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Incidentally, once broken in, this engine is surprisingly lively and never feels seriously out of it, the way a Camry 4 can often do. But of course the noise it makes in the process can never be compared to the easy power produced by the V6, which is why I'm leaning toward a 2001 EX V6 or an Acura CL/TL. Got to say that overall, this has been the best car for the money we've ever owned, and we've had nearly 50 cars over the past 38 years, including everything German and Japanese several times over.
-Trevor
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Hi,
First off: welcome to Edmunds! I'm not sure why you hid your post, usually people hide them if they are posting pictures or wandering off topic and yours was definatly on topic.
Anyways. $1000 wouldn't be completely out of line. List price for the items alone is $768.00 so install on top of that would probably take it up close to the $1000. If you can get them installed for the $600 you mentioned then by all means do! I'd think closer to $750-800 would be a good/fair deal, but that's no reason not to start at $600.
-Trevor
Anyway, I am pretty happy with the car so far. Although I have not driven much; have not "broken in" yet.
Anyway, looking forward to drive the car more often on weekend. I wanted to see if fuel mileage improve past the "break in" period, or first oil change. So far, I think my average mpg is probably in the high 16-18 mpg range. Of course, this is strictly city driving. I try not to treat the car too harsh before the first 600 miles, that means avoid freeway driving during this time.
Out the door price for the new car (trade not involved) was $22,026, including moonroof visor and floor mats. Traded the visor for chrome tips on the dual exhausts. Looks great.
What changes are in stock for the '01 's which will be available in a month or so?
http://www.vtec.net/news/items/437.html
The EXV6 also gets a 6-CD changer in the dash, traction control, and power passenger seat. There now is not much to close the gap to an Acura TL except the 5-spd automatic and the memory seats [which the TL will get for 2001]. Makes it even harder to justify the price difference in my mind...
I will give you an example. My Hyundai only has 92 hp and accelerates slowly with the AC engaged. I have tried to pull out fast from a dead stop and the car just bogs down and accelerates like it has an anchor attached to it. As soon as I shut off the AC switch, it's like a turbo kicks in and the engine revs with much less restriction. If what you are saying is true, I should not experience this bogging because the AC compressor should know I'm asking for more power and shut itself off. Like I said, there is no way for it to know you are asking for more power, because it does not have a computer chip talking with the rest of the car's engine control unit. It is controlled solely by a temperature switch. Hope this helps the confusion surrounding this topic.
Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to explain the details.
Jrct9454 the only exception to the wheels is on the Coupe V6 which comes with a 16 inch wheel and uses a P205/60 R16 91V. Always glad to try and help answer questions.Have a good day....see ya
http://www.vtec.net/news/items/155.html
The 6 disc cd-changer and power passenger seat is realy nice, but the Navigation system would be great also.
Even with this, a TL is still worth buying since a TL has a bigger and more powerful engine, better transmission with 5 speeds and sport shift, 4 year warranty, Acura service and prestige and heated seats.
One change that's appealing is the noise reduction. If you're a type who likes quiete ride, then it may worth it, although the supposed change may just be a marketing hype. When I first bought mine, I thought the noise was excessive (hey I used to drive a buick), but now I actually began to enjoy its more aggressive ride.
On the negative aspect of the change: I saw the picture of it, and I thought it wasn't better looking. It looks more like camry (sedan) or pontiac sunbird or something (coupe). I like the face of the current accord a lot more. Those added two lines on the face make the car look cheap. What were they thinking? Anyway, what do you guys think of the new look?
--terminalis
BTW, any info on the possible price increase?
The local dealer is clueless, as always - most of his sales people hadn't even seen the official press release that we all have access to. And of course, they want to sell what they have, so all questions about timing are answered vaguely and pessimistically. My prediction: look for the first shipment of 2001s in early September, right after Labor Day [or maybe even sooner].
I think the volume of changes caught the dealers a bit by surprise - as mid-life fresheners go, the 2001 Accord is fairly unusual for Honda...I think everyone expected the usual flurry of new colors and wheels, and not much else. But the new Camry will be out in 12 months, and with the next generation Accord more than 24 months away, they apparently felt the need to do a bit more this time. I'm looking forward to an early test...
-Trevor
I noticed a lot of little marks (like made from various color magic markers) on nuts, bolts, etc.
There is even a red mark on the yellow foam oil dipstick handle. Does everyone have these marks? Any idea what they're for? Maybe some kind of quality control thing? Like maybe some quality control guy checks all these nuts/bolts/etc and puts a little mark on them. That would be pretty impressive!
On the other hand maybe they're for the assembly guys ... insert bolt with red mark into hole with yellow mark!
Just curious.
Averaging 75MPH on freeway: 34MPG
Freeway and city driving: 30.7MPG
Averaging 75MPH on freeway (with head wind): 33MPG
This is pretty common across all car makers these days. What is less common is the fanatical attention to detail that Honda and Toyota [in particular] lavish on the whole "production engineering" question. They correctly recognize that real, repeatable, quality is much more a function of thoughtful details on the assembly line than grand design or PhD level workers. One of the reasons they are more reliable, for example, is the progress they've made over the years in designing electrical connectors that snap together easily on the line, don't corrode, and don't come apart in service. These days, with computer-aided design tools, there is no excuse for designing a car that is a bear to assemble, and thus a bear to get right - yet the domestic makers are still doing this regularly. The other big factor in assembly quality is carefully choosing your suppliers and helping THEM with their quality and processes, again an area where Honda and Toyota have it all over everyone else in the business.
Thanks Again!!
My experience is that the EPA ratings are very close to the real world range for most people - but it will take awhile for your car to be returning the optimum in both power and economy.
1) Any recent prices paid by fellow Canadians for same model?
2) Stereo seems a bit sub-par. In old posts, I noticed talk of changing speakers to improve. Has anybody changed just the rear speakers and if so did it help? If it helped, what did you put in? What about putting in a new stereo, has anyone done that on a 98-00 model?
3) I find the leather driver's seat a bit stiff (especially on the sides). I'm 6' and 250lbs so not the smallest driver out there. Will the seats "break in"? Did anyone else start off feeling this way but find they are happy now?
The build date on this car is 05/00 so I'm hoping I'm clear of the tranny issues!
Thanks for any answers you might provide.
Looking forward to your comments.
Is the Price of 19,338 excluding tax a good deal on Greenlight.com for a 2000 LX V6 Auto?
Also does anyone know where I can see a picture of the 2001.
thanks a lot
And finally, Honda will not be abandoning manual transmissions for the 4s any time soon; in fact, as the decade wears on, look for 6 spds to become the norm. However, the CVT will gradually become available as an automatic option [the latest CVT designs are really excellent - Audi will be releasing one on the next A6 model, and Nissan is doing a lot of work here too...every manufacturer is involved], with 5-spd automatics becoming universal by mid-decade on any car that doesn't use a CVT.
Frankly, the 5-spd, shiftable automatics offered in Lexus, Acura, BMW, MB, etc. are much more useable and are so robust that they really obviate the need for a clutch pedal. On top of that, Toyota will be bringing 6-spd sequential shifting to the MR2 shortly [paddle shift, no clutch, similar to Ferrari, F1 racing designs, etc], and I expect this approach to become universal over time. If you really think you need a clutch pedal to be happy, you may have to search far and wide to find one in another 10 years. There is just no need for a third pedal to control gear shifting...
And I categorically reject any argument that this preference is some kind of litmus test for either car enthusiasm or for that matter, driving skill. Having done more than my share of competitive driving, I don't have anything to prove there, either. I respect the opinions of those for whom this is really important - it's just not that important to me these days, because the alternatives are so reliable and easy to live with. I'm about as "intimate" with the occupants of my garage as my spouse can stand, as it is...
I am a manual transmission lover. I personally feel you have more control over the car.
But I have a Question, I am thinking of getting an 01' Accord Coupe EX-6 to replace my currant 97' Accord SE. The 01' Accords have color keyed grills, I wonder how it would look if I cromed the top og the grill, I have seen another 6th gen Accord around town with this, it looks good, what do you guys think?
I don't like gold kits either but some people do!