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And then you have a 2k SAVINGS.
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Yea, calling the 500 a bargain...I am not sure about that. You forgot to mention the motor which is - at best underpowered......and the interior that is nothing special.
For example (Ford):
5 year/60,000 mile warranty
-transmission blew on Taurus at 61,000 and had to pay a couple thousand for it
(wouldn't happen with a Hyundai! (10 year/10,000 mile)
-several "Check Engine" light appearances - $80 diagnosis at dealership per visit
(no, it was not the gas cap!)
-"Airbag" light switches on to this day (why do i want to pay to get if fixed?)
-headlight switch falls off (was recalled, still broken)
-power seat broken
-steering wheel vinyl peeling
-broken A/C vent switch
These are the problems I have encountered that I have just thought of now. I know this has nothing to do with the 2006 Sonata discussion, but I want to prove how all of these problems would have been fixed under warranty by Hyundai.
Thanks!
I'm so desperate to either get one from Hyundai... or at least get the bracket to put my own in (the faceplate on the current US stereo is larger than the normal double din, so we would need a new dash frame there)
Now the two cars you are comparing are like comparing apples to oranges, 2000 Ford Taurus to a 2005 Hyundai. Those 5 years make a big difference in quality. That's like comparing my 94 Hyundai to my 99 Ram to the 02 Solara.
As for the Check Engine light. Autozone would have checked it for free.
But in all, I love the New Sonata have test driven two V6's and a four banger. The six is sweet and handles great. As for the interior the reviewers are comparing this car to cars costing much more. I think that Hyundai has done it's research but I will wait a few months to see how the car holds up. I live in the South with average 90+ daily weather with avg 95+ heat index with high humidity. That will definitely tell you if a car will last for a long time with in a few months because of the daily AC use in traffic.
I also thought the last gen. Sonata had improved to above average for repair frequency.
I do agree that the new Sonata without discounts is far from the good deal it was in the past. The new Fusion looks like it will offer just as much for lower $$$, and the going rate for the Malibu (an excellent, sophisticated car with some styling quirks) is considerably less. I doubt whether Hyundai will be able to hold these prices. Early buyers will be kicking themselves when they read Edmunds in about six months.
Isn't that an inherent risk of buying any car? There was also evidence that the previous generation Sonata had decent, or even above average quality. I'm not making a comment on what it actually is/was, just pointing out that it wasn't all doom and gloom. If you read through the problems/solutions thread, the only people posting there are the ones that DID have a problem. It's not necessarily representative of the whole population of those cars.
Transmission issues or transmission issue . . . so there was a Sonata with a transmission that broke at 5,000 miles, however I think it's unfair to extrapolate that to be a "major issue" with the previous generation Sonata because I'd hazard a guess the vast majority of transmissions did not fail at 5,000 miles.
I bought an Elantra a year ago and I read some anecdotal evidence on the Edmunds boards of problems with the model, which of course made me slightly nervous. But in it's first year, the car has been almost flawless . . . certainly no major issues. I think I would have had slight apprehension over any car purchase I could have made a year ago.
Hyundai cars have been significantly improving with each redesign in recent years, I personally expect the new Sonata to follow that trend.
This guy seems to say cartridge style
We got 4 2006 Sonatas in today, and man these will totally change the way people look at Hyundai! The seats are the most comfrotable seats in any Hyundai, and are definitly on par with Toyota and Honda. The layout of the interior is great, with the radio up nice and high, and all the trim and switches look nicer too. Underhood, everything looks very clean, the oil filter is a cartridge style and is under the engine cover. Since it has a timing chain in place of a belt, that costly 60k service should be cheaper, and the spark plugs are good for 100,000 miles. This is one impressive car, I should be able to snag a set of keys tomarrow and test drive one
As for previous comments on Ford 500, I think 205HP is not that bad for a family car. All the reviews that I have read on the 500 state that the car actually has pretty good pickup because of the CVT transmission. Personally, I think it is a pretty decent car for the price (rebates, financing, etc), but too boring for me.
One of these days I am going to make it down to the Hyundai dealer to drive an 06 Sonata LX, but there is no way I am ready to give up my 02 Altima SE yet. Not one problem so far, and I have yet to drive a sedan (minus a BMW and an Audi) which matches the quickness and fun factor of this car...
I have not seen one yet. I live there too. My wife saw one last week though, I'm jealous!
That's more or less how I judge my personal style tastes. I'll note that certain car models seem to stand out for me repeatedly (in both positive and negative ways). It's one thing to look at a picture of a car by itself or see it sitting in a showrrom, but if it catches my eye among 10s of other models all in the same driving scene, then that means something to me. Hopefully I'll get to find out what I think of the Sonata's styling soon!
I've sen a lot of packs by dealers; but $2897. on a $20 to 25K car???
I'm waiting to see tha Azera; & will buy the Azera or Sonata later this year; but it won't be from a dealer who believes I'm dumb enough to think the car is worth $2900. over sticker.
I mean who's ever heard of a new technology with that sort of effect? Did airbags do that? (Anyone know?) That fact that ABS didn't have any measurable effect and SC has such a huge one ought to make it front page news in my book.
What Ford is thinking is anybody's guess. (Apparently they *really* don't like stability control for some reason. Mazada 6's don't have it, either - I'd guess that was some sort of Ford thing, too.) (Can you tell I'm slightly peeved by what I'm guessing is an "American's is too dumb for this technology" attitude? :-) ">link title
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http://www.hyundai-forums.com/2006-Hyundai-Sonata-code12-cid111.htm
http://www.hyundai-forums.com/2006-Hyundai-Sonata-code12-cid99.htm
4 banger
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/428481
As for the "Market Adjustment" hype-on, I'd refuse to pay that if I were shopping my Hyundai-Kia-Scion dealer for a new rig. I know that Scion doesn't add those "Market Adjustment" stickers to their cars at all. If somebody does get a lower price on their Scion the dealership is required (under contract from Toyota) to post that price and sell that model for that lower price to anyone and everyone that wants that same model. Those "Adjustments" are a ripoff and I'd flat-out refuse to let them be added to my vehicle's purchase price.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
But I have to agree with you on the price hiking..its outrageous up here in the Upstate area...tacking on $499 paint protection, etc. etc.
But that's no different from what the Honda/Toyota dealers do around here.
The ONE thing I can say I like about my buying experience with Nissan is the fact that most of the "accessories" items are added at the port...
For example, my car has splash guards from the port...they were $120., if I had wanted to buy them seperate, they would have wanted around $250 for them.
That's crazy...
But regardless, the Sonata is turning out to be a truly competitve car for the Big Asian 3...which leads me to believe that after college, I'll be giving Hyundai a serious look...
If this helps to allay your fears, my 2000 Sonata GLS V6 is still marching on strong! What's more, I still have my 10 year powertrain warranty and I'm looking forward to stepping up to the new LX soon. I have no inhibitions whatsoever about quality.
Please tell me that isn't so.
Has anyone seen a GLS on the damn lot?? I can't to save my life.
Like so many others on this board I am impressed and interested in the 2006 Sonata LX, my only problem is the 17" tires. They cost twice as much to replace, don't last nearly as long as 16"ers, and I can't imagine they would be too good in snow. Yes 16s are available on a GLS but at the loss of several options and I don't much care for the wheels. Any thoughts.
Maybe Hyundai will give people the option of "downgrading" to 16" tires on the LX. I think Toyota does that with the Camry SE.
http://www.filtercouncil.org/techdata/tsbs/00-2.pdf
"This change from a spin-on filter to the new cartridge filter offers several
advantages. The first and most obvious is filter disposal. The disposal cost of a
cartridge filter is far less than that of a spin-on filter. This is also an attempt by the
individual OE manufacturers to establish standardized oil filter cartridge sizes,
thereby eliminating the number of different part numbers required to service a
particular brand of vehicle. The new cartridge filter housing will also be located
on the top or side of the engine compartment making them accessible from
above without the need to raise the vehicle.
Today's cartridge style filter housings are designed with a screw on type cap and
a single housing sealing gasket. The housings are also self draining enabling the
filter housing to be drained back into the engine prior to the filter change-out.
After the housing is drained the housing top is then unscrewed and the used filter
cartridge and housing sealing gasket removed without any unnecessary oil
leakage. The new filter is then installed in the housing or fitted to the housing
There is also a variation to the complete cartridge replacement. The same style
of housing is used but instead of replacing the complete cartridge only the used
pleated paper media pack and sealing gasket are replaced. The media pack end
caps as we know them today would be reusable and only the paper pack itself
would be replaced.
The cartridge style filter is back and will be the oil filter configuration of the future."
Re the GLS... take the GL, and on the outside add alloys, a chrome trim strip running along the bottom of the side windows (ala Camry), and fog lamps. Not much difference there. In the interior, the main differences are the seat fabric (GLS has a nubby fabric, the GL a smoother fabric with little zig-zag accents) and the trim on the dash and center console. The GL has faux aluminum that IMO looks better than the faux metal on the GLS. But the GLS' beige interior has faux wood, if you like that sort of thing. There are some other feature differences that you can look up on the hyundaiusa.com website. Drive-wise, they should drive the same in 4-cylinder automatic guise, if both have the standard 16" wheels, so if that's the powertrain you are looking for you can drive the GL to get an idea of how the GLS drives. But if you don't like the manual seat adjusters on the GL, note that the GLS has an optional power seat available.
These dealer markups on the new Sonata are a real joke. No wonder those dealers haven't sold many. Do they think this is 1985 and there aren't any number of good alternatives to the Sonata, available at big discounts?
and does anybody from jersey knows for how much the LX is selling? and has anybody from jersey purchased any yet!, will love to "hear" your comments!, any recommendations? advice maybe? thanks!
I'm looking for the lx with package 3.
The tires on it have a 10 rating for winter traction.
Look at this web site for the tires.
http://www.michelinman.com/catalog/tires/MichelinPilotMXM4.html
I have an LX on order. My dealer is offering free tires for life if I get the car serviced at their shop.