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If Hyundai creates a luxury marque it won't be for some time.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I think in a decade or so the Hyundai, name could be mentioned in the same breath as Lexus, and Kia, could build a reputation to be mentioned in the same breath as Toyota.
Rocky
Possible.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I think Hyundai, will go slightly more up market in the future starting with the Genesis. I still think it will be a very long time before we see a $55K+ Hyundai
Rocky
-mike
The Azera is Hyundai's FWD flagship at the moment, but the Genesis will bump it down a notch in the pecking order. The Azera is slated to get the Sonata 3.3L V6 as an option (the 3.8L V6 is the only current engine), which would put in solidly in the mid-$20s range, while the top-end Azera would cost about as much as the base V6 Genesis in the $28-29k neighborhood.
Rocky
Rocky
Do they sell hybrids any where in the world ?
Rocky
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
http://www.hyundainews.com/Media_Kits/2007_Models/Azera/Press_Release.asp
Also, the Sonata will soon receive 4 cylinder option across trims, which would mean more choices for consumers
Rocky
* Azera Limited with Ultimate Package now features a 605-watt Infinity® Logic 7 Surround Sound AM/FM/XM/CD-changer/MP3 audio system with 12 speakers (including subwoofer) and external amplifier
*I guess the Genesis, is either getting this or a better version. I heard 7.1 surround sound :surprise: If that is true only the Levison from Lexus, has that capability.
Rocky
While on the subject, Hyundai is favoring more towards diesel options for NA, and I would agree with them. Latest news coming out of the Hyundai camp has them working to bring diesels in NA. Quoted saying about $1K option over the petrol version.
If you ask me, diesel > hybrid
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I agree, less likelihood of technology failure with the diesel.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I'll take a diesel, preferrably an Isuzu based diesel system any day of the week. It's funny the Duramax Diesel is actually Isuzu in the GMs.
-mike
63 MPG
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/roadtests/43126/hyundai_getz.html
According to the Hyundai UK web site the Getz gets 42.8 city and 60.3 highway in the diesel version. The gasser gets about 20% less.
I do wish they would bring that car here.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Don
-mike
The really big difference is they are drive by wire, and managed by a computer to a greater extent than your standard ICE vehicle (which today typically pretty computer controlled anyway), but I'd suggest this makes them more reliable, though a failure means they _might_ not be able to limp in for service. A well-designed, electronic system can be no more complicated (aside from the programming) than a mechanical system, but more precise and, especially compared to the mechanical cars of old, much more reliable. Sure, technically the computer is doing lots of things when, for instance, it switches from power to charge to regenerative braking, but the actual execution of it is really pretty simple, different but no more complex than an automatic transmission shifting while the engine accelerates or when the brake pedal is pushed and the mechanical brake mechanisms using friction, hydraulics and other components along with the downshifting transmission slow the vehicle down.
But there are ways they are less complicated. No serpentine belt, pulleys and other components to run the alternator (there is none), power steering, air conditioning. Just electric motors. And those motors will probably last the life of the vehicle. Ever lose a serpentine belt on the highway? Sure, cheap to replace if one fails, but I'd suggest a well-designed collection of electric/electronic components is more reliable than the combination of similar components driven by that serpentine belt (I don't have statistics here to back this up, just a hunch based on experience with standard cars and reliability of electrical/electronic components).
I'd really like to see statistics that back up the likely to break down statement. Anecdotally, after almost 2 years of driving the Highlander, and with friends who drive Priuses and a new Camry hybrid, my informal survey and personal experience says these are reliable, especially compared with my experiences in 35 years of driving any number of vehicles that were problematic. Yes, there have been reports of failures, but there are failures in all products, some design flaws but more often individual problems. The only recall I'm aware of for the Highlander had to do with an interior trim piece that could affect the accelerator - on hybrid AND ICE models.
Yes, the average driveway mechanic can't work on the hybrid components of hybrids, but with most vehicles being more and more computer controlled, you can't work on them, either, when it comes to the electronic components. But compared to the last 2 vehicles I've owned, I have a feeling the Highlander Hybrid will continue to be absolutely trouble free by 25000 miles while each of the last 2 had to have service for problems - and they were run of the mill vans that in the long run had significant failures in "proven" systems that ended up costing significant $$ and, with the last one, would have cost thousands more had it not been we bought the hybrid. Initial cost of the Highlander was higher than the ICE version, over the life of the vehicle our TCO will probably be similar to the ICE version, so overall it's a wash. But we'll also have saved about 20% of the gasoline an ICE version would have used, we will have polluted less, and our overall experience would have been similar with excellent reliability and comparable maintenance costs. Check with me in 10 years/150K miles and we'll see if I'm right, but I suspect the reliability of the hybrid components will be better than had we had an equivalent ICE vehicle, based on their being electronic rather than mechanical.
looking sexy hyundai genesis
Again these are all just my own opinion not based on any "facts" or stats.
To keep this on topic, I'd still like to see more diesels come over here, especially in a hyundai.
-mike
You may disagree but the facts present a different view. With a hybrid you have two separate power sources working to power the same set of wheels either together or each on its own. It is impossible to do something like that without it being more complicated than one power source. It requires more moving parts, the ability to shut off and turn on power sources automatically. Its far more complicated.
a CVT that has more than one drive component (the ICE and an electric motor that doubles as a generator) - which is different but not necessarily more complicated than any other type of transmission,
While the transmission itself is not more complicated the linkage to the two power sources are.
Anecdotally, after almost 2 years of driving the Highlander,
2 years is nothing, get back to be in 10 years when you have 200K on the car and shelled out $5k on batteries alone.
I suspect the reliability of the hybrid components will be better than had we had an equivalent ICE vehicle, based on their being electronic rather than mechanical.
But you see its not either ICE or electrical it is both. When you combine the two it becomes far more complicated than either one combined. your typical drivetrain on a Hybrid has more than twice the number of parts that a ICE engine has. You cant sit here and tell me that it is not.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2. The V8 better has well more than 300HP, it should be at somewhere around 330 - 350HP range. The V6 will be adequet at around 270HP.
3. Although it's most graceful looking Hyundai in its short history it is still a combination of rip-offs from other brands. Headlights from Acura, grill from Nissan, front facial from Lexus, side profile from Infiniti, tail lights from Aston Martin and tail profile from BMW. However, there is nothing wrong with that since the first LS was a complete rip-off from MB S-class anyway.
4. I would never buy this car since it's too big in size for my taste (mid-size is the largest I'll go, prefer something like 3er, IS or G). However, would I recommend this car to my friends/relatives? You betcha.
Let's face the fact that Hyundai can put anything on the MSRP sticker and then sell OTD $5k less. So they can sell it for anything they want as they attempt to get the attention of those they are targetting.
Could we admit that the loaded Azera, which sells nowhere near $30K is one of the bargains of the automotive world? The Genesis will follow suit. I guarantee that.
will be a great value.
When Lexus first came out, it was a true bargain compare
to BMW and MERCEDES. Now depending on which model, I don't
think they are bargains anymore. It took many years to
establish themselves in that segment.
For Hyundai, it's probably not right time to create a
second brand like Lexus or Infiniti. It costs lots of
money and those costs have to be passed on to consumers.
If Genesis project is successful, someday they might have
a second luxury brand.
In the near future, we might see some low-end cars from
China. It seems smart for Hyundai to capture different
market than just low to middle segment.
And competition is always good. If it wasn't for Lexus
or Infiniti, other high-end brands would be charging more
or come up with lesser quality vehicles.
The 3.8 V6 will push close to 300 hp. and the Geneses Limited will at first be 340-350 hp. Give them a couple of years and they will Twin-Turbo it to "M" POWER specs. :shades:
Rocky
A problem maybe. A BIG PROBLEM? No way.
This Genesis looks like its going to be the industry nightmare to all the other car makers
That's what they were saying about the LS400 back in 1990. MB looks to me are still doing pretty good these days. Of course, except the whole Chrysler thingy they got themselves into.
It's going to offer just about everything that mid to high vehicles such as Lexus, BMW, M-B, & the like offer
But with the Hyundai badge...
Hyundai's ever touted warranty of 10yrs. - 100k miles! Something none of the other car makers ever make a claim to
That's the case for Sonata vs. Accord/Camry/Altima as well. But last I checked, the Camcords are still the segment leaders in sales (Camry) and comparo (Accord).
Those higher end cars never tout a warranty of that length
Because they don't need such a warranty to sell.
-mike
Rocky "
it has already happened. we have one sitting out on our lot right now. it stickers for a little less than 25K.
from what i've been told, many older hyundai dealerships were just made from existing buildings. the dealership i work for is one of hyundai's premier buildings cause it was built for hyundai (and by hyundai). we opened in dec 05, and hyundai is pushing new dealers to build new if they want a franchise. so hyundai already "appears" to be upgrading their facilities.
As for the flagship Hyundai, it will be a Hyundai - not a rebadged Toyota (Lexus), Honda (Acura), or Nissan (Infiniti). Give Hyundai credit, at least they feel their product is worth it without having to launch a new division to justify and differentiate the flagship model. Of course, new divisions are only needed here in the USA (read into that what you will!).
The people at my local dealership claim that a pickup will be offered first.
One of the problems that Hyundai has and potentially will continue to have is the pronunciation of their name. Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Nissan, Volvo, Saab, even Ford, Dodge, Cadillac sound very similar in a multitude of (western) languages. I speak English, French, German, some Italian. Having a heck of a time with 'Hyundai' in a conversation in the non-English languages. That might be a hindrance in today's global economy. And the company logo of the italicized H is, well, it is close to the H for Honda.
If they want to go the luxury brand route, Genesis might be a pretty good name for it.... In just about any language (and it does give me some great musical flashbacks to my younger days...)
Mark