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I believe I read somewhere that Toyota may debut the Camry at the North American International Autoshow in Detroit (beginning of January), which would be a first.... no Camry sedan redesign has ever debuted at an Auto Show. Certainly, the marketplace is different now, much more competitive with entries like the new Sonata and Fusion, and I think this makes sense. I still expect a March 2006 launch.
~alpha
There's increased competition nowadays though. Fusion/Milan and Sonata come to mind.
I saw a dark red Milan on the highway today. It was a fairly loaded Premier model. Looked pretty good. At least it stood out.
BTW, Does anybody think Toyota has to make the ride sportier for the 07 model Camry since the Altima and Accord have a sportier ride than the current Camry? I also think the interior on the Camry needs to have pizzaz to it like the current Solara. I have continually complained about how bland the current Camry interior is.
The Labor Day birthday was a little artificial. It was done because new models required new tooling and that took 4-6 weeks to install. It was always done during the UAW's July shutdown. What I dont know is which came first. The UAW got July off for all its worker so the companies decided to do the change over then. Or whether the companies decided to retool in July and gave the UAW the month of July as vacation.
this is happening ?
Tokyo Motor Show
After all, the largest pool of Camry buyers is right here in America. Camrys are built in America.
I would think a NAIAS intro is the most appropriate, since the largest amount of buyers will be Americans.
I am 100% sure someone will complain about the styling of the new model no matter what it looks like.
I think the most interesting part is to see what they do with engines. We know the hybrid will be a 4cylinder so they have done something different than Honda. But what will the V6 engine be? A lot of people are speculating it will be the 3.5 litre but insiders seem to be hinting it will be the 3.3 SE engine. The new Rav4 is going with the 3.5 and the larger Highlander only has the 3.3. Will the Camry go with the 3.5 as well or will Camry stay with the 3.3 to be different from the Avalon? A couple more months and we should have a lot of answers. I can't wait :-).
I also think that there might be an 'agreement' with the other two. Nissan has the larger engine always and HonYota has the same engine. Nissan hs the edgy styling and HonYota has the upscale look. The Nissan is more agressive in driving, Honda is sporty and Yota is much quieter. Take your pick.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I feel that the engines we'll see are the 166 horse 2.4L Dual VVTi to be introduced in the RAV4, and an iteration of the 268 horse 3.5L in the Avalon/RAV4, both mated to a 5 speed auto. Forget manuals for the V6, and I wont be surprised if they're gone for the 4, though I hope not....
~alpha
All Toyota/Lexus V6 trucks and truck-based SUVs will have the 4.0 GR.
All Toyota/Lexus V6 cars and car-based SUVs/minivans will have the 3.5 GR, except the IS250.
~alpha
As to the wagon, the reasonable guessing is to have separated model with more luxury wagon as MB R350 if it along with similar model from BMW and Audi (Q7) sell well. For now, Toyota want you to buy Highlander for higher price and more profit in addition to tons of option and gimmicks.
motownusa- the new 3.0L in the GS300 is actually pretty torquey, much more torquey than, for example, the 3.0L that Honda uses in the Accord. Its peak torque is fairly low on the tach... have you driven a GS? It doesnt feel nearly as listless as some of the naysayers would have want you to believe. Yes, the 3.5L should be the engine, but it is coming, and like you said, this is a stopgap measure.
~alpha
I have driven the GS300 but not the current 06 one. I drove an 02 Loaner about 3 years ago. I believe that car has a different 3.0L engine than the current one, doesn't it ? Anyway, the car was very peppy with more than enough power for everyday driving. Since I haven't driven any new Toyotas or Lexus with the new 3.5L engine I don't know how it would compare. But you are right, from a performance point of view the 3.0L engine certainly isn't underpowered by any means. My point was when there is a more fuel efficient and yet more powerful 3.5L engine available it doesn't make any sense to continue on with the 3.0L engine. As far as the Camry getting a 3.3L engine rather than the 3.5L, it is still speculation by auto magazine and not set in stone. I don' t think it will be too difficult to build a destroked 3.3L engine that could still produce 240 + Hp. From a performance point of view 240 Hp should be enough for the V6 Camry. It would also set the Camry apart from the Avalon which I think Toyota wants to do.
Putting the 3.5 into the Rav4 definitely throws a curve into the market. The 3.0 would've made sense here, as the CR-V is the main competition, and doesn't offer a V-6. Toyota musta been thinking ahead and believes the nex CR-V will get Honda's Big 6.
I say, for the record, Camry gets 3.5 rated at 30HP less than Avalaon's 2006 SAE adjusted HP. It will get 23/30.
The GS350 is 300+ HP in 2008. V8 adds at least 50HP, probably more.
The IS300 comes for 2008 as well with 245HP.
What the plan is for a clearly overwhelmed 2.5, THAT is the question! :confuse:
DrFill
The Camry I believe ( post on Hybrid News forum today ) will concentrate on the 2.4L 4c since it's already nearly 85% of sales. To do this I think the HSD 4c 'replaces' the current 3.0L with the same HP and performance but 100% better gas mileage.... at the same price differential as the current 3.0L V6; i.e. ~ $2500
This allows them to produce even MORE 4c Camry's ( better production & lower costs ) and it improves the CAFE averages. It also allows them to attract a different segment of buyer .. a V6 driver concerned abt the environment, who wants a 'full-sized' midsized car with good performance. This might not be a current Toyota owner but a 'conquest sale'.
I think that they will keep some version of the 3.3L just to satisfy the traditional V6 driver but possibly only in the XLE model loaded up but not intruding on the Avalon
My feeling is that you will be proven wrong. The 3.3L that is currently available will be terminated, and I dont see Toyota reducing the Camry trim lines on which a V6 is available- the V6, for example, sets the Avalon apart from its competition and would be a competitive advantage in the midsize segment as well- especially if it can hit 22/31 like the Avalon does- the Accord V6 produces 24 fewer horses, 30 foot pounds fewer torque, and doesnt hit that hwy number.
Toyota always has cafe in mind, but with each generation of engines, its cars are becoming more fuel efficient. The Yaris will take a big bite into raising CAFE averages for the model line, on a sales weighted basis, if it can hit its projections. That, and the new RAV4 which is more efficient, Avalon which is more efficient than the model it replaces, etc...
IMO, if Toyota doesnt into this Camry in LE, SE, and XLE all having an available V6 (either the *NEW* 3.0L or the 3.5L) it will be shooting itself in the foot. The game is marketing, and Toyota doesnt usually mis-step, but when it does, OUCH!
(think: T100, ECHO)
~alpha
You'll have to cite some reference here because in our region/store it's 90%+ 4c. Right now 70% of all inventory is base LE (20%) or the Standard version ( 50% ). I'm open to being proven wrong though
IMO, if Toyota doesnt into this Camry in LE, SE, and XLE all having an available V6 (either the *NEW* 3.0L or the 3.5L) it will be shooting itself in the foot. The game is marketing, and Toyota doesnt usually mis-step,
As you know the Camry is never perceived as a performance vehicle and ( it may be by agreement in Japan ) it always has the smallest engine in its class vis-a-vis Honda and Nissan. It aims ( marketing ) at the center of the market where performance is the last of the factors in a buying decision. They may start out with an LE V6 in March but like now I believe it will be a non-seller. Why would someone pay the same price for a V6 @ 27 combined EPA vs an HSD 4c with the same performance @ 40 combined EPA.
Now the SE model w/ the 3.5L, THAT might be something to drive.
but when it does, OUCH!
(think: T100, ECHO)
Did you notice how they learn and react immediately tho. They seem to take a first step and test the waters. Then BOOM! a top notch product
T100 ( beloved but ) --> Tundra ---> FTX '08
Echo ( yuck ) ----> xA and xB ( cant keep them in stock ) + Yaris
If 100k Camry sales are V6, the SE probably wasn't any more than 20k. The cost to tuned two engines, when you aren't making suspension or transmission improvements to improve sales, just doesn't justify.
Either make a sports sedan version, or don't. The current SE is hardly a real effort to make one.
DrFill
www.carsontoyota.com
~alpha
~alpha
I drove a friend's Lexus RX 330 and also a rental Solara recently, both of which have has the 3.3 V6 and I cannot say I was as pleased. Although supposedly more powerful, the 3.3 was just not as satisfying, felt less like a car engine and more like an SUV/Minivan engine (which is probably the more common application of this engine anyway). Just did not feel as much in control. :mad:
You also are comparing a V6 in a car to a V6 in a much heavier SUV, and the 3.3L has greater emissions controls and is hooked up to a different transmission than youre used to. The comparison is so far from apples to apples, Im not sure it means very much.
~alpha
My vote is for a big fuel economy boost.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Thats my guess, anyway, but I bet its correct.
~alpha
DrFill
Honda just did the same thing for the power, but didn't see any improvement in mileage. Why do you think Toyota will eek out 2 MPG on top of the performance boost?
The biggest thing Toyota could do to improve the highway MPGs is to reduce the coefficient of drag for the body. Bucking the wind takes over 50% of your power at highway speeds. A reduction from the current 0.29 to 0.26 or so should improve highway MPGs by 5% or so.