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I've decide to hold off the purchase for a few weeks. I am waiting to see if our Governator will sign a law authorizing hybrid to drive on CA carpool lane. I have 50 mile one-way communte, so if it passes, I am buying Civic Hybrid for now. If the law doesn't pass, I will buy GTO.
If you agree/disagree please post your thoughts. Thank you.
There are lots of folks who were holding off for an '05 who have decided to jump. The '05s were likely to be priced a little higher, and probably won't have much incentives or low finance offers. Factor in the $7-$10k less you'll pay for an '04 than an '05, and the fact that there 's a huge LS1 aftermarket (LS2 starts anew), you can get a hood and up the performance of your LS1, and still be $5k less than an '05 and with the lower finance rates, be way ahead. Plus you'll have the car now, versus December/January at the earliest.
--Robert
Now, if you're talking about an older Eclipse/Talon kind of coupe, I'd agree with your friends...
--Robert
The GTO merely has two front airbags.
I disagree with you on the '05. With a niche car like this I think the same type of deal will be available next year at this time (or sooner).
Just curious, you say "nearly 4000 unsold." With 5551 sold through August, are you saying they made less than 10K total for '04?
I believe you are confusing the $500 Instant Value Certificates that some dealer have limited amounts of to offer on most everything they sell that goes to the customer, as a "secret" dealer certificate that would allow the dealer to make so money.
31070.33 - 29618.70 = 1451.63
I understand the incentive for GMAC financing goes directly to the qualifying customer.
I understand there are $500 customer certificates. I understand there is a limit of $1000 applied for the benefit of the customer on any one deal. Many dealers have not been exactly forthcoming about their existence when asked.
I also understand that dealers like to play around with all these factors to arrive at and advertise a "GMS" price for anyone that walks in the door without doing a real GMS transaction with GM.
Explain how I'm wrong on any of this.
I think that most dealers are realizing that they can't ask for ADM on the GTO. Most will probably offer GMS pricing on the '05's from when they start selling, but GM probably won't have incentives and low finance rates on them initially. If they continue to build up inventories of cars early next year, maybe they'll add them. Who knows, the economy could be in the toilet again by then, so ???
I'm not disagreeing with your contention, I just don't think there will be deals comparable to the current ones for the first 3-6 months of '05 sales.
If you want a GTO at a great price, and can swing it, there's no better time to buy than now.
--Robert
Those "customer"certificates are news to me. I think I will ask about that Monday?
With only 79 miles on it after one day all I can say is this car is awesome! Fit and finish is excellent, materials are top notch, the shifter is so smooth and it is sooo fast. I could not be happier. I am not old enough to remember the original GTO so the styling is fine with me. Sure it is a little bland but maybe that will deter the police from noticing me. And sure the 05 with the LS2 will be a little faster, but no way will a deal like this be around for a while.
I'll write more later - so far awesome.
Do please post impressions, once you have 'enjoyed' a few more miles.
And - my $0.02 worth of advice: Don't count on the police not noticing you . . .
Cheers,
- Ray
Old enough to have lusted after the original GTO - and finding the current one interesting as well . . .
been enjoying it ever since. I have about 700 miles on it so far. I got the Auto because my size 13 foot would not fit between the clutch and
the wall after I shifted, so I opted for the Automatic. First automatic that I have had in 15
years. Couldn't resist it. After all was said and done, I bought mine for $27,500. I thought it was a great deal! I would think that finding one for
$25,000 would be hard to believe. But if someone
does, I would definately recommend buying it.
I love the power and the sound of the exhaust. It
is absolutely intoxicating. I was surprised to find out that the Blaupunckt radio really sucks.
I turned off all the automatic control stuff on it
and that seemed to improve it but I think they should throw something better in there next time
or at least add another 100 or 200 watts to it.
I have a problem with a compression/decompression
noise coming out of the dash when I apply the brakes. Took it to the dealer and he said that all the GTO's do the same thing. He said he called
GM and they said that sound is normal for a GTO.
Does anybody else have the same sound? Please let
me know. Maybe the brake upgrade next year will fix this problem. The brakes do feel pretty soft for such a big and powerful car.
Again, the dealer claims that all GTO's make this same sound. I have resorted to playing the stereo to cover the noise. Then i can't hear my pipes.
$3500 in incentives listed.
control. GTO's have performance BF Goodrich tires which are rated VERY poor for driving in snow. The car manual recommends getting
radial tires for winter driving, which I am certainly going to do. Obviously, a REAR wheel
drive vehicle with high performance tires will
handle like cr#p in the winter.
Yet, dealers can't move the car.
I am speculating the price will go down to $25,000 in the next several weeks. At what price point, GM will start loosing money on this car? Or are they already?
I don't see no difference with the 2005's as far as selling the car is concern.
STOP LOSS, GM. KILL the GTO.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Back in the day we used to consider radial summer tires sufficient for rwd drive cars in winter-- they were but only if the snow wasn't deep and the car had a roughly 50/50 F-R balance.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Vette sales dwarf what the '04 GTO has sold even at it's significantly higher price. Junk or not it's a popular choice.
Meanwhile, you're touting a gussied up 2-door Catera sporting the old Corvette engine. What a joke.
I like the GTO, but a GTO fan disparaging the Corvette is like Rosanne Barr's fan club criticizing Sandra Bullock for having big feet.
http://www.lafontainegmc.com/
look under the internet specials.
I for one commend GMs efforts for trying to bring high quality and high performance back to the US.
Problem with GM is they insist of putting the 2005 Corvete powetrain into a Cavalier look alike body.
I don't see why the 2005 GTO is any different as far as selling the car is concern. If you like the 2005 GTO, just be patient, time your purchase very well, most likely you can own it for 25 grand, more or less. With the looks of the GTO at 25k, bargain hunter will go for it.
I've said this once, I'll say this again,
"Who would pay thirty five grand for a Cavalier on steroids?"
I, too, would like to see the resurgence of the American Muscle Car. However, I differ with you because the present GTO is only a rebadged Holden Monaro, not good old Detroit iron. The GTO's of yesteryear are icons of the mid 60's and early 70's muscle car era in America. The present GTO is a fine example of European design. It should be named anything but GTO. IMHO, the GTO should be an American designed and manufactured vehicle. That would truelly be a step towards re-creating the American Muscle Car.