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They want Chevy, Cadillac and Saturn as stand alones, and BPG a combo dealer. Not a bad plan, really.
Here, the LM dealer that changed hands 3 times in 4 years finlly closed.
The closest LM dealer to me is now 25 miles away.
There are 4 Cadillac dealers closer than that.
They should combine them with Ford dealers and require a physically separate area, like Toyota does with Scion dealerships.
I, for one, would like to see Ford Motor Company offer a personal coupe that is a bit larger, more luxurious, and more refined than a Mustang. Cougar, anyone?
By the way, if Mercury goes the way of Oldsmobile, I volunteer to comfort Jill in any way that she would be willing to accept.
You, me and every other guy! That would be a long line indeed.
Say I bring my Lincoln for service. Now what, I have to go to stay in line with all other Ford owners? I will get the same level of service as Ford owners? Lincoln is not supposed to be Ford’s Scion, for sure. Even Saturn has its own dealerships for Gd’s sake. Why would I bother to buy Lincoln? Buying Buick (given that Buick gets serious about making cars) I do not have to share my experience with Chevrolet owners.
Who else is going to the LA Auto show to see the production MKS? I've put opening day on my schedule.
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Lastly, I hope it was just a bad angle because the rearend didn't look that good to me.
And is it just me but the third picture, where the car is partially hidden behind a pillar, the slanting roofline at the back is Lexus GS'ish? Frankly I like the look of the GS so this is okay by me.
It is kinda like looking at the Sears Christmas Wishbook in the middle of July as a kid. You earmark the pictures and keep coming back even though you won't get anything for a while.
They also said, the pictures do not capture the car. That there is a presence and weight in the design of the car that isn't captured in the pictures.
I won't be going to LA for the show but I sure look forward to the press coverage and learning more details. Will we have direct injection at launch? What kind of HP and torque? How long before we have the Twinforce? When will production start?
Unless there are some negative surprises, I will own an MKS shortly after they become available.
"We got a preview of the new Lincoln MKS on Monday, which is slated to be revealed at the L.A. Auto Show next week. The key information about the car is embargoed until next week, but we can tell you that it looks very promising. "
"The problem? As the Lincoln renaissance starts to gather steam, their idiotic nomenclature regimen is even more glaringly inappropriate. "MKS" has no connection with Lincoln's history, and frankly Ford doesn't have the ad budget to seed the moniker as a "prestige" nameplate in the luxury segment anyway. We're still waiting for Ford to make the right call on this one, since it looks like they're destined to blow it by dumping the "Flex" name on the American scene with their upcoming Ford station wagon/crossover. It shouldn't be that hard to see the light. Wait a minute, what are we saying? After all, we are talking about Ford here, with all of its attendant fiefdoms and bureaucratic silos well and truly present and accounted for. They've mishandled Lincoln for the last decade - why should we expect things to change now? "
This should be built alongside with the Ford Taurus and Taurus X, Mercury Sable in the Chicago plant, right?
Of course, I whole heartedly agree with Peter that the current naming convention is horrible. But that doesn't really affect if the MKS is a good product or not; it's more of a marketing issue.
The AWD will supposedly be RWD biased but no confirmation on that yet. Maybe the press release due next week will tell us.
And I think it will be built in Oakville (Ontario) not Chicago. Chicago will get the new Flex next year and most likely the Lincoln version of the Flex.
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The only slight disappointment is the 270 HP 3.7L base engine. Apparently the base chassis can't handle more power right now. That will be fixed when the Twin Force turbocharged engine debuts late next year so I expect we'll see around 300 hp from the 3.7L at that time.
I just built one on Lincoln's site - came up to around $42,000. Options add up fast. Pricing is about what I expected, though.
What about all the other features? Do you honestly think *most* buyers would care more about 30 hp than keyless go, rain sensing wipers, adaptive HID lights, etc.?
If it had 30 less hp and none of these other features and a cheap interior I might agree with you. I'm also willing to bet they tuned the engine for more power at lower RPM and better fuel economy - guess we'll have to wait and see on that one.
Options and prices are available on Lincoln's site and I think other specs (except the engine) are probably the same as the MKS concept that was shown in Detroit in 2006.
IMHO, it's a fairly nice looking car, outside. The interior not so much. It seems to me that most shoppers who sit in the mks and the cts will be giving the cts a big thumbs up. And the mks starts at $38,000? Isn't that a little rich for this class of vehicles? The cts starts almost $4000 cheaper. And it's RWD. And we only have to wait til "next summer" to buy the thing? Sept 20, that's still summer, eh? And then maybe a year later, it will finally get an engine? Isnt this deja-vu all over again - remember the Zephyr?
But I was especially impressed to read of Ford's caring attitude towards minorities. Having hired "Common" and "Juanes" to market the car to the African American and Hispanic buyers who "want and deserve luxury in their lives". Isnt that special? So when u buy your mks, remember that it's overpriced partly so Ford can pay megabucks to 2 "artists" nobody's ever heard of. Reminds me of when ole what's-his-name, the former parts guy,Daryl Hazel, who ran Lincoln for a few years in early 2000s. First thing he does when he takes over is hire Magic johnson to represent Lincoln. Big photo-op done to present magic with a $1,000,000 check from Lincoln. Anyone EVER see Magic Johnson representing Lincoln?
Well, good luck, Lincoln. You're REALLY gonna need it now.
"I'm also willing to bet they tuned the engine for more power at lower RPM and better fuel economy - guess we'll have to wait and see on that one."
Whishful thinking.....typical of ford.
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Lincoln is in trouble. Cadillac is not. Lincoln will sell a fair number of S's, but it is not an exportable car (too big at 203+"). How difficult would it have been to keep the length around the magic five meters for a premium export and still offer all the same room and features? It is just not good planning.
I don't know. I would love to be a cheerleader for FoMoCo again, but they gotta do better what with Hyundai, Kia, and now GM grabbing their market share. And don't forget the Chinese. Ten more years of this, and it could be all over for Ford, as some other giant buys it for the Mustang and F150 names.
And the CTS is far from ugly. It's a much better looking car inside and out than the mks and it's cheaper and it's RWD and u can get a manual and it oozes luxury, performance and style. I used to be a big Ford fan, that's fading fast. I dont think it will take 10 years for Ford to succumb. With the "new" stuff they're bringing out (starting to see the commercials for the new Focus - geez, how to screw up a free lunch on that one, plus they dropped two body styles) and their non-competitive engines both performance AND mileage are wors than the other guys (that's gotta take some work) AND they are totally clueless as to what their brands are spposed to be, ask anyone. I dont even think they want to sell me a car anymore. Lincolns are for minorities, Jags are for "alternative lifestyle" folks, Mercurys are for women. That leaves me with Ford I guess.
The only car they seem to understand is the Mustang. And with a flavor of the month Mustang, they continue to prove that. But with Camaro and Challenger due on the scene, that show will soon be in reruns.
Oh well, at least a rapper will make a million or two.
Considering the platform limitations, I think this is about the best that could be done until the MKR shows up on the RWD Huntsman platform.
Why are you guys totally ignoring all the new features? Hidden door keypad, front parking sensors, rear camera, keyless entry and start, adaptive HID lights, rain sensing wipers, manumatic shifting, etc. etc.
And that wonderful Cadillac engine only has 273 lb/ft of torque compared to 265 in the MKS, so don't count on the performance being that much worse.
Why not compare it to a Mercedes E350 and see how it stacks up.
I agree 100%. I kind of like the exterior styling, but that's what it seems to be: a decent car. In this class, it doesn't pay to be 'decent'.
I kind of agree that 30 hp doesn't seem like much, but believe you me, it is.
I hope ford is on schedule with the new V6. :P
Does anyone know the weight of the MKS? That will make a big difference in how it performs (accelerates, stops, and handles).
I noticed that the Lincoln site indicates that theengine output numbers are preliminary, indicating that the final figures for the 3.7 may be higher than the numbers now being published. I suspect the final figures will be more like 280 HP & 270 F-Lbs.
I also wonder if theMKS will require premium? I'll bet it will not, and if so, represents a significant savings compared to most compedting vehicles.
Lincoln MKS
I've read allot of people have been complaining that the MKS is only going to have 270-277 HP at launch. The rumor that I'm hearing is that a year after it's launch they are going to put the Twin Force 415HP engine in the MKS. Also, if you listen to the presentation. They say the MKS is going to start under $38.000 and it's bigger on the inside than the Lexus GS and Caddy STS
The weight is listed at 4127 for FWD and 4276 for AWD. Interestingly, it says 87 octane fuel but then it says "premium recommended." I think you may be correct that final HP and Torque figures may be better than initial numbers. I am not sure we know the whole story on the base engine yet.
GM insiders know that they have a minor NVH problem with the new 3.6 liter direct injection V6 fitted to the new CTS and STS. Frustratingly, they know it's a problem that can't be fixed; it's a design fault.......
So, do we want things fast or do we want things right? Another note: As Akirby has pointed out, anyone who compares the CTS with the MKS will have to notice that the CTS is a compact, interior wise, compared with the Lincoln. Apples and Oranges, folks.
One last thing: The specs say the MKS will have power tilt and telescope wheel. I was afraid it would have a lever similar to a farm implement like the MKZ. Thankfully, that will not be the case.
First off, I'm pretty sure it's not the CTS. The MKS is over TEN inches longer than a CTS. As far as I can tell this is not a sports car, or a sport luxury car. It is just supposed to be a luxury car. I would say it's competitors are the Cadillac DTS, Mercedes E-series (even though this car is the size of an S series) and maybe the Lexus GS.
This car will have to be judged on the interior and the ride. Not the acceleration or the cornering. Pictures can be deceiving, but I like the interior. The leather covered dash is nicer than what you would find in most of the competing cars, but that's just speculation. I think the only way to judge this car would be to sit in it. That's how luxury will be judged.
Not to beat a dead horse....but do you know what this means?
"GM insiders know that they have a minor NVH problem with the new 3.6 liter direct injection V6 fitted to the new CTS and STS. Frustratingly, they know it's a problem that can't be fixed; it's a design fault....... "
From what I've read, it just means that there is some noise that they couldn't get rid off. If you hear it when you are driving your CTS, then you must be one of those 'unique' customers..... :mad:
Considering the platform limitations, I think this is about the best that could be done until the MKR shows up on the RWD Huntsman platform.
Why are you guys totally ignoring all the new features? Hidden door keypad, front parking sensors, rear camera, keyless entry and start, adaptive HID lights, rain sensing wipers, manumatic shifting, etc. etc.
And that wonderful Cadillac engine only has 273 lb/ft of torque compared to 265 in the MKS, so don't count on the performance being that much worse.
Why not compare it to a Mercedes E350 and see how it stacks up.
I agree lets give the car a chance. BMW puts the 528i on the market starting at $46,500 with a 230 hp six and 200 lb feet of torque. Knowing the Germans I'm sure a 528i with a few options comes in over 50 grand before you can say boo. Now look, I fully understand that the BMW is 500 lbs lighter has the cache and the decades worth of engineering by it's German masters to handle like race cars. I get all that. Is it really that out of of wack for this MKS which looks very nice inside and out to come in in the mid 40's loaded with all the latest goodies? I don't think so.
My Favorite view
Some Interior pics.
The invisible key pad
Designer Video
All in all I think the MKS looks Amazing :shades:
If the base engine suits me, I look forward to parking a red MKS in the garage next to the Taurus. Everything about this car is working for me with the exception of the base powerplant - and I wonder there might be more to that story than we have seen.