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Here is another spin on this...Pax tires are cheaper in the long run. My reasoning? They include a tire pressure monitoring system. One of the photos shows a display in the bottom of the speedo that shows the pressure at each tire. Most people unknowingly drive around with under-inflated tires. Improperly inflated tires wear faster and reduce fuel economy. Having the car gently reminding you to fill the tires *may* improve tread life and gas mileage enough to offset the tire cost. (12,000 miles / avg 24 mpg x $2.00 a gallon = $1,000 in fuel cost per year. Save 5% over three years = $150)
Regarding availability, the Honda press release discussed the nationwide availability of pre-mounted replacement tires. If you need a replacement and you have more than 50% tread remaining you get not only a free tire, but a new wheel as well.
Hope this helps.
I hope I am wrong about this I have been counting on that seat being an accessory on the touring. Why would Honda do this? I really wanted this seat and touring, especially since that is the model we ordered. I am so upset, please someone tell me I am wrong and the seatbelt is built into the seat like Sienna. Why can't we have top of the line luxury and 8 passenger capability??? Are you listening Honda and Toyota for that matter!
Sorry for the rant!
My experience also has been that tires get nails in them when the tread is past the 50% wear point. This has happened frequently to us, resulting in a slow leak that needs to be fixed to avoid the hassle of pumping up the tire every few days. With conventional tires it's cheap and easy to fix these leaks and get the full life out of the tire. It's probably a lot more expensive to repair a PAX tire.
I wonder if the Honda or tire dealer will recommend replacing rather than repairing the tire when it has less than 50% of its tread left. And you have to replace at least two tires at a time when they are more than 50% worn. So you have to consider the possibility of higher repair cost and more frequent replacement with the PAX tires.
My overall point was that there may be some added value to the PAX system to offset the cost of the tires, i.e. the TPMS. What may get pricey is taking a chunck out of the RIM by hitting the curb the wrong way.
As for repairing the leak, my impression is that the PAX tire is more like a conventional tire and a normal zero-pressure run flat, and therefore may be more repairable.
One more thought - let's hope that the PAX wheels have the same lug pattern as the other models. In the event the PAX product line dies 7 years down the road and replacement tires are $500 a shot, you could always get used wheels off of an LX / EX. Besides, nothing beats snow tires on steel rims come winter time.
Too me, tires in vehicles are the low hanging fruits for DIY. Constant checking is essential. It affects handling, braking distance, noises, comfort, safety.. etc.
Yes, all middle seats (2nd or 3rd rows) have 3-point seat belts with shoulder belt stretched from the ceiling (like current 3rd's design).
Move up in time! Michelin's going to sweep the industry again. Only this time you cannot mount any other wheels or tires on the ODY with screwing up the suspension dynamics.
Yeah last time Goodyear and others were suppose to support TRX
For everyone's convenience, I've provided a link to the article. It is located under "Helpful Links" to your left.
As far as looks goes(interior & exterior), IMO nothing beats the Lincoln Navigator, not even a Lexus. But when compared to the Sienna, there are goods and bads with both vans.
The Ody's illuminated controls and electrofluorescent instrument panels are awesome like Acura, while the Sienna is typical Toyota cheap vs Lexus.
The Ody's 8" NAV screen and NAV functions beat even the Lexus LS430, so the Sienna is absolutely no match.
The Ody's 9" DVD RES looks much better than Sienna.
The Ody's Steering wheel controls/buttons look much better than the Sienna.
The Ody's front panel layout with 6-CD changer/NAV/Radio/AC controls/DVD player is much better than Sienna. Plus the Sienna only has a single CD player in the NAV model.
I do prefer the Sienna's synthetic woodtrim and gated shifter in the Limited, but that's it.
The Ody's exterior is much better than Sienna IMO.
"cassette as an option?"
On Autodeadline.com, they listed about 43 accessories and among them are Cassette Player, Woodtrim, MP3 Player, 3rd Row sunshade, and PlusOne Console.
Hey, I just now notice the MP3 Player. I think I'll get this over the Cassette player since MP3 is the new deal.
But in terms of just pure looks, nothing beats Navigator IMO.
Only bad thing is Ford makes Navigator, and reliability is an issue.
Plus, the NAV screen on it is only like 6", not 8". And the voice commands are about 175, not 700!
I want XM, but don't want an external head unit added on.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I live in the New Jersey, and my wife really wants AWD. I think given the choice on a Sienna ltd vs. Ody touring, i'd go with the ody hands down as i'm not real keen on the looks of the sienna. HOWEVER, now considering the cost of the touring at 37K (and not much discounting if any) vs. an AWD limited sienna (i can get for 39 w/ navi), i'm leaning to teh sienna. Someone change my mind! damn I wish honda put AWD in the ody!!!
Aceman
I'm sure this topic has been beat to death in other threads.
Other makes (DC, Nissan) will probably feel the heat more.
Actually, the Ody capacity won't be too much higher than it already is (up from about 160 to 180K/year), and since they already max out, it can't rally skew the market too much. Someone has to sell the vans Toyota and Honda can't produce.
The total minivan market IIRC is running about 1.2 million units. Honda and TOyota together can produce =/- 350K, so thats a lot of units left for Ford, Nissan, Kia and DC to split up.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
But I can understand wanting the security of AWD for the family. For what its worth the general manager at the dealer I am buying from thinks they will add AWD in a year or two- they have the technology from Pilot. He thinks it will give them something to buzz about in a year when the van is otherwise little changed.
I am primarily interested in EX-L and Touring.
1. It is too dangerous to put a child close to door with all those air bags and otherwise.
2. If someone is already sitting in second row, that person will have to get out to let someone else go to third seat, its crazy to think that it will work; I hope Honda didn't goof up on that. I will have to go the Sienna way.
I am not sure why do you need AWD in New Jersey,
Is it because of snow ? I live in Minneapolis and was also thinking about getting AWD but read somewhere that Snow tires makes more difference to snow traction thank AWD (No I haven't tried that yet, but will try it on my Accord first )
Thanks,
I personally find it easier to go through the middle rather than having to move the outside chair forward.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
However, the VCM models are quieter than the Sienna.
The difference AWD would make is in driving in deep, uncompacted snow. If you live in a very rural area or frequently travel to a vacation home that isn't plowed, I could see the value. If you live in a suburban or urban area, it is tough to see the benefit of AWD. Especially given the increased vehicle, maintainence, and fuel costs.
The biggest safety difference you can make are the tires.
I live in Saint Paul and we get our fair share of snow. My two current cars are both FWD Volvos, an 850 and an S70. Both have traction control. Both do fine in the Minnesota winters. For the 850 I have a set of Blizzak snows mounted on steel rims that go on around Halloween. The tires are absolutely amazing. They are like claws. The road noise, treadlife, and handling have been great.
8 passenger version.
I have a question for all of you men out there....with the Pax tires on the Touring how does that affect the possibility of putting snow tires on in the winter, if at all? Not that we've ever put winter tires on, but since it's taken me a good four tries to get up our own driveway the past couple of winters, it would be worth considering. Thanks in advance!
As for LX and EX, if you trust the press release then they are quieter than the 04's due to a new sound deadending material.
To others who are bashing AWD here, it sounds a little bit like sour grapes to me. Good thing you Honda fans think AWD is valueless, since it's glaringly absent from the '05 Odyssey's list of available features.
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"Floating front and rear subframes with rubber bushings (new on rear subframe)"
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"Advanced sound absorbing material lines majority of cabin (new material technology)"
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"Active Noise Control (exclusive to EX with Leather and Touring models)"
Because ANC works to counteract any steady droning noise, it should be able to cancel some of the road or wind "hum" in addition to the noise generated by VCM. In Honda's words:
"the audio system analyzes the sound waves entering the cabin, and then instantaneously creates an opposite sound wave (anti-noise) to cancel the unwanted noise."
It is the same as BOSE noise cancellation headphones if you have ever put on a pair. They cancel the hum in your office or on a plane to an amazing extent.
I've also read somewhere (can't remember where right now), that Michelin is planning to manufacturer a Pax snow tire but that at this time they are not available.