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It had 14 miles on it when I got it and I've driven it an additional 350 miles during the one week I've owned it. I've been getting about 20mpg so far with 40% city and 60% hiway driving. I'm told that the mileage should improve after 1 or 2k miles are on it.
Lots of heads turn when I drive by and when it's parked, people just stare at it and give me a thumbs up. What fun!
Just curious.
2. the letter gives 2 options not 1.
3. the person at the mazda hotline told me i qualified for buy back.
4. i have read reports of low MPG.
5. excessive oil use.
6. excessive interior heat.
7. A/C cycles too much.
8. since according to mazda i qualify for buy back why not take advantage of that and test drive it for 2 weeks?
I would trust Mazda over whatever the dealer says, but just in case the dealer is correct, I would call Mazda and tell them what your dealer told you and see what they say. Better safe than sorry.
Why would you expect this to apply to someone who HASN'T YET purchased the car? What other new cars are available on the market today which will allow you to buy the car, drive it for around for a few weeks to see if you like it or not, and then buyback the car if you are not satisfied?
1. I would expect that the 8/26/03 deadline only applies to those who have taken delivery of the car. Period.
2. The 'letter' is probably a form letter sent to those who took delivery prior to 8/26. Have you actually RECEIVED the letter?
3. The person on the Mazda hotline may have either not understood that you had only ORDERED the car on 8/25 (vs. taking delivery) or they didn't understand the buyback program fully themselves.
4. Would you expect to return ANY car that didn't return the expected MPG?
5. What excessive oil use? Can you post a link regarding reports of excessive oil use in the RX-8?
6. Excessive interior heat? Huh?
7. A/C cyling too much? I'm sure dealers all over the country buyback cars all the time because of this....
8. According to Mazda? According to your dealer you do not. You haven't a letter in your possession stating you qualify. All you REALLY have is a nameless/faceless individual on the Mazda hotline telling you that you qualified for buyback.
9. Clearly KNOW there are 2 options? Or clearly WISH there are 2 options? I'm not sure how I see the dealer 'badgering' you into anything, except trying to sell a car.
If you buy the car, and receive the official buyback letter from Mazda, everything is fine. Case closed. Go have yourself a great time abusing the piss out of the car and then take it back stating you are 'dissatisfied'. But if you buy the car and DON'T receive a buyback letter, would you blame the dealer or Mazda? Could it be, possibly, maybe, that the dealer KNOWS you would not be receiving a buyback offer and is trying to let you know that up front? Could it be, possibly, maybe, that the dealer knows they gave you erroneous info initially and is simply trying to set the record straight?
OK, ok, maybe I'm being hasty. Maybe you signed the purchase order before researching the car and reading up on some of the problems folks are having. If it worries you, then don't buy the car. But I have NEVER seen a car where you couldn't find unhappy or complaining owners.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
because the dealer told me to come in before the 26th to sign the order form so i qualified for BOTH options then changed their story yesterday.
to answer your questions.
1. how do you know? where did you read this?
2. no i have not received it yet.
3. possibly.
4. no just cars that i have the buy back option on.
5. do a search on rx-8forum.com
6. do a search on rx-8forum.com
7. people all over the world that have the buy back option are going to return the cars for whatever reason they like.
8. true.
9. according to mazda i have 2 options.
Ask your dealer to knock $1500 off the negotiated price to offset the buy back/free maintenance option.
I think that would make it a fair deal, since you found out after signing any papers that the car has less then the advertised hp.
I recently checked the paper and a local dealer here in CT only has 17 in inventory.
It sounds as though you are trying to use the buyback program for something it was not intended for; an extended test drive. But now that the dealer is trying to tell you that you DON'T have two options (Mazda is telling you have 2 options? This is verbal from one individual; you don't have the official letter yet), you're getting your shorts in a wad and trying to back out. Okay, you've already sold your car. You did this, by your own acknowledgement, before this whole hp/buyback situation started. You would have already been in this 'bind' whether there was a buyback program or not. You've also said that the dealership was already offering you the $500/free maintenance. Wouldn't this pay for your rental IF YOU KEPT THE CAR?
But you seem to feel you are being taken advantage of since the dealer won't let you use the buyback program for something it was not intended for? What, is it your right as an American citizen to abuse the system? Why are you "entitled" to the buyback?
Of course, if it's really far below the estimates, then that's another thing.
16mpg is not unlikely given a city estimate of 18mpg. I don't think the EPA city cycle is that representative of most urban stop-n-go commutes. The more time spent sitting still, the lower your fuel economy. My driving is mostly local. My Pro's city estimate is 25mpg. I usually get 30mpg. But I can get as low as 23mpg in mostly standstill rush-hour traffic, and that's being easy on the throttle and brake. When you're not moving at all, you're getting 0mpg. That's why I turn off my engine when I get stuck at a RR crossing (and I just got there right after the train started crossing). This is why hybrids shine in local traffic compared to highway traffic (new Prius is estimated to get 60 city / 50 hwy); they can turn off the gas engine when the vehicle is stopped.
I think the highway cycle is at a fairly relaxed pace as well. Must be around 45-50mph. I'll have to poke around the EPA site for this data.
With my own experience, my car has performed rather well. The only concern I have is with the gas mileage. I use the car as a second car, just to drive after work and on weekends...and the MPG has been poor (for such a relatively large tank). I've read where that might just be the breaking in period of the vehicle, but I'm not sure. I don't drive the vehicle hard or push it into high RPMS. Most of the time, I keep it around 4000 RPMS or lower, so the gas shouldn't be used so quickly...especially when I don't drive it that much. The air conditioning or interior heat hasn't been a problem in the least bit. Matter of fact, the car cools instantly and properly. Much better than other cars I've been in so that must be isolated instances. The oil problems has to be isolated as well.
From the people who I have talk to, they have never heard of a manufacturer giving the options that Mazda has (mainly the buyback option). I got my car in July, and though I'm not totally unhappy with the RX-8, there is just too much going around that concerns me about the car. Anyway, if people can take advantage of the buyback option (no matter what reason), they shouldn't be criticized for it. Personally, I didn't realize the MPG shortage until I drove it for about a month. Obviously, test drives are worthless in that regard.
They're posted as 18/24 right? Well, when I'm driving 100 miles a day with an 80/20 ratio of highway/city, I would expect to get better than 16-17 mpg. And that discrepancy really adds up over time. It's a real hassel filling up every 2.5 days at $30 a pop out here in CA.
I love the car and am willing to overlook the poor gas mileage if the prices come down from MSRP.
I was in San Francisco last week on business. Putnam (sp?) Mazda, which I take it is a large dealer, had 4 of them sitting in the front. I stopped in just to "chat" and they said that they got them in Thursday. Two were sold the same day and the sales guy said the remaining ones had a deposit on them given over the phone so they would hold them until the potential purchasers could get to the dealership to see them.
I have heard of some dealers charging above MSRP. While shooting the breeze with a sales rep, he said that everyone they get in is either pre-sold or sold within 24 hours of hitting the lot. They had 4 in stock...right in front of the dealership, but 2 were sold, waiting for the dealership to do delivery preparation and the other 2 had a deposit on them already.
I find the same thing where I live in the midwest. I just dound one dealer out of the 4 locals that charges above MSRP. I can't imgaine why they are able to do this other than the fact they are probably the largest dealer in the area and probably get more RX8s to sell. If you want one delivered today, they can do it. It's just going to cost you above MSRP.
I have a friend who lives in Orlando. He's been trying to buy one there for a month but can't find any AVAILABLE stock. So, he ended up ordering one. He gets his in Oct.
It's obvious to me that the inventory on these is now starting to increase and the dealers are finally willing to discount.
I didn't want GPS so the deal didn't go through.
I agree with others that the RX-8 and Z-350 have a niche (maybe a slice of a niche) market and prices will eventually drop. But they are still a good value at MSRP.
A month ago I wasn't even considering a car and vowed long ago never to buy a new car. But I got the fever bad and will be buying an RX or Z-350 soon.
Thank god there's only 3 RX-8 threads active right now.....
live and learn.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I'm just not too thrilled on how Mazda brought this car out. I was really excited about this car (so I didn't mind paying MSRP like many others who got the car right away), but like I said before, that was based on accurate specs and the fact I believed it wouldn't be discounted ($1600.00) so much...so quickly. The fact that Mazda made the HP mistake (with all the time they had to get it right) is at the core of my dissatisfaction. 9 HP isn't much but the fact that the error was even made (with another Mazda vehicle) irritates me. I wonder what other miscalculations they made. So, since you were wondering, that is what I'm "most aggravated" about.
MSRP: 31850
Invoice: 29139
Holdback on 6MT: 534
Real dealer cost 28605
Dealer "profit": 1495, 5.2%
This is in the "good deal" range as defined by Consumer Reports (4 to 8% above real cost).
I also got 3 other similar quotes from 3 other dealers that were a couple hundred higher.
Who would have thought "deals" on RX-8s would be so readily available in September?
I ended up not buying because they did not have the car in stock, but I highly recommend the Mazda dealer in Flemington, NJ. John MacChesney was the salesman I dealt with. He and his sales manager gave me the best quote right away, and did everything they could for me, and with relatively little pressure. They would have had to retrieve the car from 160 miles away, which I was not thrilled with so I didn't make a deal.
I ended up buying an Infiniti G35 last night for 2200+ off sticker. It was a great deal I could not pass up and I figured even better (like $1000 lower) deals on RX-8s are about a month or two away, but I didn't feel like waiting any more. Good luck to all you RX-8ers.
lol....8^)
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
anyhoo... it never hurts to have the info. on hand, right?
plus, i'm really curious to get a handle on the market for this car. seems to be quite a bit of debate on what dealers are getting for it.
And, final reason is illuminated said he got good offers from 4 dealers and I'm sure there are many buyers who would read this and really like to find out where they can get these deals.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
The RX7 is excluded from that and it is POSSIBLE that the 8 will be excluded from that as well.
there are no guarantees either way with any car.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
The unit had 400 miles on it. It wasn't perfect. I tried to deal. Asked 32000 out-the-door. All they said was $34850.00 out the door. The wife and I said no and walked. I came home and did some research and found out about the "buy back".
I went to three dealers in my area and that was the only Demo.
My questions are:
1. Has anyone seen a Bought back unit?
2. And are they for sell?
3. If so, would they put "Demo" on the window instead of used?
Bill
PS.
My unit in question was bbcc 1.3L 2rtr 6M 1GT and chrome wheels $1455~.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Mazda provided all the dealers some units that were designated as "demo units". The way my dealer explained it, the units could only be used as demo units and couldn't be sold for a period of time (it was either 30 or 60 days, but I don't remember the exact period). There may have been a mileage rider on them, too.
As brozen said, if it's been titled to someone else, it's a used car. If not, then it probably is one of the dealer's demos.
Performance is the same as the trade rags said, even with the restated HP. Mazda is sending $500 debit cards and free maintenance to those affected. But, I think the cut-off date was 8/26, or there abouts, to take advantage of that offer. So you probably wouldn't qualify.
From all reports, even the few used ones that are out there are going at or near MSRP. If I were you, I'd forget about the demo and get a brand new one since the cost is the same.
It sounds like they are asking MSRP even for the demo units.