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now i'm stuck on to which colour i should buy. Its a odd thing, I love the satin white exterior but not too impressed with the beige interior that comes with it. take a look: http://www.subaru.com/media/image/2008/legacy/25gtlimited/photos/4216_059_lg.jpg-
the problem to me is not the beige itself, but the mix of beige and black.. black dashboards and steering wheel w/ beige seats? someone please tell me this is a photoshop error?
I've got the black/beige combo on my Subies. I don't like how easily the beige shows dirt, but I do actually like the black with it. The beige helps keep the interior bright & airy, but if the dash & wheel were beige, it'd be beige overload for me. We actually got the black all-weather floor mats to help tie the interior colors all together, and I think it works. They're quite practical in wet/snowy climate, too. You can get black carpeted mats as well (was my salesperson's suggestion), to hide the dirt. When you go to pick up your car, use some black mats from another vehicle on the lot to see what you think of 'em in your car.
Of course, color preferences are all subjective. One downside to smaller car companies like Subaru: limited interior/exterior color combinations.
it included the 1000 rebate.
1. very nice people
2. they are 10 minutes from our home
3. they supply loaners All the time..
4.the car is dynamite. driving experience close to our last generation 325 BMW.
this car is a real sleeper.
Dislike; only that the the vinyl smells different than a european car.
this seems to be be typical of japanese cars,-all.
we are porsche, audi, and now subaru owners. (just bought a 97 legacy wagon, 2 owner 105k miles. seems very tight after 11 years.
Legacy 2.5i Limited
Automatic Transmission
VDC Package
Auto Dimming Mirror/Compass
Center Armrest Extension
Wheel Locks
Splash Guards
All Weather Mats
PZEV Emissions
I'm located in Delaware. Paid $22,100 before tax and fees.
The dealer was great. This buying experience was so much better than my previous car purchase which was painful. I settled on the Legacy after driving the Accord (ok but blah) and the Altima (hated it).
and wow reading these other trends where people get a 2.5i ltd for 23,100... i'm envious!! but then again, we Canadians have no bargaining power since dealerships know we would pay much more across the border. Congrats to all on their new legacys!
I wanted a reasonably priced daily driver with all the amenities and great gas mileage. The Limited fits the bill. It's a pretty good driver. Highway mileage has been around 25.8, but in the normal stop and go winter driving here on Long Island, it's been closer to 21. I'm pretty impressed with the paint quality. It's almost as good as the paint job on my Porsche. People complain about the power, but 170hp is plenty for all kinds of LI driving and you can use the sport mode on the automatic if you need a little extra push. At my dealer, the first oil change is free and after that, it's only $32. The service manager greets you with a handshake and a smile instead of the usual grunts I've gotten at the premium dealerships.
Dislikes? The front end is a little floaty in the wind around 65 and I might do some minor suspension mods to try and change that. The exhaust sound is kind of wimpy. The rear seating may be a little tight for some. In the cold, I notice a little buzz in the passenger side of the dash. Some of the upholstery around the rear center armrest could be sewn a little better. I'd prefer a four-year, 50K warranty. Beyond that, it's a great car. I wanted regular gas, good mileage, AWD, leather and other luxuries, a low price and a car I wouldn't be ashamed to be seen in. I also wasn't looking for another SUV like I traded. I did a lot of homework and this was the only vehicle that fit the bill. Plus, if you want to go green, you get the PZEV engine here in NY, which is as clean as some hybrids.
I had e-mailed most of the other LI dealers on pricing and they came back with figures in the mid-$23K range without any further negotiating. If price is a real concern, you could always go some distance off the Island to, say, Fitzgerald Auto Mall in Maryland, where you can pick one up and drive it back for about $1,000 under what I paid.
Hope this helps. It's a great value for the money.
"I wanted regular gas, good mileage, AWD, leather and other luxuries, a low price and a car I wouldn't be ashamed to be seen in"
Pretty much my motto as well....trying decide how important the AWD as I like the Altima SL as well...very tough choice as they both ride very nice. One question...how are your heated seats...my tester was not that hot and did not really feel on my lower back. Kind of important to me as it helps my back on longer drives...Altima was perfect in amount and location of the heat.
If you don't need AWD, there are a lot of good choices (although I'd still put the Legacy high on the list because of value and safety). I wanted it because our public agencies seem to put less and less effort into the proper plowing and sanding of our roads on the North Shore. I guess we're still not paying enough taxes here on LI.
Hey, i notice that as well, but i thought it was due to radio signals or what not
anyone else have this problem?
Subaru appears to be running lease/finance promotions as well as cash back through the end of February. We probably wouldn't be in the market until May. Can I expect similar deals at that time of year based on past history from Subaru? I believe that's around the time that the 2009 models will be out.
What's a reasonable price to expect to pay over invoice? I'm in the Colorado area and dealers here tend to be a little bit stingy when it comes to discounting popular SUVs that aren't from the big 3.
Thanks,
J
Perhaps someone else here has a recommendation for a CO dealer that gave them a good deal. Anyone?
$22,000 for a white 2.5i w/mirror and compass plus tax and tag and no other dealer "fees". This includes the $1000 rebate. Northern cities are giving 1250 on the rebate for the 2.5i and midwest (Ohio) is giving the full 1500. Invoice including destination charge is 23,864 according to the TMV report. West coast of Florida dealers would only go 22800 plus tax and tag.
So I got it for about 1800 below invoice but other cities should be able to do even better with higher rebates.
Time will tell about durability and reliability, but the Legacy feels so much more solid than the Altima, Camry or Accord. You do give up some room and no Bluetooth, but the car just has a great feel. More of a driver's car than any of them in my opinion.
I do wish for more power, but could not justify the $4,000 for a GT, given its my daily driver to work.
Unfortunately, Subaru is one of those brands that does not get a look by most consumers, particularly compared Honda, Toyota or Nissan. I have not been this pleasantly surprised by a new car in years. I am actually enjoying the ride to work! Hope you enjoy yours for many miles.
As far as rebates, I've been researching since last summer, given that we've bought two new Subarus since August. I've never seen Subaru without a rebate. If you really want rockbottom pricing and aren't too far away, Fitzgerald Auto Mall in Maryland has very low pricing. I think there's another low-priced dealer in the area, called something like Farrish. I don't know anything about the quality of their sales or service, but I have seen some good postings about Fitzgerald. I could have knocked off another $1,000 -- even with all travel costs -- if I had bought from Fitzmall, but I wanted the convenience of a local dealer.
I drove my wife's Outback in the snow on Friday and it reminded me just how solid and stable these cars are. I'm sure they're even better with winter tires. The all-season Bridgestones are somewhat of a compromise, as others have posted on various Subaru forums.
Any information on minor changes to the 2009 that would make it worth waiting for?
Thanks.
If there are any facelifts to the '09 Legacy, they'll probably be minor. You can also go to cars101.com and ask the site's host, Joe Spitz, what he's heard.
My primary concern was that the '09 MY would come out around the May timeframe and it would become difficult to still get an '08 in the color/options that she wanted. My experience with other manufacturers is that they will let inventory get very lean right up until the new ones come out, so that they don't have to offer as many incentives.
Subaru Legacy Limited w/VDC
Diamond Grey
Arm Rest Extension
Auto Dimming Mirror/Compass
Splash Guards
All Weather Floor Mats
Some friends of mine bought an Altima and let me drive it. I liked it, but the seats seemed very low to the ground. Visibility wasn't as good as I'm used to.
I agree with you about the power. At first, I thought the car was a little underpowered and that I'd just have to deal with it to get the gas mileage. Now that I'm a little more used to the gearing (and have adapted my driving style to it), I'm really fine with the 170hp and rarely need to use the sport mode. The only issue I have is wind buffeting and a little loss of stability at higher speeds. On other forums, some have suggested upgrading the front end bushings. I'm going to talk to the service manager about that, since they also do suspension mods.
Best of luck with yours. Did you end up at North Coast?
Question...I want to add the Sirius radio but even though the car is pre-wired they still want to charge $450 to put it in. I called a local car audio place who confirmed Subaru must install if pre-wired. Were you given a quote or know if other dealers may charge less?
Also, anyone heard anything good/bad/otherwise about Lynnes' Nissan Subaru of Bloomfield, NJ? Their sales agent I spoke to was kind of stumbling (told me the 2009 Legacy wouldn't be out till October, wrong!), but their prices seemed to be on the better side as I left the dealership (manager offered to get the 08 Legacy 2.5i SE down into the 19's before tax/title/delivery/etc)
I'm considering purchasing (financing) the new 2009 Legacy 2.5i SE now that they're out near me (northern NJ).
I've never purchased a new car before (my 2000 Honda was a graduation gift from high school) and I had a few questions.
I found this website: http://www.cars101.com/subaru/legacy/legacy2009.html#price
This seems to show that the dealer's invoice for the 2.5i SE Automatic is PZEV: $21,402 including destination fees.
My question and concerns and experiences have been:
1. Test drove the `08 Legacy 2.5i SE in early June. The only color I want is the Obsidian Black, and the dealerships near me did not have any in stock. They were also unable to track one down for me without a deposit.
2. A game of phone tag continued for a few weeks until I finally told the sales agent that I will wait for the 2009's because I wanted the better audio and VDC if I was buying a new car.
3. I received a call today, and the sales agent wanted me to leave a deposit over the phone. I refused, on basis that if I put down a 100.00 deposit without negotiating the price, they can then say the car is worth 30,000 and basically extort me out of my deposit.
I imagine that in the next few weeks I'll now go to that local dealership, test drive the 2009 SE just for grins & giggles, then I'll have to talk money with the people. Unfortunately, they said I don't qualify for 0% financing (at least on my own, I wanted to leave my wife off of the loan for the time being - they refused to let me test drive until they ran my credit), but I'm okay with other rates as they add only a few dollars a month.
I am assuming they're going to be looking for a deposit again, that seems to be the way to do business at this dealership. I'm pretty much not going to leave one until they 1. Appraise my trade-in Civic, which is anywhere from 3800-5000 from the dealer's blue book (we discussed the value of my trade when I did the first test drive) and 2. negotiate a price.
Back to main topic, if the dealer's invoice is $21,402, I'd like to know what exactly this price is. Is it the "the dealer paid this much money for the car, and if they sell it for anything less, they're losing money" price, or is this the "dealer expects to make a predetermined amount of profit off the car with this price."
What's the typical commission for the sales agents?
The MSRP on the vehicle is PZEV: $22,960 including destination. What kind of expectations should I have on the dealership trying to sell me the car (high 19's? low 20's?)
And lastly, what's the out-the-door price? I've heard this referred to a few times by people saying they got the car "out-the-door" for a certain amount. I'm guessing this is the price paid for the car + destination fees + titling/registration/etc fees + tax?
Tax in NJ is 7%, and assuming I do manage to negotiate for 20,000, we're talking a 1,400 tax on the car. Does tax apply to the whole sale price of 20,000, or does the value of the trade-in (say 4,200) and any down payment (say $800 for easy math), affect the tax - in other words, 15,000 * 7% tax instead of 20k?
Thanks, this is confusing as hell.
If I were you, here's what I would do:
First, if the Honda is in reasonably good shape and gets good gas mileage, I would try to sell it privately. People are looking for economical cars today.
Second, I would see if you can get a price on your car with Fitzgerald Auto Mall in Maryland -- fitzmall.com. When I was searching for my Legacy, I would go to their site and always find the lowest prices of any dealer. I've heard good things about them, but decided it was too far away from my home. I went to a local deal and paid about $1,000 more for the convenience. Depending on your location in NJ, you might give them a try. At the very least, they'll give you a bottom figure which you can use to negotiate with your local dealer.
Third, see if the '09s have the same incentives. I see the '08 SEs still come with $1,000 off, but there's nothing on the Subaru web site about '09 incentives other than the Forester. You should try to get the same with the '09 SE, plus the low-cost financing. Keep in mind, the dealer may be offering the low-cost financing as an alternative to lowering the price to the level you want. I've been able to get low financing and a low price on a new car, but to get that combination, I've usually bought a leftover and not the newest model.
Fourth, you might shoot for an '08 Limited with VDC instead. I bought mine in January ($25,400 MSRP, $22,900 sale price, good price on trade, paid cash) and I heard at that time that some people were getting Limited pricing in the high $21s. At this point, you may be able to get a very good deal on one, especially if you can be flexible on color. You'll have the VDC, leather, PZEV, etc., but you won't get the Harmon Kardon stereo. The factory audio unit is adequate and you can always upgrade it later, although you may only be able to replace the speakers and/or add a subwoofer. From what I've read, the head unit (radio/CD changer) is integrated with the climate controls, so it's apparently tough or impossible to switch to an aftermarket radio. However, you might find that you can at some point buy an '09 Harmon Kardon factory head unit and have it switched out with the one in the '08.
Fifth, during my shopping, I found that dealers exchanged cars all the time and didn't seem to have any problem with it. Your dealer should be able to get you the black one without your having to put down a deposit first. I mean, if he's telling you how great the car is and that it's worth the price he wants to charge, he should have no problem selling a black one to someone else if you change your mind.
Finally, the Legacy is apparently due for a redesign in 2010 so I'm not sure how high demand will be for the '09s. Sometimes it can help for you to let the salesperson know that.
I hope some of these pointers help. Good luck!
$21,398+$289 doc+title/tax. I am just wondering if this is worth the extra money above the 08. I can get it at $18999+$289 doc+tite/tax. I really like harman kardan sound system on the 09s 'cause I own an 08 outback and sound is pretty bad. Any thoughts? Thanks.
It's a very good price for the 2008, I think there may also be some good financing deals too.
The differences between the `09 and the `08 are the stereo (huge upgrade with audio) and the VDC being standard across the board. I'm sure you know roads aren't the best up here in NJ, and while I've never hydroplaned in my Civic, I definitely have 360'd down the Parkway in even light snow. Would VDC have helped me? Probably not as AWD would have, which is what made me look at Subarus in the first place.
I found a pretty good website for data regarding pricing and specifications. It's not nearly as pretty as Edmunds, nor does it have reviews etc, just very data-driven:
http://www.cars101.com/subaru_prices.html#legacy
This shows that the PZEV version of the 2.5i SE has a dealer invoice of $21,723 including Destination Fees (about $700).
The manual PZEV 2.5i SE is $20,811 including Destination.
$21,398 is some considerable savings under the invoice price assuming you went with the automatic (you didn't list the transmission style above.)
With tax (7%) this would take it to $22,895 which is pretty good for an all-wheel drive car with vehicle stability control. Even the new Nissan Sentras and Honda Civics on a comparably equipped vehicle will start to get into the 18's/19's (though, they are FWD only, so they have better gas mileage but you lose the AWD).
I may go talk to the sales agents down there anyway even though there aren't any good rebates. I wish I'd paid attention last year with the `08's just coming out. I'd love to know if there's going to be an "End of the Summer" or "Fall" event for the 2009's - I can last another few months to save a grand or two.
What eventually's going to have to happen for me is I'll have to convince them that I want it out the door at $22,000 before taking down payments and tradeins into consideration. Will it happen? Who knows, but I will say towards the end of the month is when you start getting some awesome deals on cars (I test drove a Hyundai Elantra for the heck of it about a year ago, and they were trying to sell me it brand new for 11,000 - about 5,500 less than the sticker MSRP!)
$22,000 out the door - Tax would mean the car would be sold for $20,460 (minus documentation) which I think is a decent price.
Anyone know if SoA tends to have similar offers later in the year compared to what they had this summer (0% financing for well-qualified buyers, $1000+ cash back)
Thanks!
I'll mull it over. Thanks for the recommendation.