure Yates meant that it would be the entry level model. So in that case, he is correct, and doesnt need to get his source checked out.
    how did this topic get started? back to the 6 (which is the most ridiculous name EVER, especially for an auto that looks so awesome).
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    Someone just posted this on the Protege board ...

    (More specs, more details about a bunch of different Mazda vehicles and engines in the works, and videos of many of them in motion - including the Atenza, or Mazda 6, as it will be known here)

    Concept cars Mazda's showing in Tokyo:

    This site highlights their new engines:

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The name "6" doesn't bother me, but then do you call the 4 cylinder models the "4"? ;-)

    They show some bizarre stuff at Tokyo.

  • Did you get a load of the "Mazda Secret Hideout?" With styling by Playschool. No, the show that claimed to know America gets the sedan and station wagon was Autoweek. It just happened to run right after Motorweek on my TV system. The current Motorweek show featured a rapturous review of the new Altima.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587

    A little more info, too. The 4 banger will have a pretty impressive 178hp.

    I'm not sure I like the interior as much as the exterior. The two tone steering wheel and seats are a little much. And why Pontiac-orange guages?

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I am sure the two-tone steering wheel won't make it to production. Those are usually show-car pieces they use. And my 2001 Protege ES has red lit gauges, and it looks pretty cool. The orange is a little much though. They should use the red from the 2001 ES.
  • alpha01, thanks for clearing that up; I guess I got carried away a bit there :-).

    BTW, if you don't like the name "6", how about using Mazda Atenza or Cronos ('93-'97 626 was called Cronos is some part of the world; I kinda like it)

    or how about Mazda 6 Series, kinda like BMW? how about Class 6 (classics ???)

    In any case, I'm getting one of this 6 series Mazda.
  • Anchor the Amati line would mean it is the high-volume product and therefore most important to the success of the division.

    Flagship would mean top-of-the-line such as the BMW 7-series or Mercedes S-class.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The MP3 has a similar steering wheel, though. I prefer the all-black ones.

    I agree - an anchor is the best selling model, the one that pays the bills, so that other, more interesting variants can be offered as well.

    So the 626 and Protoge are the anchors, and the new RX is the flagship.

  • The 6 will be the top of the line Mazda after the Millenia dies off. It was supposed to be the entry "Amati" car.
  • I for one plan on buying the hatchback when it makes it over here. I'll take a v6, too. I hope that Mazda has enough sense to offer a manual with that v6. I also hope that said manual is NOT the crappy MTX-75, which happens to be the bane of my existance in my Focus (hence my user name).

    Ahh well. Here's a checklist for Mazda of North America to follow:
    1. Bring Hatchback to USA
    2. Offer manual transmission with V6
    3. Don't use MTX-75 transmission
    4. If you have to use MTX-75, at least re-engineer it so that it can shift in cold weather. Like, say, the Saturn, Toyota, and Honda manuals in my previous cars.
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