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Our 03 Discovery did exactly that, MANY TIMES! There was always a problem with the vehicle, most of the time involving some electrical problem. The last problem: stopped at a Starbucks (we live in one of those snobby neighborhoods in So. Cal.), came back, started the engine, and the M and S lights in the panel started blinking. My wife checked the manual (I love her!!!) and noticed that if this condition appear you should take the vehicle to a dealer. Instead, she tried to drive home (closer to where she was) and the thing completely loss power in the middle of a busy freeway. She and the baby were in the car. Turned everything off and then back on. Same result. Eventually she made it to safety and we took the car to the dealer. Their answer? The battery is low. Go figure. They replaced the battery and we had the same (and many other problems) at least once a week. We were on a first name baisis with the tow-truck drivers at Land Rover Recovery.
We finally sold the problem and got an Infiniti crossover (we owned Infiniti's in the past and are very happy with them). No, we can't go off road, but we have a QX4 (older Infiniti) as a third car and makes it to the same places we used to take our Discovery. By the way, this was NOT our first Land Rover; we just didn't learn the first time. So,... to all Land Rover (and specially the LR3 owners): I sincerely wish you GOOD LUCK! As for us,... we will wait a few years before we even look at the LR3, and this time we WILL read all consumer reviews if we decide to go LR again (we knew about issues with the Discovery, but because it looked "trendy" I decided to ignore them: shame on me!
By the way. The dealer: Land Rover Encino (stay away from them). As far as LRNA, don't waste your time; they are no help at all and are always on the side of the dealer.
Last, to answer the question: "How many modern vehicles really just 'stop working' while driving?" Well, only one that I know of: Land Rover Discovery 03s
Anyway, we should probably move any more Disco venting to the Discovery forum.
Thanks for the post. Your comment on LRNA being no help bothers me. Could you give us one or two examples?
Lexus NA offered to pay for half of the costs to replace my A/C system 1 year after the warranty expired on the LS400 that I used to own. The dealership picked up another one fourth so I only paid 25% for a new A/C system. They told me that they feel bad about A/C only lasted for 5 years. In their estimate, it should have lasted a lot longer.
I guess I shouldn't expect similar treatment from LRNA or the LR dealership...
I am curious about the ipod auxillary jack in the HSE that you mentioned. I have grown quite fond of the convenience and ability to have access to over 1000 songs within arms reach in my car and not shuffle cd's in and out of the disc changer.
I currently use the cassette deck in my Passat to connect to my ipod, which then plays the ipod's songs through the car's speakers. But, the LR3 does not come with a cassette deck, as I don't think any automobiles are manufactured with cassette decks anymore, so I am wondering if the auxillary jack connects to the speaker system in the LR3 so as to play your songs on your ipod through the sound system or does it just keep your ipod charged?
FYI: The LR3 6-disc changer does play MP3 encoded audio files on data CD... so you can encode multiple CDs or track compilations onto 700MB discs you can put in the changer. Not as much as a hard drive, but not bad.
I was able to get $500 off sticker on the LR3 but the dealer won't budge past $49,000 for the Range Rover trade though. I am a little concerned about the gas mileage. I averaged 15.6 mpg on the Range Rover which I was always happy with but have read some very low mpg figures on the new LR3. Does anyone have any experience yet?
I am adding the rear DVD player ($2000) and XM
satelite ($350) to the base model with the rear seat package. The Range Rover has been the best car/truck I have ever owned and I never had any reliability problems others have encountered. I drove the LR3 and decided it was not worth paying
$20,000 extra for some fancy wood trim. Besides, the 3rd seat is a winner with the kids and it drives just as nice.
If you miss the TV, transcript can also be found below:
http://www.pbs.org/mpt/motorweek/search.shtml
0-60 tested to be 8.0 sec. as factory stated.
Handling didn't get high remarks. "With a maximum weight of almost 5,800 pounds, and a tall center of gravity, the LR3 is no sports car. Front end push is heavy, and there's plenty of body roll."
Comfort level is not quite at the level of the 'top dog' Range Rover but close.
I disagree with their 3rd row seats comment. I am 6' 1" and my head barely touches the roof when I sit in the 3rd row. That's better than many luxury SUVs in the segment. I would not want to sit in them for a long time though.
The commanding view and ultra-quiet cabin made the drive easy and relaxing. Even at 90+mph, the LR3 was smooth, quiet, and rock-steady. We make a 400 mile round-trip regularly to visit family. The LR3 makes this frequent trip much easier. Instead of driving 2 cars to accomodate the entire family, we saved gas by piloting the LR3 with everyone safely aboard. Loading and unloading our luggage, stroller, shopping bags, etc. was easy and convenient.
Of course the LR3 is a truck, so I do not expect it to drive like my BMW, but on the country roads, over hill & dale, across bridges, over railroad tracks, and on gravel roads the LR3 always went exactly where I pointed it, with minimum fuss. The LR3 provided the right stability and feedback on several s-curves & switchbacks. The BMW inspired transmission with 3 modes, including a manual mode, was delightful as it always chose the right gear. When using manual mode, the controls are intuitive and perfectly responsive.
I also love the brakes... easy to modulate to a smooth stop, unlike these ridiculous brake-by-wire systems on the E-class and new 5-series. Everything in the LR3 is where it should be and the ergonomics, console & controls are very intuitive. We love the familiarity of radio dials, HVAC knobs, and other simple buttons.
My wife, toddler and I have been planning a trip from Chicago to Houston to Louisiana back to Chicago. I finally agreed with my wife to take a 2,000 mile roadtrip (instead of flying), after driving the LR3 this weekend. The money we will save by not flying, will make up for the not-so-great gas mileage and the savings we might have incurred if we waited until the LR3 could be had below MSRP. Generally, I hate long roadtrips, but the LR3 is going to allow our little family to see more of America up close.
Go check out the LR3, you will not be disappointed.
Chase
With all the conversation concerning the heated windshield in past posts I thought I should examine it again as that is the kind of thing that would really bother me while driving.
What I found is that if your eyes focus on the windshield itself you can definitely see the lines in it. You would never do this while driving as you would loose the focus on the road ahead of you. When your focused on the road its impossible for me to see the lines. In my opinion its not an issue.
My dealer has plenty of SE's available for sale at A plan pricing and is currently looking for a HSE for me. He indicated it could be 4 or 5 months before they can find one for me and thats fine with me.
you still have to plug it into the lighter to keep it charged.
occasionally there is some puzzling feedback or electronic noise that sneaks in when i have the ipod plugged in. anyone else notice this? it is not always a problem.
this is a step up, overall, from the cassette adapter, but i look forward to a day when there is a little cradle as oem that will accept the ipod and keep it charged.
the sound system, by the way, in my lr3 is outstanding.
and....did a mostly highway roadtrip this weekend and loved every minute of driving. averaged 17.5 mpg overall with 90% of time on freeway doing 80'ish.
also discovered an interesting safety feature...had to stop quickly when encountering backed up traffic on the freeway and emergency blinkers started automatically upon applying brakes hard.
and was surprised not to see even one other lr3 this weekend on sf bay area roads.
centralcoaster
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks
Last year the plans weren't in effect until Jan. 1st.
Always note the disclaimer: Specifications subject to change.
Remember, this is the same company that also posted the SE "Hi ICE" stereo has rear remote audio controls, the PTI/Bluetooth and Radio is operated "touchscreen", used '05 Range Rover GUI pictures, etc. Errors happen.
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Steve, Host
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This says a lot about the American culture and the blue state vs. red state dichotemy.
I'm not sure how the new Jeep system works, but I'm sure it is very good. I like to believe the Land Rover system is superior though. I would advise you to try both vehicles.
I am getting (all from my dealer):
-Sill Plates front / rear
-Off Road Driving Lamps
-Side Door Ding Protectors
Let us know,
Nomad
The LR3 is heaviest in class. Don't expect miracles.
We've seen real MPG of 14-15 mixed use. Your mileage may vary. (Ahem.) 10.5 MPG is unlikely once the engine/transmission learns it's groove... unless you drive like it's a sports car all the time.
The car gets 11.3 MPG driving around town and about 17 MPG on flat highway at sea level going about 70MPH.
The only design flaw on the car is the inability to fold/unfold the 3rd row seats from the trunk. I wish they had designed the seat so that it only requires a single flip of a lever to fold or unfold the seat, at that there are levers to do so standing from the middle door and from the trunk.
David
Rick
Would you say an employee of Target or Walmart who gets a discount is being bribed to buy their products? Discounts are perks/rewards that employers offer employees and vendors.
I can get employee discounts on both Ford and GM products but my last vehicle purchase was a Honda Pilot. I purchased what met my needs at the time.
Thanks
Let me give two examples. A lobsterman sells his lobsters to a restaurant. When it comes time to go out with his family, shouldn't his natural inclination be to patronize his customer, not another restaurant? And shouldn't he pay the same price as anyone else? Or, a local tire company buys fuel for their fleet of service trucks from a local gas station. Shouldn't the gas station owner try to buy his tires from them?
I wonder what the public would think if they knew that in order to get the vendors of various components to buy the finished product, the vehicle manufacturer had to give a special discount? How much confidence would they have in the quality of the parts and the whole sales process?
The issue of employee discounts is a separate issue and one in which I see a a lot of benefit to having the employees use the products they make/sell.
It's really a perk more than anything. If you're really concerned about "give-aways", look at the car rental companies and ask why Hertz has mostly Ford products while National has mostly GM.
Almost every business offers their employees a discount (assuming a consumer product is being made), and many offer their vendors a discount as well.
In the end, it sells more product for the company, gets the product out into the marketplace, and supposedly can generate additional sales.
If you're really upset about this, move to a socialist country. They have all the answers.
Steve, Host
Since it's testing, they were not doing 60mph all the time. Let's say the average speed was 25mph. They have driven your new car for FOUR hours!!
Has anybody heard of a 100-mile test drive by any dealer? I'd insist on a detail break down of how the miles went.
Are you sure they didn't continue to use your car as a demo or one of their 'executives' borrowed it for a joy trip?
Last week I went to the local dealer, sat in the LR3 and was so disappointed with the quality of the interior. The VW blows it away.
Ford is crazy if they think they can sell a $55,000 SUV that doesn't feel like a luxury interior. If I needed a 3rd row seat, I would have bought the Toyota Landcruiser and not worried in the least about reliability.
The Touareg and Toyota Landcruiser are in my opinion the best values out there in SUV's.
To those of you who bought an LR3, I wish you good luck, and hope it turns out to be trouble free, but I am skeptical.