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  • obiwanobiwan Posts: 57
    In 1964, the general produced a unique motor car and started a whole new class of cars. The 1964 is quite unique in how plain it is and how it stands out from the rest of the GTO line. As it's style evolved, so did the rest of them.

    40 years later, the general is defining a whole new segment of cars with the GTO name. It's plain but it will evolve. Yet another reason why this car is every bit a GTO through and through.
  • Photos do not do the GTO justice. It is absolutely stunning in person.

    If it was just a new GM offering with no name on it, you wouldn't hear any cries of, "This isn't a REAL GTO!" The quality and finish are spot on, and the seats coddle you. I think GM has a world class high performance coupe, regardless of what you name it.

    Nice work, Aussies!

    P.S. The '05 Mustang GT, by the way, was quite a looker too. It made the '04 Mach 1 that was sitting next to it look like a shipping crate.
  • I wonder if this has happened to anyone else: Since doing all my research on the GTO and Holden Monaro, I have developed a greater interest in traveling to Australia. The country looks so beautiful in photos, and the people come across as wickedly funny (like the Brits) and down-to-earth (like mid-west Americans). My kind of people!

    The board of tourism in Oz should try to capitalize on the interest generated by the GTO. Maybe GM could offer "Homeland Pick-up," similar to BMW's European delivery program.
  • Well, a dealership here in South Dakota got the first GTO in the region. Torrid Red, black leather, automatic transmission. They gave me a call and I went to look at it Saturday. And of course, I took some pics for you all.

    The car is at Southtown in Worthing SD, AND THEY WOULDN'T LET ME DRIVE IT UNLESS I BOUGHT IT. Also, as you all can see, the price was marked up $3,500 over MSRP. Absolutely ridiculous. I told the salesman so, and he said it's the first GTO in the region, so they felt marking it up was fine in this case. He said any other GTOs they recieve later this year likely won't be marked up. Uh huh.

    Anyways, my impressions.

    The car is just as fine as it was when I saw it at the Dream Cruise last August and posted my pictures for everyone here to see.

    It's a sleek, well proportioned car in person. Pictures seriously don't do it any justice. Exterior gap tolerances are all very tight with the exception of the trunk lid, and nothing was misaligned.

    The grille and lower bumper are fiberglass, as is the wing and mirrors, the rest of the car is steel. The hood is especially heavy, which surprised me, it reminded me a lot of my Grand National.

    Under the hood is the LS1, the same as it looks in any other car that's had it. The GTO covers are thick, beefy plastic, they don't flex at all when pushed on. All the familiar GM accessories are there, like the AC Delco battery, Delphi stickers and so fourth.

    The trunk is very small, it should hold two medium sized suitcases, and perhaps a set of golf clubs, but nothing more.

    Torrid Red isn't the same red the GTO show cars were wearing. It isn't even dark. It's bright, in your face, ticket-my-[non-permissible content removed] red. It's practically flourescent. It's not metallic either, it's flat. I don't like it, I think the darker metallic red should have been offered. But at least the finish wasn't full of orange peel like it was on the GTOs I saw at the Dream Cruise.

    The doors open and close with a high quality thunk, but they don't have the heavy feeling of the old G-bodies.

    The interior of the car is wonderful. The leather is sumptious, the seats front and back are prefectly bolstered and comfortable the instant they grip you. Head and legroom in the back is exceptional. All controls are perfectly placed once you know where they are. The switchgear has a nice smooth motion with no clickety clacking, and they're soft coated to boot. The Blaupunkt system sounds incredible, much better than I thought it would and the separation is theatre like. The gauge cluster is awesome when lit. The gauges themselves glow white, flourescent white, not yellow-ish white, and they're very bright. The driver information windows are large, and easy to read and adjust.

    My minor quibbles are the gauge cluster faces should be offered in black with grey stitching on the wheel and shifter instead of red. Getting into the backseat is a chore too. You have to hold down a button to make the seats power forward, and the motors are *slow*. There should be a second speed to make them move faster.

    Otherwise, the car is pretty cool.

    Now, if only I could actually drive one. >:(
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,950
    If the color in your pictures is accurate (and my monitor is accurate), that looks more like a dark Hot Pink to me. Yikes!

    '18 BMW 330xi; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 47-car history and counting!

  • Those photos need to be color corrected -- that red isn't even close to what it looks like in person.

    I just saw the GTO at the Detroit Auto Show and it looked 100 times better in person, though I have a red car now, so I wouldn't get that color. I wish they had used the dark metallic red too.

    Thanks for posting the pics, though. Did you drink much coffee beforehand? :)
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 20,470

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • Remember when you could order any car in any shade?

    I have thousands of car brochures dating back as far as the 1960's, and you could buy a garden variety Plymouth in any one of about 24 colors. You name it: Four shades of blue, three shades of green, two or three shades of white/cream/ivory; Two yellows, merging into beige, copper, tan and brown.

    Yep, those were good times... with the exception of the crappy quality of the actual vehicle...
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,206
    Plus seeing the car, it really is a decent machine.

    I only have a few gripes. I was a little disappointed in the gauge cluster also but in the sense that there aren't enough. There should be gauges for the oil temp and batt voltage IMO. And that trunk, forget it. I'm thinking a couple of duffel bags, that's it. But in seeing the vehicle itself, there is more room in the engine bay than I thought since before I only saw pics of it in the mags. All in all, I think the car is decent.

    And unfortunately, that red is pretty close to what it is.
  • Where in the world did you get the idea that the 05 Mustang was going to cost more than the GTO? The Mustang will cost about 9000LESS. Did you just make that post up as you went along? Such silly attempts at misleading gossip is a big waste of time, and you should know better. Get the facts straight.
  • ezraponezrapon Posts: 348
    The salesman was speaking of the next generation 6.0 z06 engine coming next. Was a bit underwhelmed with the car in general, that, and the next model with the faster engine made it easy to keep my wallet in place. 3 in stock, 6-speeds miss the grand gas guzzler tax. They are getting full sticker. Stereo was better than SSEi or GTP. No on star, hud, sun roof, xm radio, a bit to spartan for me.
  • obiwanobiwan Posts: 57
    I pick it up tomorrow. Well, actually today since it's after midnight...
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  • We need a report ASAP! What did you order (color, auto or stick), likes, dislikes, plans to enhance or modify, dealer experience, etc.

    Mine was promised for February when I put my deposit down, now they're saying May-June!!!!!!!
  • Talk to a dealer last week, the new o5 which is suppose to have a retro look is going to be more, due to LOA.....
  • Ok, I want to post a picture of my GTO, how do I do it?
  • I do not know what LOA is, but I spoke with my local Ford dealer, and the price of the GT with auto trans and several other things will be 27200, plus TTL. That is a lot LESS than the GTO which the dealer wanted 38475 for. Ford dealer will sell at MSRP with no add ons and no customer rip off. Also, there is no l000 dollar gas guzzler tax on the GT Mustang, and it looks like the performance of the two cars will be so close that only instruments could spot any difference. The GTO has more power, but weighs a lot more than the GT Mustang, also, the Mustang is better looking and has seperated dual exhaust pipes which really look better than the two pipes stuck together on the GTO. There is a lot of money difference between these two cars with the nod going to the GT Mustang. Those are the facts.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,950
    GTO is not just about performance. If you want a BIG coupe with alot of v8 grunt, the Mustang ain't gonna cut it. But if you are just looking for an American V8 and don't care about anything else, then, yes, the Mustang is the hands-down better buy.

    '18 BMW 330xi; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 47-car history and counting!

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    first of all your photo has to have a URL and be residing on some host or another.

    Once you've got that figured out, you use this string, but use < and >, not the ( and ) that I have used:

    (img src=URLOFYOURPHOTO)

    that should do it.

  • Removing the spoiler should be a matter of two or four bolts or screws, right? Are the bolts/screws visible from the trunk hood? Of course the remaining holes would need finishing. Edmunds has a lot of spoiler info if you do a "spoiler" search.

    I ordered my GTO on Dec. 5. It was already inbound as a dealer issue. It's still not here (Western Connecticut) and I've not seen one yet. Maybe it's the weather. I figure I'll live another week or so if it doesn't arrive soon.

    Another GTO site is LS1tech. Not as good as this one.

    Thanks trishield for the pictures.
  • czkf1czkf1 Posts: 17
    Magnusan is working on an Eaton supercharger kit, for the 2004 GTO, so is Vortech, it will produce well over 425HP, easily. At least the GTO is cheap and easy to work on.

    So why is the trunk so small, on the GTO for such a big car? This car is 10 inches longer than a S4, but has half the trunk space and only two doors. The GTO is also 7 inches longer than a CLK55 & 50% smaller trunk. I guess the extra space is around the engine?

    In spite of all this, I might get one, the price is right and the GTO emblems are easily removed. Maybe I can put a Saturn emblem on it?

  • czkf1czkf1 Posts: 17
    The spoiler makes it look less stealth, but filling the holes could be costly, if one wanted to make it look clean.

    The only other problem with the GTO, other than what I mentioned, above, is the four speed automatic. The car really needs a 5 or 6 speed automatic, then they could get rid of the gas guzzler tax. I think Ford is considering a 5 speed auto on the mustang, but GM has not made any noise about creating a 5 or 6 speed automatic, which is unfortunate.

    Now if Ford had the 2005 body style mustang, with a Cobra engine, 5 or 6 speed automatic and the IRS, that would be a fun car.

  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,206
    In terms of the trunk, GM states it had to reposition the gas tank to behind the rear seat to pass the rear-crash testing standards, along with some other packing issues. I would think the same tweaks that apply to the f-body/corvette LS1 applications would have similar results in this one (cam, intake, rockers, throttle body, exhaust).

    FAST has 2 versions of a 2-piece intake that's really slick. Not only is it improved over the stock LS1, it has small notches in the lower half in the port area that allow you to open them up the ports on the intake and heads at the same time, allowing perfect port-matching. You basically bolt the lower half of the intake to the heads, make sure everything is straight and hit it. Again, this allows the ports of the intake and heads to be matched while the notches allow you to make sure you don't take away too much material. The intakes come in 73mm and 90mm throttle body openings. Add to this a Comp Cams bumpstick, roller-tip rockers, then re-reoute that exhaust so that there's a pipe on the left and one on the right and the tiger really would be in the tank.

    In terms of the trans, I haven't heard anything new about the GM/Ford five- and six-speed auto. I know back in late 4th quarter '02 and again in 1st & 2nd quarter '03, they were talking about a JV to make the 5 and 6-spd auto, especially since Ford has the industrial park in at the Torrence Ave. plant and that ZF has a facility there. Add to that the fact that Borg-Warner and SPX are here also and it kind of made sense, in a nightmarish sort of way. But again, haven't heard anything since early 2nd-quarter '03.
  • GM has already announced a multi million dollar investment to produce 6-speed automatic transmissions for cars and trucks. The transmission is to be built in one of their Michigan plants.

    Reason the trunk is so small, that is were the gas tank ended up.
  • A friend of mine wanted to remove the spoiler on his 02 Mustang GT, so we went shopping for a pair of flat red lights which would fit in the holes. We found these lights at a chrome shop for l8 wheelers, and they fit the holes perfectely, and they are hooked up to the brake lights. It works fine and looks like it came from the factory. It only took us 30 minutes to install these lights. They only stick up about one eight of an inch. There are several other kinds of little lights that were on display at the truck center, and I think that would be the way to go for only l4 bucks for the lights.
  • czkf1czkf1 Posts: 17
    On the 99 up Mustang, since it comes with (GT) or without (6cyl), one only needs to find a 6cyl deck lid, to completely remove the spoiler, with no holes to patch. I have done this on one of my previous mustangs.

    Since the GTO only comes with a spoiler, this solution is not as workable, unless one of the other pontiacs uses the same deck lid.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 20,470
    It's a Holden with no relationship to any existing Pontiac.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • obiwanobiwan Posts: 57

    Sorry about not posting for the last day or two. I've been having WAY too much fun in my new silver/black 6 speed GTO. :)

    First impression: HOLY COW THIS CAR IS [CENSORED] AWESOME!!!!!

    Second impression: HOLY COW THIS CAR IS [CENSORED] AWESOME!!!!!

    Third impression: The skip shift is really annoying. This thing corners like it's on rails. This car has way too much power. Wait. No it doesn't. :D These tires aren't going to last long.

    Build quality is superb. Materials are top shelf. The sound system is fantastic. Much better than the Monsoon system from the old F-body.

    I have several pictures arranged in a thread on another message forum. Can I post a link to that thread without getting my hand slapped by a moderator? ;)
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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,077
    Sorry, obiwan. The membership agreement says no. :(

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